Frakazu 22 Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) Congratulations to Kisenosato I consider that the promotion of Kisenosato is right and deserved. If Kisenosato had not been promoted he would have been the ozeki with the best average in sumo history. His winning percentage is higher than well-known great ozeki like Kaio, Tochiazuma, Takanonami, Takanohana (father). His percentage would have been even better than many ozeki who achieved the promotion. Among these the most notable would be Harumafuji and Kakuryu. Rikishi Bouts W L % W 21 Kisenosato 463 329 134 71,06 22 Tochinoumi 145 101 44 69,66 23 Tamanoumi 300 206 94 68,67 24 Harumafuji 319 214 105 67,08 25 Kakuryu 180 119 61 66,11 26 Kitanofuji 315 208 107 66,03 27 Kotokaze 323 213 110 65,94 28 Baruto 202 133 69 65,84 29 Kirishima 215 139 76 64,65 30 Takanonami 553 357 196 64,56 31 Kotozakura 446 287 159 64,35 32 Konishiki 542 346 196 63,84 33 Wakashimazu 395 250 145 63,29 34 Tochiazuma 333 208 125 62,46 35 Kaio 852 524 328 61,50 As Ozeki, in 31 tournaments, he produced a single make-koshi (2004-1) and 24 double-digit kashi-koshi; And got, as we know, 11 jun-yushô and the yushô that decided its promotion to the rank of yokozuna. Kisenosato has been a solid, consistent ozeki; And that is the main reason for its promotion. I believe that there are well-founded arguments to think that he will be a good yokozuna and that he will not discredit the yokozuna rank. Complet list of winning percentage, Promoted and no-promoted ozekis (since 1958) Spoiler Rikishi Bouts W L %W 1 Chiyonofuji 45 38 7 84,44 2 Asashoryu 45 38 7 84,44 3 Wajima 60 50 10 83,33 4 Takanohana 165 137 28 83,03 5 Hakuho 90 73 17 81,11 6 Akebono 45 36 9 80,00 7 Kitanoumi 45 36 9 80,00 8 Takanosato 135 106 29 78,52 9 Wakanohana 152 119 33 78,29 10 Kashiwado 105 82 23 78,10 11 Taiho 75 58 17 77,33 12 Futahaguro 60 46 14 76,67 13 Wakanohana II 120 92 28 76,67 14 Asahifuji 255 194 61 76,08 15 Hokutoumi 75 56 19 74,67 16 Asashio 160 118 42 73,75 17 Musashimaru 486 356 130 73,25 18 Sadanoyama 242 176 66 72,73 19 Wakanohana III 377 274 103 72,68 20 Onokuni 195 140 55 71,79 21 Kisenosato 463 329 134 71,06 22 Tochinoumi 145 101 44 69,66 23 Tamanoumi 300 206 94 68,67 24 Harumafuji 319 214 105 67,08 25 Kakuryu 180 119 61 66,11 26 Kitanofuji 315 208 107 66,03 27 Kotokaze 323 213 110 65,94 28 Baruto 202 133 69 65,84 29 Kirishima 215 139 76 64,65 30 Takanonami 553 357 196 64,56 31 Kotozakura 446 287 159 64,35 32 Konishiki 542 346 196 63,84 33 Wakashimazu 395 250 145 63,29 34 Tochiazuma 333 208 125 62,46 35 Kaio 852 524 328 61,50 36 Kiyokuni 381 234 147 61,42 37 Hokutenyu 623 378 245 60,67 38 Takanohana 702 424 278 60,40 39 Yutakayama 502 301 201 59,96 40 Chiyotaikai 861 515 346 59,81 41 Mienoumi 304 180 124 59,21 42 Asashio 497 294 203 59,15 43 Tochihikari 319 188 131 58,93 44 Daikirin 321 189 132 58,88 45 Kotooshu 642 378 264 58,88 46 Dejima 171 100 71 58,48 47 Kitabayama 430 251 179 58,37 48 Asahikuni 290 168 122 57,93 49 Kotomitsuki 245 141 104 57,55 50 Kotoshogiku 446 255 191 57,17 51 Wakahaguro 180 102 78 56,67 52 Goeido 222 125 97 56,31 53 Musoyama 334 186 148 55,69 54 Kotogahama 337 185 152 54,90 55 Kaiketsu 135 70 65 51,85 56 Masuiyama 88 44 44 50,00 57 Miyabiyama 115 57 58 49,57 58 Terunofuji 140 69 71 49,29 59 Matsunobori 201 99 102 49,25 60 Daiju 62 30 32 48,39 Edited January 29, 2017 by Frakazu Correction 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rigel 62 Posted January 28, 2017 Yeah, that 1st dohyo-iri was pretty rough, but he just started learning it yesterday so it'll definitely get better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,901 Posted January 28, 2017 German FAZ posted a video from the dohyo-iri, but at the end they got some facts wrong. They say he was the first japanase in 10 years to win a basho... http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/traditioneller-sport-wieder-ein-japaner-als-sumo-grossmeister-14771829.