Rocks 1,809 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) It's not likely Terrorfuji wins here let alone in May. He's never won 14 in a basho which will probably be needed here. He's only ever beaten more than 1 yokozuna in the same basho once and that's was when he was already out of contention for the yusho. He will need to beat at least 2 here and probably all 3. Oh wait, he won't face Harumafuji. Edited March 23, 2017 by Rocks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakura 1,495 Posted March 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, Rocks said: It's not likely Terrorfuji wins here let alone in May. He's never won 14 in a basho which will probably be needed here. He's only ever beaten more than 1 yokozuna in the same basho once and that's was when he was already out of contention for the yusho. He will need to beat at least 2 here and probably all 3. He only has to face 2 out of the 3 yokozuna. Instead of Harumafuji he gets Kotoshogiku. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,037 Posted March 23, 2017 59 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: Y1w Kakuryu (8-4) could lose out. He has Ow Terunofuji (11-1) on day 13; Y2w Kisenosato (12-0) on day 14; Y1e Harumafuji (9-3) on day 15. He would then finish 8-7 in a basho without Hakuho and Goeido. Y2e Harumafuji (9-3) could also lose out. He has Y2w Kisenosato (12-0) today; S1e Tamawashi (6-6) on day 14; Y1w Kakuryu (8-4) on day 15. He would then finish 9-6. I don't quite get what exactly you were trying to point out here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,276 Posted March 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: I don't quite get what exactly you were trying to point out here. Clearly, during the harumafuji kakuryu match, the dohyou might collapse under the combined tears of yokozuna. Everyone knows that if the rikishi cause the dohyou to collapse, it's an automatic loss for both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: I don't quite get what exactly you were trying to point out here. Responding to the question about Kakuryu and/ or Harumafuji being forced to retire. Edited March 23, 2017 by Bumpkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philioyamfugi 378 Posted March 23, 2017 Kotoshugiku needs to worry about his KK If he want to continue. Should be interesting next few days, see if Kisenosato can win out with Terroriofuji on his heals. Hokotofuji still KK possible, couple of good wins. Takarafuji had a fast start, hope he gets his KK. Ura and Ishura down to the wire too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,037 Posted March 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: Responding to the question about Kakuryu and/ or Harumafuji being forced to retire. I still don't get it. Does anyone really think that a yokozuna will be forced to retire just because they fail to get their eight? Besides, the question above was based on Terunofuji's hypothetically getting the rope after the next basho. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,037 Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Philioyamfugi said: Kotoshugiku needs to worry about his KK If he want to continue Why should he? Ten is the magic number, and if he fails to do so, Sekiwake or Komusubi won't make much of a difference anymore. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Philioyamfugi said: Kotoshugiku needs to worry about his KK If he want to continue. He's likely to get his KK, but that's not what he's aiming for. Will he want to continue as Sekiwake? Edited March 23, 2017 by Kuroyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,809 Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, Kuroyama said: He's likely to get his KK, but will he want to continue as Sekiwake? I think if he loses to Shodai he won't even finish the basho. He'll announce his intai right away. I wonder if they would even allow him to do that and give Terrorfuji the freebie on Day 14 or make him go through the motions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,037 Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rocks said: He'll announce his intai right away. I wonder if they would even allow him to do that and give Terrorfuji the freebie on Day 14 or make him go through the motions. "They" may be able to do many things, but forcing a rikishi to not retire isn't one of them. Quite on the contrary (see Konishiki). (my last snark for today, promised) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,809 Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah, but It's only 1 day. it would factor in huge for the yusho and he has his kabu to worry about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, kassidilla said: Would the NSK more or less force Kak or Haru out? This is the question that I was responding to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,590 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: This is the question that I was responding to. But your answer implied that it's somehow connected to them missing specific win totals in a single tournament, and that's not how it works at all. This isn't The Apprentice, and the YDC isn't going to go "By the way, You're Fired!" with no prior warning. Edited March 23, 2017 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shatsume 118 Posted March 23, 2017 A bad day of sumo for my favourite champions :( I am new to this analysis side of sumo, but I have a horrid feeling that Teru could get the Yusho. I don't like his sumo, but there is no denying that he is a complete beast that can win from losing positions. To me it seems that Kise is losing his Zen like auro and may end up bottling it in the last 3 days (I hope not!) and Takayasu has proven beyond doubt that he is a very strong Jnr champion, but does he have the ability to do the job of an Ozeki and test the Yoks? (I hope so, but the 2 losses were quite decisive...