Basho Talk - Kyushu Basho 2016 ** (SPOILERS)

[Rocks 1,810]

You can win by luck. Happens all the time.  How many matches does someone who was dominating the match accidentally slip and fall to lose? My point was I don't think the judges thought Ishiura deserved the win and the replay was close enough for them to ask for a redo.

[rhyen 1,858]

Sato wins Juryo outright after beating Seiro and Oyanagi drops his match with Chiyoo.

[Rocks 1,810]

Wow, Sato got the juryo yusho. Good for him.

[Rocks 1,810]

All 3 Makushita rikishi facing juryo won their bouts. Deciding promotion is going to be very complicated.

[Asashosakari 20,279]

The NSK page has gone totally wacky today - in every division it displays the 7th bout of the schedule as an alleged playoff. I guess they tried to kludge the jonokuchi playoff into the Day 15 page and completely messed it up.

Ironically, the Sumo DB has picked up the sandanme playoff from the NSK page, but failed with the one in jonokuchi.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Asashosakari

[robnplunder 978]

IMO, Tochinoshin threw the match to Gagamaru.   If it weren't for Tochinochin, Gagamaru would be sent to Juryo.   There is no way Gagamaru could beat Tochinoshin at this basho.

 

Yeah, Yoshikaze!   Nice comeback from 1st half of this basho.   Satoyma and Yoshikaze remind me how hard it is to make a living by sumo.   

Edited November 27, 2016 by robnplunder

[Dwale 419]

Oh my god, that little hoppity-hop bit with Terunofuji and Takayasu...it looked like they were dancing! XD

[Kintamayama 47,323]

Lost in the basho hubbub:

Kisenosato jun yusho. Alone. Incredible.

Kakuryuu wins the yusho with a two win margin. Incredible.

One Makuuchi kyujo (on senshuraku) the whole basho. No Makuuchi hyphenated records. Wow.

Not a single Juryo rikishi visits Makuuchi the whole basho. But I repeat myself..

Edited November 27, 2016 by Kintamayama

[kuroimori 1,634]

Kisenosato is also the first to claim the the title "most makuuchi division wins in a calendar year - without winning a yusho.

Not sure he likes that record though...

The NHK commentars mentioned that - and other trivia facts during today's broadcast (long after it was brought up here on the forum in the trivia thread )

[YoungSumo 93]

Looks like Kisenosato will be in line for a Yokozuna promotion once again. There should be no worries about his consistency, if only he could get a yusho. 

The guys that impressed me the most this basho are probably Tamawashi and Arawashi. Little to no buzz surrounding them but both of them did really well. Kakuryu and Shoudai are also hard not to praise for their performances. I'm not sold on Ishura yet, he had a great debut but I feel like Hokutofuji showed overall better sumo.

[SumpaX 23]

19 minutes ago, YoungSumo said:

The guys that impressed me the most this basho are probably Tamawashi and Arawashi. Little to no buzz surrounding them but both of them did really well. Kakuryu and Shoudai are also hard not to praise for their performances. I'm not sold on Ishura yet, he had a great debut but I feel like Hokutofuji showed overall better sumo.

Yea... Tamawashi blew me away! Arawashi surprised me, his best performance so far, last time he had double digits was 2 years ago. I like it! 

I am sad tho that haru couldnt take it ; /

[kumoryu 97]

21 minutes ago, YoungSumo said:

Looks like Kisenosato will be in line for a Yokozuna promotion once again. There should be no worries about his consistency, if only he could get a yusho. 

I'm struggling to see how that was a yusho-equivalent. It looks like a pretty standard jun-yusho, but two off the pace at 12-3 doesn't seem equivalent to a yusho AFAICS.

[Akinomaki 41,845]

11 minutes ago, kumoryu said:

I'm struggling to see how that was a yusho-equivalent. It looks like a pretty standard jun-yusho, but two off the pace at 12-3 doesn't seem equivalent to a yusho AFAICS.

Maybe we should stop thinking about it as yusho-equivalent and say it is what comes just after the yusho - but because I don't translate, I won't say that this is a better translation of "yusho ni junzuru".

[ryafuji 825]

1 hour ago, kumoryu said:

I'm struggling to see how that was a yusho-equivalent. It looks like a pretty standard jun-yusho, but two off the pace at 12-3 doesn't seem equivalent to a yusho AFAICS.

