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Ichinojo's back must be acting up again. His last 2 bouts have been a joke. He basically walked out of the ring. Too bad as he started out strong.

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Also great win for Kisenosato. The Kise of a year ago probably loses that match. Takyasu handled a tough Ikioi well but he looks like he's tiring a bit.

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4 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Kise finishing Shohozan like that is the definition of a "bitch slap" ending. And the boxer was Hozumi Hasegawa, who was the concurrent world title holder of three weight classes until his retirement last December.

Concurrent...?

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8 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Ichinojo's back must be acting up again. His last 2 bouts have been a joke. He basically walked out of the ring. Too bad as he started out strong.

He gets referred to as lazy but if you throw your back out half way through a basho there is no way up from there. If is his back is as bad as reported I don't think Ichinojo will ever reach his full potential, which is a massive shame. Poor guy

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Takayasu is looking for at least 12 wins here, that way he can get his Ozeki run goal down to the minimum 10 in May. 

I, however, am looking for the same-stable zensho playoff.

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As far as I can tell, Kisenosato and Takayasu are the first pair of stablemates to be unbeaten after Day 8 in almost 43 years (in cases where only two rikishi were unbeaten). The last time seems to be the 1974 Natsu basho, when Mihogaseki-beya duo Kitanoumi and Masuiyama started 8-0.


A bit further down the ranks (and a bit easier to check with a query), Meisei improved to 5-0 with a win in Juryo against Asahisho, and looks good for a return to that division. Since the start of the seven-bout era in 1960, he is the 8th rikishi to earn his 5th win on Day 8, and the first since Ushiomaru in the 2005 Natsu basho.

(Late edit in italics.)

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1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Concurrent...?

He held them at the same time but perhaps that term is not applicable?

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On 3/16/2017 at 17:16, Philioyamfugi said:

So looks like giku couldn't drive that right knee up then slipped. Kisenosanto doing yokazuna sumo.

 

1 hour ago, Philioyamfugi said:

Good win for Kotoshugiku... Not a good tachia , loose grip but kept his cool and won.  Great matchup tomorrow against Kisenosanto !

Is this a nickname or just a coincidental misspelling?

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1 minute ago, Naganoyama said:

Is this a nickname or just a coincidental misspelling?

Maybe he's reached sainthood?

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My dad has been keeping up with sumo albeit a bit slowly this basho, but he brought up an interesting theory as to why Hakuho pulled out when he did. He believes that Hakuho decided to stick it to the big boys and the Judging department when they didn't give him the benefit of the doubt with a torinaoshi in the Ikioi match, so why bother trying to struggle through the rest of the basho.

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5 minutes ago, Naganoyama said:

 

 

Is this a nickname or just a coincidental misspelling?

As in " I saw mommy Kisenosanto Claus" ..... Just a bad speller actually 

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5 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

He held them at the same time but perhaps that term is not applicable?

He didn't hold them at the same time, see here.
 

12 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

As far as I can tell, Kisenosato and Takayasu are the first pair of stablemates to be unbeaten after Day 8 in almost 43 years. The last time seems to be the 1974 Natsu basho, when Mihogaseki-beya duo Kitanoumi and Masuiyama started 8-0.

Do you mean as the only people to be at 8-0? There are more recent tournaments in which the two stablemates were part of a larger group.

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6 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

My dad has been keeping up with sumo albeit a bit slowly this basho, but he brought up an interesting theory as to why Hakuho pulled out when he did. He believes that Hakuho decided to stick it to the big boys and the Judging department when they didn't give him the benefit of the doubt with a torinaoshi in the Ikioi match, so why bother trying to struggle through the rest of the basho.

That's would be an expensive lesson, for Hakuho. He left a lot of kensho on the dohyo doing that.

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Kaisei got lucky being paired against a clearly struggling (with injury?) opponent in Ichinojo.  With 2 losses and having sat out 5 bouts, Kaisei essentially has to win all his bouts from here on.  One win down, seven to go.

Tamawashi got unlucky in his bout versus Takekaze, who clearly did not drop both hands before the tachiai (shame on the referee for not catching such an obvious infraction).  Hatakikomi can keep wrestlers honest, but that doesn't apply when the one dishing it out doesn't play by all the rules.  As top Sekiwake, Tamawashi needed to keep his win count growing.

The bout between Takayasu and Ikioi was a cracker.  The crowd really got behind Ikioi (a hometown boy) and Ikioi gave it his all.  But Takayasu was patient, and he seems to be on a mission.  He was the first to get his kachikoshi in this tournament, whereas Ikioi hasn't won since defeating Hakuho (nor did he win prior to that).