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Asashosakari said: But your answer implied that it's somehow connected to them missing specific win totals in a single tournament, and that's not how it works at all. This isn't The Apprentice, and the YDC isn't going to go "By the way, You're Fired!" with no prior warning. Yokozuna are supposed to get at least 10 wins. Both Kakuryu (5-6-4) and Harumafuji (4-3-8) dropped out of Hatsu. Both are in danger of having less then 10 wins in Haru. Wouldn't they both be on the hot seat in Natsu? That is what I was implying. Edited March 24, 2017 by Bumpkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highway 46 Posted March 23, 2017 Terunofuji, what's behind his crazy drastic performance transformations? I know injuries can zap you of everything, including strength, but the past few tournaments it was like Terunofuji with some hidden kryptonite around his neck, to normal super strong Terunofuji now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amamaniac 2,079 Posted March 24, 2017 Today (Day 12)'s Terunofuji vs. Endo bout spoke volumes. The fact that Endo had a 3:1 record over Teru reflected the fact that Teru has been struggling with his knee injury ever since the 2015 Fall Tournament. But Terunofuji seems to be back in a big way, this tournament. To be fair, Endo fought well managing to get a morozashi on Teru. But despite being right back against the tawara, Teru used his brute strength to virtually lift and carry Endo back into the centre of the ring, and then drop him down with an abisetoashi. He not only showed Endo who's boss, but also sent a message to Kisenosato... "Get ready for me. I'm coming." In his bout against Takayasu, Harumafuji showed fans why he is a Yokozuna. He dominated the once yusho-hopeful with his speed and technique. Bouts like that are so impressive, even if your Sumo Forum name isn't Amamaniac. In the second half of this tournament, Isegahama Stable sure seems to be sending a notice to Tagonoura Stable. They aren't just sitting back and letting the new kid(s) on the block walk away with the Emperor's Cup. While Harumafuji is basically out of contention at this point, he can definitely help his stablemate, Terunofuji, by defeating Kisenosato tomorrow (Day 13). If he fights like he did today, the odds are very good. A Kisenosato loss on Day 13, would seriously heat up the race, ... as long as Teru gets by Kakuryu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 159 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, MumboJumbo said: They have looked pretty similar at times. This made me think of how it was almost looking like a bit of a rivalry was forming between them. Their first few bouts of 2015 were pretty great. Two mizuiri, plus another bout where Terunofuji became extra angry (for Teru standards) and decides to shove Ichinojo's face a bit after the match is over. Now poor Ichi has a bad back and maybe some mental thing going on, so they don't get matched up too often anymore I go after Ichinojo so hard because there's no excuse for him not to be somewhere atleast at the top of the Maegashira. We already know what he's capable of when he's fully into it and we know what he looks like when he's lost in space. It's maddening to watch. If he's that injured then he needs to take off. Whatever salary he loses out on, he'll make up when he comes back and wins a tournament. I just don't get it. If I were a coach, I would have been embarrassed at some of his performances and refused to let him compete, because it makes the coach look bad. Edited March 24, 2017 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,276 Posted March 24, 2017 This basho Wakaichiro is moving his feet like an American Football player and it is really bizarre to see on a dohyo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tiger Tanaka 226 Posted March 24, 2017 Tough road for Kotoshogiku, he was looking good at 6-2, but 3 out of the last 4 have been losses and now he must win out, including against terror. Speaking of Terunofuji, his strength has been down right scary this basho. Endo put up a great fight, but watching Terror pick him up and force him down like that was just impressive. When does he face Kise, day 14 or 15? Harumafuji has really looked back to his yoko self with his last 2 matches. In fact, winning 8 of the last 9 is a nice little run and could set him up for a 10-11 win basho. Wonder if some additional rest will allow him to be a basho contender in May, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) Kise lost to Harumafuji and injured his shoulder (collarbone?) in the process. The first real test for him this basho... Edited March 24, 2017 by kuroimori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gijo 27 Posted March 24, 2017 Terunofuji has the potential now to win the yusho. Very bad news for the new Yokozuna. As always, he can't be just perfect... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mihasan 13 Posted March 24, 2017 Looks like Ternufuji yusho to me, Kisensato seems quite badly injured... What a turnaround. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted March 24, 2017 this tragic turn of events makes it so much easier to keep everyone happy terunofuji can cruise to a yusho, losing to kotoshogiku in the process kotoshogiku easily can get his 10 kakuryu gets double digits with a fusensho and a win against harumafuji harumafuji already has his 10 so everyone is happy but kisenosato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