I always thought you had to be in contention for the yusho on senshuraku for it to be a yusho equivalent. The fact that the yusho was decided the previous day counts against him too. 

[Dwale 419]

Well, it was a hell of a ride. Not much to say beyond that. Congratulations where it's due. Ishiura had better train like his life depends on it unless he wants to spend next basho getting served like an hors d oeuvre.

It has been fun, guys. See y'all next year. Peace.

[ALAKTORN 346]

9 hours ago, robnplunder said:

There is no way Gagamaru could beat Tochinoshin at this basho.

That’s not really a thing in sumō. Any random doofus can beat a yokozuna on a lucky day.

I think Ishiura won’t have much success in hatsu, as long as his opponents study his bouts from this basho anyway. I don’t really know much about Mainoumi, but that style of wrestling doesn’t go far.

I’m surprised Hakuhō managed to pull off 11 wins, good for him. That tsuppari at the end was cool to watch, I didn’t know he even had that in his arsenal.

Am I the only one who thinks Chiyoōtori has gotten fatter? I remember when he was impossible to hatakikomi, and now his balance seems bad.

[The Fat Cyclist 39]

What A fun basho. I am delighted to have been proved wrong by Tochonoshin. I do wonder if he  was injured for the first few days.

[Benevolance 2,534]

I am happy that Goeidou restored my faith in his abilities. 

[Kintamayama 47,323]

Regarding Kisenosato's tsuna run, the judging department is saying this:

Nishonoseki head of the department:"  A high-level yusho will give him the promotion. He had the most wins in a year and beat all three Yokozunae this basho. A zensho may put us in a mood to promote him."

Deputy Hakkaku : "It depends on the content.."

 

Let the merriment begin.

[Randomitsuki 2,908]

 

5 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Regarding Kisenosato's tsuna run, the judging department is saying this:

A zensho may put us in a mood to promote him."

 

Note to self: for the Hatsu sumo games, pick the opponent of Kisenosato for shonichi, whoever it might be.

[robnplunder 978]

1 hour ago, ALAKTORN said:

That’s not really a thing in sumō. Any random doofus can beat a yokozuna on a lucky day.

 

I know that.  But Tochinoshin back pedaled his way to lose.  His career record against Gaga was 5-2 at the time, Gaga was having a so-so basho, and Tochinoshin was looking strong.   He put on a show as if Gaga fairly beat him but I didn't see any serious attempt from Tochinoshin.    The random doofus in this case didn't have the lucky day other than drawing Tochinoshin.   I expect Gagamaru to return the favor in future bashos.

Edited November 27, 2016 by robnplunder

[Kintamayama 47,323]

8 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

I know that.  But Tochinoshin back pedaled his way to lose.  His career record against Gaga was 5-2 at the time, Gaga was having a so-so basho, and Tochinoshin was looking strong.   He put on a show as if Gaga fairly beat him but I didn't see any serious attempt from Tochinoshin.    The random doofus in this case didn't have the lucky day other than drawing Tochinoshin.   I expect Gagamaru to return the favor in future bashos.

Tochinoshin actually had his sanyaku promotion on the line there. He got it today in the end but had he lost today, Takarafuji would have gotten the promotion.

[Dapeng 236]

4 hours ago, kumoryu said:

I'm struggling to see how that was a yusho-equivalent. It looks like a pretty standard jun-yusho, but two off the pace at 12-3 doesn't seem equivalent to a yusho AFAICS.

That's why they said the bar had been lowered. 

[SumpaX 23]

Someone has to make a poll where you can guess how many Jun-Yusho's Kisenosato will have at the end of his career!

I would laugh if it weren't so sad...

Could this be a new record? (most Jun-Yushos in a year?)

Edit: Oh my god, nevermind... he allready had 4 jun-yushos in 2013. 

Edited November 27, 2016 by SumpaX

[robnplunder 978]

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Lost in the basho hubbub:

Kisenosato jun yusho. Alone. Incredible.

Kakuryuu wins the yusho with a two win margin. Incredible.

One Makuuchi kyujo (on senshuraku) the whole basho. No Makuuchi hyphenated records. Wow.

Not a single Juryo rikishi visits Makuuchi the whole basho. But I repeat myself..

In addition, my list will include a few too many shinpan/judging misses, Ishiura's physics defying early run, Sakamoto going 4-3 after the 1-3 start and making every one of his basho record to be 4-3.    

Edited November 27, 2016 by robnplunder