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,809 Posted January 28, 2017 On 1/25/2017 at 19:37, Akinomaki said: He always said "sumo first" - the reporters are speculating that with the rope he also gets the confidence to go for the girls Asian tiger parents syndrome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) I always wondered about where Kise's real home was, Takeshi's 7days had some info: He was born in Ashiya-city, Hyogo, and since the age of 2 lived in Ryugasaki, Ibaraki. In 2nd year middle school his parents moved to neighboring Ushiku, but he continued to go the same middle school in Ryugasaki. After graduation there he entered ozumo. Ryugasaki has a substantial claim to declare the new yokozuna a son of their city. I wonder if Ashiya will begin to claim him as well some day. Yesterday he reported the yusho at a primary school near the heya location, Tokyo's Edogawa-ward Kyodo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gXg6uoEqMY from NHK news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbE2w_xBXBo - a little girl said that after a handshake now she can't wash her hands anymore an interesting part from the news about him with focus on kesho-mawashi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3uun2Y6fps Baruto was guest Edited January 29, 2017 by Akinomaki 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted January 29, 2017 At the Meiji shrine some 5000 vouchers for the entrance to the main area, where the dohyo-iri took place, were handed to the visitors - the numbers given are those who came to the shrine and tried to watch, not those shown in the videos. The papers published many yokozuna related statistics (only the numbers not in Japanese of course), all mixed in the overviews. The Meiji shrine dohyo-iri apparently started with Chiyonoyama, but the data here: http://www.sanspo.com/sports/photos/20170128/sum17012805010005-p3.html only list the number of spectators since Wakanohana I - with the boutlength of the dohyo-iri I entered the number of visitors in a partial table from the DB no shikona debut yok.promot. intai visitors 72 Kisenosato 2002.03 3.2017 18000 71 Kakuryu 2001.11 5.2014 3300 70 Harumafuji 2001.01 9.2012 3000 69 Hakuho 2001.03 5.2007 4300 68 Asashoryu 1999.01 1.2003 2010.01 3000 67 Musashimaru 1989.09 5.1999 2003.11 3800 66 Wakanohana 1988.03 5.1998 2000.03 15000 65 Takanohana 1988.03 11.1994 2003.01 20000 64 Akebono 1988.03 1.1993 2001.01 4000 63 Asahifuji 1981.01 7.1990 1992.01 3000 62 Onokuni 1978.03 9.1987 1991.07 3000 61 Hokutoumi 1979.03 5.1987 1992.05 5000 60 Futahaguro 1979.03 7.1986 1988.01 3000 59 Takanosato 1968.07 7.1983 1986.01 1000 58 Chiyonofuji 1970.09 7.1981 1991.05 10000 57 Mienoumi 1963.07 7.1979 1980.11 2000 56 Wakanohana 1968.07 5.1978 1983.01 5000 55 Kitanoumi 1967.01 7.1974 1985.01 5000 54 Wajima 1970.01 5.1973 1981.03 4000 53 Kotozakura 1959.01 1.1973 1974.07 6000 52 Kitanofuji 1957.01 1.1970 1974.07 2000 51 Tamanoumi 1959.03 1.1970 1971.09 = 50 Sadanoyama 1956.01 1.1965 1968.03 6000 49 Tochinoumi 1955.09 1.1964 1966.11 2000 48 Taiho 1956.09 9.1961 1971.05 3000 47 Kashiwado 1954.09 9.1961 1969.07 = 46 Asashio 1948.10 3.1959 1962.01 5000 45 Wakanohana 1946.11 1.1958 1962.05 8000 44 Tochinishiki 10.1954 43 Yoshibayama 1.1954 42 Kagamisato 1.1953 41 Chiyonoyama 5.1951 other interesting ones: A table of the yokozuna from Kitanoumi to Kise with tsuna length and -weight, height and weight at the time, promotion basho and dohyo-iri style: http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/img/oh20170127kisenon3-w500_2.jpg The 15+1 4 yokozuna eras so far, in the last 100 years, with how many basho they lasted: http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1770257.html Only 2 times it were 10 or more Chiyonoyama, Kagamisato, Yoshibayama and Tochinishiki 14 basho Kashiwado, Taiho, Tochinoumi and Sadanoyama 11 basho 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsubame 356 Posted January 31, 2017 On 27.1.2017 at 15:22, Tsubame said: I have a question regarding our newest yokozuna: Does he already have his own Tachi for the dohyo-iri ceremony? Or do he borrowed a sword from an other yokozuna? Or did he just used a mock-up (empty scabbard with hilt) unless he got his very own? Has no one an answer or got the question just lost? So I quote myself in hope of an answer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) On 27.1.2017 at 13:36, Akinomaki said: On 25.1.2017 at 15:55, Akinomaki said: Kisenosato will get the first citizen's honor award of his other hometown Ryugasaki-city, where he went to the school which has the Kise museum room that is always shown lately. His parents' home is in Ushiku-city. Of course he also gets the citizen's honor award of his real hometown Ushiku-city, And next is the Ibaraki prefecture citizen's honor award - the ceremony is on the 9th when he'll be at the governor's office for a visit. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20170203/sum17020312530004-n1.html His local koenkai each day gets about 10 new members lately - it has about 1050 now. And Kise goods have sell-outs one after the other. http://ibarakinews.jp/news/newsdetail.php?f_jun=14860470845518 next out of stock is this "Dosukoi! Ushiku's Kisenosato" happi Edited February 3, 2017 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) On 27.1.2017 at 13:36, Akinomaki said: On the 18th next month he will have a parade in Ushiku, 1.5km from the station to the city hall. The poster for Kisenosato's parade http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/local/ibaraki/news/20170203-OYTNT50211.html as pdf on the city's Kisenosato page (with a load of pics): http://www.city.ushiku.lg.jp/page/page001213.html the route Edited February 4, 2017 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted February 9, 2017 On 3.2.2017 at 20:07, Akinomaki said: the Ibaraki prefecture citizen's honor award - the ceremony is on the 9th when he'll be at the governor's office for a visit. and it was big in the news again Kyodo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhLNyG02C18 Ibaraki shimbun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAXZKYv2lt0 from NHK 5p.m. news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rdmprOe-MQ it was even live on TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiwdeQmU1k o o o o o o o o o o o o o he also was at the Ushiku city-hall with his parents etc. NNN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVM73V2Eob8 o o recently he was guest commentator at an Ame-foot TV broadcast o a new Kototsurugi designed towel on sale next basho o 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whtbox 10 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Akinomaki said: o He got nice taste on Watches, looks like "Richard Mille" watch he is wearing. Edited February 10, 2017 by whtbox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,478 Posted February 10, 2017 I love that towel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted February 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Benevolance said: I love that towel. John going to do a group order for us? LOL 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted February 10, 2017 I'll buy one if they're still available in May. It's a nice design. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) More from the prefectural honor award ceremony in Mito-city o! oo ooo oo o o o o o o I fear that my favorite Mito natto may get more expensive: sales are expected to rise even more with Kise as the face for the region o and then in Ushiku-city o oo and a visit to the company of the head of his Ibaraki koenkai in Tsukuba o o the design for the traditional giant 1ton kids' day (5.5.) kite in Zama-city, Kanagawa: Ki from Kisenosato with -fuu for wind/style (from Taifuu(n) or e.g. Wafuu - Japanese style): the Kise wind is blowing in Japan oo KONISHIKI and others comment on the birth of a home grown Japanese yokozuna o o Edited February 11, 2017 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,809 Posted February 16, 2017 How long will does it take for the new Yokozuna (even for one as popular as Kisenosato) to get his first set of kesho mawashi for him and his attendants? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, rhyen said: How long will does it take for the new Yokozuna (even for one as popular as Kisenosato) to get his first set of kesho mawashi for him and his attendants? Longer if no-one believed he'd make it after the basho. Each hint of a new set will surely be all over the news - I expect he'll have 1 set ready for the basho. Like the yusho congratulation banner had been lying around for more than a year, complete plans to order his set must have been simply waiting to get handed to the maker. Edited February 16, 2017 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) Kisenosato is the mago-deshi (deshi of the deshi/disciple of) the dohyo devil (oni) Wakanohana I - and used his oni kesho-mawashi set for the dohyo-iri. Nikkan showed a calligraphy of Waka I, that