As a fan, I have to give Harumafuji props for his win against Takanoiwa.  Going straight to the left-handed uwatenage straight out of the tachiai caught his opponent off guard.  Haru has clearly changed tactics, and is no longer employing the throat push in his initial charge - as some of you have already noted.  The spectacular techniques that Haru employs, however, run the risk of further injury for him (and others).

Kisenosato looked very much in trouble against Shohozan, who got a low, inside morozashi.  But Kise fought back and somehow managed to break free and slap Shohozan down to the dirt.  That was a close call.

Seeing his bout today, Terunofuji looked even stronger than ever.  He may not win this tournament, but he could spoil things for Kise as the tournament winds down.  Takayasu has already defeated Teru, whereas Kise has yet to face him.  Could Teru open the door for a Takayasu yusho?  I guess we will just have to see.

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4 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

 

Kaisei got lucky being paired against a clearly struggling (with injury?) opponent in Ichinojo.  With 2 losses and having sat out 5 bouts, Kaisei essentially has to win all his bouts from here on.  One win down, six to go

 

I think his goal is to get 3-4 wins which should keep him out of Juryo. I doubt he'll get them but he may get a couple more gifts. 

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Quick thoughts on today:

- Kisenosato had a nice comeback today for the win but had bad form. Shohozan got under him and made him stand straight up, where you can't really do much else but go back. Kise hit like a power palm strike and knocked him down.

- Terunofuji looked strong today and he just has to keep on winning. I think he has a very good chance at taking down Kisenosato when they likely meet up on Day 13 or so.

- Takayasu took the win in a close one today and I thought his weight advantage was the difference maker here. Also did think Ikioi had a chance or two to get a better grip but didn't take it.

- Ura's match was a wild one today as he played matador to Kotoyuki's bull rushes. Never been a fan of those as anything but a direct hit puts you at a disadvantage.

Tomorrow:
Kisenosato vs Kotoshogiku - Koto has a 3 win edge in their series. Really the only highlight match on a slower day.

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9 minutes ago, rzombie1988 said:

Tomorrow:
Kisenosato vs Kotoshogiku - Koto has a 3 win edge in their series. Really the only highlight match on a slower day.

Yes, does Kise go all out or help a buddy? Takekaze and Ikioi are both not doing well but they also have significant win advantages against Takayasu and Terrorfuji. Those could get interesting.  

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1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Do you mean as the only people to be at 8-0? There are more recent tournaments in which the two stablemates were part of a larger group.


Yes, I was only looking for two stablemates as the only leaders, but should've included that in the post. Thanks.

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10 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Yes, does Kise go all out or help a buddy?

Huh? He will definitely not hand any victory to anyone, he is going for a zensho yusho if he can help it -- the clearest signal of his deserved promotion that he can give.

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16 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Yes, does Kise go all out or help a buddy? Takekaze and Ikioi are both not doing well but they also have significant win advantages against Takayasu and Terrorfuji. Those could get interesting.  

Don't forget. Kotoshogiku defeated Kisenosato in January. That was Kise's only loss. He wants revenge. And zensho.

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Not to mention that Kotoshogiku also had multiple untimely wins 3-4 years ago when Kisenosato was first going for his hatsu-yusho and yokozuna promotion, and also beat Kise six times in a row (!) back in 2011 right while Kise was trying to put together the needed wins to ascend to ozeki. Outside of Hakuho (and Kise himself, I guess) nobody has been as detrimental to Kisenosato's advancement over the years. Hard to believe the newly-minted yokozuna will be in the mood for favours. But of course, as the aforementioned stuff shows, Giku has always been a dangerous opponent for him, and even two ranks apart it wouldn't surprise me too much if he beats him again.

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New Yokozuna Kise seems to be growing into the rank as each day goes by. Checking his results, he's only had two 8-0 starts as an Ozeki prior to last year, but four 8-0s since then. It would be nice if he's able to go on to win the Yusho this time as well, guess we'll see.

Meisei's looking good atm down in Makushita, back in Juryo for May?

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By the way, who was Kise's second dohyo-iri attendant today in Shohozan's stead?

Edit: Ah, found Kagayaki in the pictures thread.

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1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

But of course, as the aforementioned stuff shows, Giku has always been a dangerous opponent for him, and even two ranks apart it wouldn't surprise me too much if he beats him again.

If Kise gives Giku the moro-zashi like he did to Shohozan today, he's toast. It will probably all boil down to how far Giku leaves his feet behind at the tachi-ai.

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Fingers crossed five times over, but if this showing of Terunofuji's is a sign of things to come, we might have five yokozuna n the near future.

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