What happened with Homarenishiki?

[maorencze 144]

1 hour ago, robnplunder said:

I detest bullying in any environment.   I was just reinterpreting (and agreeing) what the previous posters implied.  That is, Turbold wouldn't have been bullied b/c he was a top dog in his beya.  I understand some here are big fan of Homa and can/will react to a post that they see as an attack on Homa's talent, character, etc..   Oh, well.

Then my apology is doubled, sorry for misunderstanding.

And, well, to be honest, not sure about his circumstances but Homarenishiki being a surefire sekitori seemed like a stretch to me too. Then again, my opinion about his qualities was based on those videos as well, so it probably holds merit just "as is", i.e. as subjective opinion of individual sumo fan.

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4 hours ago, maorencze said:

And, well, to be honest, not sure about his circumstances but Homarenishiki being a surefire sekitori seemed like a stretch to me too. Then again, my opinion about his qualities was based on those videos as well, so it probably holds merit just "as is", i.e. as subjective opinion of individual sumo fan.

Well put.  Some thought he had great potential & hard work ethic to make it.   Of course, I can't attest to those and can only go with the available videos which were not impressive.   

 

On bullying in general, I believe that if one allows himself to be bullied once, he will likely be bullied again, and again.   Bullies (cowards they are)  will move on to an easier target if one fights back.   

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3 hours ago, John Gunning said:

Just to pick up on one point. Turbold may have had the highest banzuke rank in the stable but generally that means nothing when everyone is makushita or below. Seniority there goes by time in the stable not rank. He might have been makushita but everyone else there was still his ani-deshi. 

As pointed out though he came through Nichidai (and Johoku HS before that). Those two places rival anything you'd see physically in a stable and having grown up in the Japanese sumo system he was well able to handle himself.

 

 

Slight tangent, but does a Makushita tsukedashi enjoy the (relative) privileges of the rank like everyone else who’s climbed that high or does he still have to clean the toilets, use the bath last and wear geta like he’s just joined at the bottom?

Edited January 9, 2019 by Eikokurai

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4 minutes ago, John Gunning said:

It varies by heya but shin-deshi are shin-deshi regardless of where they are first ranked on the banzuke. Turbold was the lowest person in the stable when he first joined (despite his high banzuke position) and expected to do the jobs that come with that. Certain stables confer certain privileges like owning a phone when someone reaches sandanme or makushita while other allow all (or no) lower rankers the same perks.

Interesting. I feel this should be spun off into a new thread because I’m sure plenty of others have similar questions. I’m curious what happens if a Makushita tsukedashi never makes it to sekitori and remains chronologically the most junior rikishi for years. It’s possible, right? All the Jk/Jd/Sd guys below him could stick it out forever but never surpass the Ms guy on the banzuke. How long, I wonder, does the Ms have to put up with being their junior, particularly if the heya doesn’t recruit anyone else for a while? There must come a point where he’s ‘served his time’ so to speak. 

[Kaninoyama 1,785]

Along these lines, I had been wondering what happens in terms of heya status to someone like Toyonoshima, who went from an elite sanyaku rikishi to losing his sekitori status due to injury but persisted onward in his sumo career.

Did his status within his heya likewise take a tumble during that stretch until he regained his juryo rank?

[Bumpkin 438]

I believe there is a, "once a sekitori, always a sekitori", rule regarding heya status in ozumo.  

[ryafuji 814]

Really? I recall reading on the forum that Yamamotoyama resumed chanko duties when he fell from sekitori rank and Satoyama became Baruto's tsukebito again when he fell back to makushita. (although maybe that was because Onoe was a small heya with several sekitori who needed looking after).

[Katooshu 3,221]

I have seen several former sekitori back on tsukebito duty (e.g. Chiyotoori, Daishoho when he was back in makushita after a 5-10, Sakigake) and former juryo Masakaze is on chanko duty at Oguruma. Incidentally,at Oguruma Tomokaze was still a tsukebito to Yoshikaze even after juryo promotion.

It could vary by heya though.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Katooshu

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7 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Tomokaze was still a tsukebito to Yoshikaze even after juryo promotion.

This is a mutual agreement between the two sekitori. It is far from normal.

[maorencze 144]

 

Is that Brodi on this video? Anybody knows how old is this? Date of publishing on YT is Oct 2018 but it sure can be older. If Oct 2018 is correct though, it would seem like Brodi has gotten back to sumo, amateur at least.

[Bumpkin 438]

Yes that is Brody before he entered Ozumo. 2014, I believe.

Edited January 27, 2019 by Bumpkin

[maorencze 144]

6 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Yes that is Brody before he entered Ozumo. 2014, I believe.

So it's much older then, not exactly Oct 2018. Thanks for helping, though it's not the good news we'd probably like to hear, it's good to know.

[sumojoann 1,264]

This same video was originally uploaded to Youtube on July 21, 2014, with the title "The 10,000 Calorie Sumo Wrestler Diet" by Munchies.  It was Season 1, Episode 1 of a new series, Fuel, dedicated to the high-performance diets of athletes.  Yes, that was Brodi way back then.

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11 hours ago, maorencze said:

Is that Brodi on this video? Anybody knows how old is this? Date of publishing on YT is Oct 2018 but it sure can be older. If Oct 2018 is correct though, it would seem like Brodi has gotten back to sumo, amateur at least.

I wouldn't be too surprised if he stayed doing it as an amateur, but then again I wouldn't be too surprised if he gave it up completely given what he went through.

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On 06/01/2019 at 13:06, sumojoann said:

As Kishinoyama stated above, Brodi, (who goes by the name Brodik Henderson on Facebook), posted a memory in March of last year from March of 2015.  Under a photo of him with the other rikishi of his heya taken in Osaka is a caption.  It reads in full, "Night out with the Nishikido Boys!  Great time with good friends".  However, above the photo is his quote from March 5, 2018 --- "Good times with some of the worst most racist hateful stupid cowardly humans I've ever met in my life".  One of the commenters asked for the story behind the comments and another commenter said if he (Brodik) would write a book about his time in Japan, he would buy it.  Brodik did not reply to the comments.  This is the closest I have heard about what happened and it's from the horse's mouth.

He never continued with sumo in any capacity

 

On 06/01/2019 at 13:06, sumojoann said:

As Kishinoyama stated above, Brodi, (who goes by the name Brodik Henderson on Facebook), posted a memory in March of last year from March of 2015.  Under a photo of him with the other rikishi of his heya taken in Osaka is a caption.  It reads in full, "Night out with the Nishikido Boys!  Great time with good friends".  However, above the photo is his quote from March 5, 2018 --- "Good times with some of the worst most racist hateful stupid cowardly humans I've ever met in my life".  One of the commenters asked for the story behind the comments and another commenter said if he (Brodik) would write a book about his time in Japan, he would buy it.  Brodik did not reply to the comments.  This is the closest I have heard about what happened and it's from the horse's mouth.

Sorry, I don't know how to multi-quote, but to respond to the previous post about whether Brodi ever took up sumo again after he left Japan, the answer is "no".  (See my previous post above).  Nothing on his Facebook page indicates any involvement in sumo.  He has moved on.

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5 hours ago, sumojoann said:

Sorry, I don't know how to multi-quote

There's this little plus thingy at the bottom left of each post, which will trigger the function. (At least within a proper browser on a proper computer with a proper OS, so I can't speak for mobile-fruit-animal-hunting-combos.)

Edited January 28, 2019 by yorikiried by fate