fits perfectly for Kise. He liked to write that combination, but it's hard to read for a foreigner and even more difficult to understand the meaning behind without further explanation. Waka-I liked the older form 氣 of ki 気 (which is my favorite kanji by the way) - it's the left part, but with an elongated "tail" - and on the right we have hara 腹 belly, but fallen down. This stands for 2 phrases, part of a set of some more: ki wa nagaku - with long ki, which means patiently working for the long term goal hara wa tatezu - belly not rising - not getting upset by or angry about things and people The first shisho of Kise, Takanosato formed him in this same way. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/1783191.html Edited February 24, 2017 by Akinomaki 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,663 Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) Now, don't get me wrong. I've 'liked' your post because I like informative stuff, but in my woefully inexperienced case "hard to read for a foreigner" comes across as a massive understatement. Try substituting "hard" with "almost impossible"! I can make out the hara kanji rotated 90º anti-clockwise, but only because you said it was "fallen down". The ki bit therefore has to be the remainder, but it took me ages to match the elements to the printed version in your post text. It's a totally different shape! I'd always assumed Japanese calligraphy was on a par with English copperplate or German Sütterlin script, designed to minimise the personal idiosyncrasies that appear in more casual handwriting, an art form that takes years of practice to master. On the above evidence rikishi are more like British doctors when it comes to handwriting: the more illegible the better! Edited February 24, 2017 by RabidJohn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottyJoyJrBebe 97 Posted February 24, 2017 Let me be the (I think) first to predict that Yokozuna Kisenosato will win the Haru Basho. I kept silent all last basho, as not to jinx it, and it finally paid off. I wont get into scores (just yet) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted February 24, 2017 No way. Hakuho will yusho. 14+ wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted February 24, 2017 Kisenosato is a Yokozuna! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,478 Posted February 25, 2017 And he's a gosh darn better yokozuna than Goeidou! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,809 Posted February 25, 2017 16 hours ago, RabidJohn said: I'd always assumed Japanese calligraphy was on a par with English copperplate or German Sütterlin script, designed to minimise the personal idiosyncrasies that appear in more casual handwriting, an art form that takes years of practice to master. On the above evidence rikishi are more like British doctors when it comes to handwriting: the more illegible the better! So much tongue in cheek, have fun deciphering these without reading the post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,771 Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) On 29.1.2017 at 15:00, Akinomaki said: I always wondered about where Kise's real home was, Takeshi's 7days had some info: He was born in Ashiya-city, Hyogo, and since the age of 2 lived in Ryugasaki, Ibaraki. In 2nd year middle school his parents moved to neighboring Ushiku, but he continued to go the same middle school in Ryugasaki. After graduation there he entered ozumo. Ryugasaki has a substantial claim to declare the new yokozuna a son of their city. I wonder if Ashiya will begin to claim him as well some day. The other 2 cities gave him the citizens honor award, and they both compete to claim him their son - but Ashiya is simply his birthplace and in Japan can't really claim him as a citizen, so they gave him the Ashiya mayor's special award. The mayor lived on the same floor in the same apartment house - but that was destroyed by the great Hanshin-Awaji quake. Kise has no recollections of the time there, but feels he has "the image of a celebrity." The city plans to hoist yokozuna promotion congratulation banners at the city hall, the station and 3 other places. http://www.kobe-np.co.jp/news/sports/201703/0009967501.shtml the award from the mayor Edited March 7, 2017 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
