Kaikitsune Makoto 100 Posted August 6, 2004 Maybe Chirac knows this site too already but haven't seen this advertised anywhere yet and this site is very good source for Kyokai hierarchy info! Original Rijicho initially compiled oyakata gallery but Tamanaogijima offered to take over and has since updated the gallery significantly and added a lot of stuff in a great format so this is a must for every sumofan. http://www.seisa.de/oya_index.html General kabu info Updated income levels in Kyokai List of all oyakata Oyakata galleries: current and former Inactive kabu. Changes in kabu! Added the link to "Essential sumo links"-thread in Pond too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faustonowaka 33 Posted August 6, 2004 Very interesting site indeed! (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 100 Posted August 6, 2004 http://sumo-germany.de/index.html Meikenonami's new site. Lot of photos of Futeno, good prospect Onishi and others! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamanaogijima 350 Posted August 7, 2004 Wow, thanks! :-P I haven't announced it yet, that's right. The little perfectionist inside me didn't want me to announce it until it was... well, perfect! Despite the PHP works, I don't like it too much, because it isn't "beautiful" yet. The mathematicial in me wants to simplifiy it as much as possible. The URL isn't great either, but in some days it should be oyakata.seisa.de, hopefully. (The German sumoforum and the mailing list will have to wait until that at least.) But I'm happy that you like it already. Next project will be a kabu-timeline to look up fast how the kabu changed hands (and purses (Laughing...)) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoshidango 0 Posted August 11, 2004 Cool! Very informative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Araiwa 0 Posted August 11, 2004 (edited) Nice site! By the way, this seems to fit in here. The earliest rijicho I know was Dewanoumi, the former Yokozuna Tsunenohana. I wonder who was it earlier because there are no infos available of rijichos before. Or were there no real rijichos because there were two sumo kyokais? So maybe someone here knows an answer. Edited August 11, 2004 by Araiwa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamanaogijima 350 Posted August 13, 2004 (edited) Now it's official... The Oyakata Gallery has moved to oyakata.seisa.de The other link still works, but leads just to yet another link ;-) Updated: The "kabu babu" around Miyagino-kabu. Also Updated: Some photos. Without the help of Gernobono, Hananotaka, Jonosuke, Kaikitsune, Kintamayama, Kotoseiya, Nekonishiki and Yubiquitoyama this project may have never been realized! Big thanks, guys! @Araiwa: You're probably right. The Nihon Sumo Kyokai's first Rijicho was Tsunenohana. Before that the NSK didn't exist but the two Sumo Kyokai in Osaka and Toyko. Btw, could you send me the list of the Rijicho? I have seen one once, but can't find it any more. Edited August 13, 2004 by Tamanaogijima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 3 Posted August 13, 2004 (edited) Now it's official...Btw, could you send me the list of the Rijicho? I have seen one once, but can't find it any more. Note that there were of course leaders of the sumo organization (rather, there was the Osaka and Tokyo organizations before they merged just after the start of the Showa-era 1926) even before it became the Kyokai, but the organization was different. I know Takasago Uragoro, Hitachiyama and Umegatani-2 were among the later leaders of the previous Tokyo-zumo organization, but I have no exact dates. As for rijicho, Tsunenohana was the first rijicho who was a former rikishi, but not the first rijicho. A list was provided by Takayama Kazuhisa on the English Sumo Mailing list not too long ago. I only made one change below, namely changing the japanese transcription Takayama-san used to the one we normally use on the forum. The original post can be found at http://www.banzuke.com/04-2/msg00531.html 1) Hirose Masanori (army lieutenant general): 1928.01-1938.09 Edited August 13, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted August 18, 2004 This just occured to me (well, some month ago, but *now* I'm back from vacation...). Shikoroyama-oyakata (ex-Terao) and his big bro Ozutsu-oyakata (ex-Sakahoko, right?) are both heya-mochi oyakata, ie. they own their own heya/stables. Has this ever happened before? And while we're at it, could someone name other oyakata brothers, heya-mochi or not, in the vast history of Ozumo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torideyama 18 Posted July 6, 2005 Now it's official...2) Fujishima Hidemitsu (former Tsunenohana) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeokage 0 Posted July 6, 2005 Isn't the seisa.de site where UDH is held? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,056 Posted July 6, 2005 Isn't the seisa.de site where UDH is held? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Correct. This is another one of Tamanaogijima's personalities. He certainly has more in store. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 14,674 Posted July 6, 2005 (edited) I was wondering if anyone knows the circumstances of Dewanoumi Hidemitsu's attempted suicide. Edited July 6, 2005 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wanchanyama 0 Posted July 6, 2005 The year 1957 was the only on in sumo history in which there were five hon-basho (official tournaments). For 1957 the Kyushu basho had gained official sanction and toward the end of the year the Nagoya basho gained sanction as an official tournament also' date=' although there had been a full 15 day tourney in 1957 and probably previous years also. This expansion in the number of official tournaments was not to everyone's liking and Dewanoumi Rijicho had attempted suicide during the year in protest to the inclusion of the Kyushu basho and other issues.[/quote']I suspect the "other issues" played a bigger role than just this disagreement, though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> An article on the suicide attempt from 1957. http://www.juryo.com/newspaper/1950/19570505.htm You will find some of the events leading to this in early 1957. http://www.juryo.com/newspaper/1950/1957.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 3 Posted July 6, 2005 (edited) Wanchanyama's article collection ( (Clapping wildly...) ) covers it of course, but for the short answer, this is what Clyde Newton wrote: ... Dewanoumi would probably have continued to hold the post of Rijicho for the rest of his life had it not been for a dramatic sequence of events in the spring of 1957. An opposition party representative brought up the question of alledged improprieties in Sumo in the Diet, and several of Dewanoumi's old rivals or enemies in the Sumo Kyokai testified. Dewanoumi's administration was chastised for it's autocratic policies and changes in the time-honored regulations and customs of the Sumo Kyokai were demanded. The aging Dewanoumi found the demands for change unacceptable and his predicament unbearable. He attempted to commit ritual Seppuku in his office at the Kokugikan, but fortunately he was discovered in time and rushed to hospital. He resigned from his post as Rijicho on May, 1957, to be replaced by Tokitsukaze (Futabayama). Dewanoumi recovered fully from his suicide attempt and he was given the post of Sodanyaku (advisor) in the Sumo Kyokai. Edited July 6, 2005 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites