Basho Talk - Kyushu Basho 2016 ** (SPOILERS)

[Gernobono 455]

as i wrote before, i think kotoshogiku will be kyujo

i do not know if they will use shodai as "stopper" before handing ishiura an ozeki, or if they will send him straight up.....my guess is that they will give him shodai on day 13 (which makes my gka-pick wrong) and when he still ist on for the yusho (after ikioi and shodai) he will get kisenosato on day 14

Edited November 23, 2016 by Gernobono

[Benihana 1,901]

7 minutes ago, rzombie1988 said:

Kise fought all 3 Yokozunae and only has to fight 2 more Ozeki, so Kise vs Ishiura is possible.

Giku fought all 3 Yok's and all but 1 Ozeki, so Giku vs Ishiura is also possible.

And believe me, Ishiura is getting one or those two by Friday if he keeps winning.

Nope, Kisenosato vs. Harumafuji on day 12.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Benihana

[rzombie1988 157]

2 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Nope, Kisenosato vs. Harumafuji on day 12.

I'm reading SumoDB where they have that match booked already so to speak, so I consider it mostly done schedule wise. Kise will have 1 spot open after day 12 and 3 matches left.

Edited November 23, 2016 by rzombie1988

[Benevolance 2,478]

I personally love how Hakuho drops two matches on a basho returning from injury (one of them against a rikishi with the second most winningest record versus Hakuho, no less) and the forum consensus quickly shifts to "something's wrong!" or "he's not quite ready for intai yet!" as if being in the yusho race simply isn't considered good enough sumo from him. 

[ryafuji 807]

46 minutes ago, Fukurou said:

No such thing as a "locked" sansho, not when the old men of the NSK have yet to vote on who gets what prizes.

Yeah it used to be that scoring 10-5 or better in your makuuchi debut practically guaranteed you the Fighting Spirit prize but that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

[Akinomaki 39,755]

4 hours ago, Dwale said:

Is Ishiura going to be Mainoumi 2.0 or what? I hope this isn't a fluke because he's been a delight to watch. Fluke or not, he's made a hell of a splash here in his debut. I don't reckon his odds of taking the cup are very good, but it would be jaw-dropping levels of awesome if he did.

Unfortunately he had to shave his beard of luck - so he may be running out of it now.

 

[SumpaX 23]

53 minutes ago, rzombie1988 said:

- Harumafuji has to be the favorite going forward. He has done really good sumo and is messing up other wrestlers games by going after their legs. It's just a guess and all, but I think a 14-1 is the likely result.

I will be so happy if he pulls that off!!! 9# V !!!! LETS GO HARU!!

[Akinomaki 39,755]

Tomozuna wants to wait for Ishiura's result and if he wins more, from day 13 on (for 14 and 15) put him against sanyaku and above. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20161123/sum16112320240009-n1.html

At the same time, he thinks ozeki with bad results need not be paired against those in the yusho hunt nor against each other - "No one wants to see that". http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1742215.html

Endo is seen as likely for Ishiura on day 13.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Akinomaki

[rzombie1988 157]

48 minutes ago, Benevolance said:

I personally love how Hakuho drops two matches on a basho returning from injury (one of them against a rikishi with the second most winningest record versus Hakuho, no less) and the forum consensus quickly shifts to "something's wrong!" or "he's not quite ready for intai yet!" as if being in the yusho race simply isn't considered good enough sumo from him. 

That's the trouble with having a reputation as a sumo god. You gotta live up to those standards. Anything less than 14-1 Yusho is a bad basho for Hakuho to me.

Hakuho has never been your ordinary yokozuna and we don't treat him as such. You wanna be treated like Kakuryu where some of us think he should still be Ozeki or Kisenosato the choke artist of all choke artists? Then you won't have to worry about it.

Edited November 23, 2016 by rzombie1988

[Dwale 419]

36 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Unfortunately he had to shave his beard of luck - so he may be running out of it now.

 

That could very well have a negative psychological impact on him. I suppose we'll find out in the days to come.

[Rocks 1,807]

I just don't know about the Harumafuji-Kisenosato match. Kise usually loses to him but he's also usually already 'blown" his chances for the yusho. Kist instead just beat the other 2 Yokozuna and he's building, not dropping. There is still no real pressure on him, Even with a win he is likely to be 1 behind and there is no promotion on the line. I think Kise may win today.

[robnplunder 974]

Coupled with Kak's loss, Kise's win will make the last few days of basho very exciting.   Ishiura's run is an extra bonus if he keeps winning, or still has a chance at yusho on day 15.  I hope Kise or Ishura takes the yusho cup but it will probably one of the Yokozuna.   I just hope it's not Henkaho.

Edited November 23, 2016 by robnplunder

[pmac 34]

On 15.11.2016 at 06:37, robnplunder said:

  

thx to the janne ahonen of sumo to make it most exciting again :D

 

tschutschu im ready for the ishiuuuuuura hypetrain!

[Iginishiki2 8]

Also, a completely random note, but there are exactly three Makuuchi rikishi with a 10-1 score and mirrored three with 1-10.

[Benihana 1,901]

8 hours ago, luispereira said:

tell me, sumo forum's department of statistics.. if a japanese* wins this basho, how long it passed since 3 japs won in a calendar year?

* Kisenosato

 

8 hours ago, Randomitsuki said:

That would be the first time since 2003.

A yusho winner list can be found here.

And it would be the first year since 2001 with 5 different winners and the first since 2003 with 3 different ozeki winners. Then the Fire Nation  mongolians attacked.

If Ishiura wins (ginormous if), he could make history for becoming the first rookie to win a basho since the 10 bouts/2 basho era.

Before him there was only 1 other maegashira freshman in database history to win a basho:

Ryogoku won the 1914 Natsu basho with 9 wins, 0 losses and 1 fusensho. 2 of 3 yokozuna were absent and 1 of 3 ozeki went kyujo early. Don't know if that spoils it a bit.

Additional Wikipedia link on Ryogoku.

This basho gets more and more exciting 

Edited November 23, 2016 by Benihana

[rzombie1988 157]

Don't get your hopes up on Ishiura. We've been down that route before in previous basho's with other unlikely winners. People at Yokozuna and Ozeki rank are at that rank for a reason. There's been very few non-Ozeki or Yokozuna title winners in the last 30 years.

Edited November 23, 2016 by rzombie1988

[dingo 1,159]

6 hours ago, rzombie1988 said:

please don't start the "Kise can win" stuff.

I wholeheartedly agree. So can we start with the "Kise will choke" stuff instead? It's already a good couple of hours overdue.

[Sumozumo 240]

Ikioi's golden hands on Chiyootori's round mountains.

[rhyen 1,808]

 

1 hour ago, dingo said:

I wholeheartedly agree. So can we start with the "Kise will choke" stuff instead? It's already a good couple of hours overdue.

 

After Kisenosato's bout with Harumafuji later today, he should have the easier schedule compared to the 2 leading Yokozuna.
Are we going to discount his chances even if he loses to Harumafuji?

[robnplunder 974]

3 hours ago, rzombie1988 said:

Don't get your hopes up on Ishiura. We've been down that route before in previous basho's with other unlikely winners. People at Yokozuna and Ozeki rank are at that rank for a reason. There's been very few non-Ozeki or Yokozuna title winners in the last 30 years.

Let's just enjoy.   When will we ever see a rookie is going to 10-1 in Makuuchi in his 1st 11 bouts?   Even if it happens again, he won't be height & weight challenged like Ishiura.   That is, we won't liekly see something like this again in our life time.  Let's consider ourselves lucky to witness a tiny rookie rikishi rifling through the Makuuchi division.   Let's hope all we want, and enjoy the ride even if it crashes.  

[specialweek 2 136]

2 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Let's just enjoy.   When will we ever see a rookie is going to 10-1 in Makuuchi in his 1st 11 bouts?   Even if it happens again, he won't be height & weight challenged like Ishiura.   That is, we won't liekly see something like this again in our life time.  Let's consider ourselves lucky to witness a tiny rookie rikishi rifling through the Makuuchi division.   Let's hope all we want, and enjoy the ride even if it crashes.  

Of course there was the antithesis of Ishiura who went 13-1 in his debut back in Sept 2014.

[robnplunder 974]

1 hour ago, specialweek 2 said:

Of course there was the antithesis of Ishiura who went 13-1 in his debut back in Sept 2014.

Yeah, he weighted twice more than Ishiura, and started from MS15 and rocketed into Makuuchi.   Ishiura took the opposite way into Makuuchi and nobody expected him to be at 10-1 at this point.  

 

I went back and watched Ichinojo's debut bouts.  Damn, he sure was lighter and faster.  He even henka'd successfully.   I didn't know he could move that fast.   

Edited November 24, 2016 by robnplunder

[Gernobono 455]

can't believe they are pairing him with chiyootori for day 13....

i guess it does not matter as i expect ishiura to lose on day 12 against ikioi, but still......the nsk does obvoiusly not care about spectatorness.....(no surprise)

[Sakura 1,472]

Just noticed that Toyonoshima won his 4th match in Makushita. Probably no promotion to Juryo but at least moving up the banzuke.

[Chiyozakura 130]

21 minutes ago, Gernobono said:

can't believe they are pairing him with chiyootori for day 13....

i guess it does not matter as i expect ishiura to lose on day 12 against ikioi, but still......the nsk does obvoiusly not care about spectatorness.....(no surprise)

I think they discussed it, agreed on Kisenosato and then Tomozuna forgot what they said and just wrote Chiyootori.