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Fresh off of the NSK website:

Makuuchi

Harumafuji   Y1   Kakuryu

Hakuho   Y2

Goeido   O1   Kisenosato

Kotoshogiku   O2   Terunofuji

Takayasu   S   Okinoumi

Mitakeumi   K   Tamawashi

Tochiozan   M1   Aoiyama

Kaisei   M2   Yoshikaze

Endo   M3   Shodai

Kotoyuki   M4   Chiyonokuni

Shohozan   M5   Takarafuji

Nishikigi   M6   Tochinoshin

Takekaze   M7   Takanoiwa

Sadanoumi   M8   Ikioi

Myogiryu   M9   Kagayaki

Chiyoshoma   M10   Arawashi

Kyokushuho   M11   Hokutofuji

Daishomaru   M12   Chiyootori

Hidenoumi   M13   Ichinojo

Sokokurai   M14   Chiyotairyu

Ishiura   M15   Toyohibiki

Gagamaru   M16

 

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Daiki changed his shikona!  Amazing!  (I guess we theoretically knew about this before, but now it's really true)

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And Juryo:

 

Chiyomaru   J1   Amakaze

Kotoeko   J2   Chiyoo

Tokushoryu   J3   Sato

Onosho   J4   Daieisho

Ura   J5   Tsurugisho

Osunaarashi   J6   Azumaryu

Amuru   J7   Asahisho

Aminishiki   J8   Homarefuji

Kitaharima   J9   Asasekiryu

Kitataiki   J10   Yamaguchi

Kyokutaisei   J11   Seiro

Daishoho   J12   Oyanagi

Ryuden   J13   Sadanofuji

Satoyama   J14   Meisei

 

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Upper makushita:

 

Rikishin   ms1   Sakamoto

Wakanoshima   ms2   Kizenryu

Iwasaki   ms3   Asabenkei

Fujiazuma   ms4   Tochimaru

Shimanoumi   ms5   Kairyu

Masunosho   ms6   Tamaasuka

Takagenji   ms7   Toyonoshima

Irodori   ms8   Shiba

Mugendai   ms9   Terutsuyoshi

Higonojo   ms10   Akinokawa

Shosei   ms11   Sakigake

Dewahayate   ms12   Goshi

Terao   ms13   Mizuguchi

Ishibashi   ms14   Ryuonami

Nionoumi   ms15   Tokushinho

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Juryo is really weird.  A lot of needless overpromotions and overdemotions compared to by-the-numbers, although that's something that probably should be the case in general.  I don't recall it being quite this drastic before though.

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Harsh on Takarafuji. And somebody must really like Sadanoumi for him to continually end up in the best-possible positions he can get - I figured there's no way he lucks his way in front of both a joi stablemate and popular Ikioi this time, but here we are again.
 

28 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Juryo is really weird.  A lot of needless overpromotions and overdemotions compared to by-the-numbers, although that's something that probably should be the case in general.  I don't recall it being quite this drastic before though.

Maybe they figured they ought to be generous with all the guys who narrowly missed out on the makuuchi gravy train. Unlike, say, the distorted mess they created after Nagoya 2013.

That said, they went even more extreme than I do in my game banzuke-making, which is pretty drastic indeed.

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The guys who narrowly missed the lucky Makuuchi promotions are exactly where I expected them for the most part (although Tokushoryu got dumped on in favor of Chiyomaru).  But Tsurugisho over Osunaarashi?  Asahisho and Aminishiki over Kitaharima?  The mind boggles.

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Just now, Gurowake said:

The guys who narrowly missed the lucky Makuuchi promotions are exactly where I expected them.

Hopefully you mean as a group, because I'd be a bit flabbergasted if you had Chiyomaru ahead of Kotoeko and Chiyoo...

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Yes, I did have Chiyomaru below them and was shocked to see him higher than them.

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VIP aka "The second generation" rank in lower Makushita:

Kotokamatani   ms43   Musashikuni

 

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They really have it in for Oosunaarashi.  Like they had with Tochinoshin back then. This is really unbelievable. And I don't buy the "luck of the Banzuke" nonsense that supposedly explains everything. A 6-9 with a 5 mai drop? . Someone is definitely trying to teach him a lesson of some sort.

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Astounding, for the first time in probably forever the makushita top 5 ranks look exactly the way I expected them to.

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Ichinojo has managed to stay in Makuuchi with a few ranks to spare, while Oosunaarashi was to demoted to Juryo from half a rank higher. And now the Egyptian drops again undeservedly like a rock . Maybe if he wins a zensho-yusho he will get back to Juryo #1.

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They should write/use a complementary SW program to do these rankings.   It may yield to more consistent result from basho to basho.  

 

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Tamawashi in the second komusubi spot instead of Aoiyama. Is that logical?

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15 minutes ago, Gooner said:

Tamawashi in the second komusubi spot instead of Aoiyama. Is that logical?

He's a rank down and a win up, so yes.  The stats will come out for GTB once the banzuke is uploaded to the sumodb front page, and you can check how many people agree with the banzuke makers; I'd guess most.

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56 minutes ago, Gooner said:

Tamawashi in the second komusubi spot instead of Aoiyama. Is that logical?

It depends on whether you thought Mitakeumi was the logical choice over Takayasu a few basho ago.  Most people thought Mitakeumi was pretty much guaranteed the spot, but it went to the more experienced Takayasu in what was clearly an anti-newcomer move, especially in light of them not doing the same thing in this situation.  Tamawashi is quite a veteran and has been in sanyaku before, so those things weren't working against him this time..

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31 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

It depends on whether you thought Mitakeumi was the logical choice over Takayasu a few basho ago.  Most people thought Mitakeumi was pretty much guaranteed the spot, but it went to the more experienced Takayasu in what was clearly an anti-newcomer move, especially in light of them not doing the same thing in this situation.  Tamawashi is quite a veteran and has been in sanyaku before, so those things weren't working against him this time..

But in that case the higher ranked rikishi got picked ahead of the better score. Now it's the other way around.

Aoiyama has more sanyaku experience than Tamawashi and constantly had the higher ranking for the last couple of years. 

Does popularity affect the choice of the sanyaku spots?

 

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There's a difference between 'has more experience' and 'has experience'.  There's some amount of anti-rookie bias in the whole setup, for probably good reason. (There's less evidence that they know what they're on about.)

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Nce to see Onosho back up near the top of Juryo again, though Sato's probably getting a makekoshi this time around

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20 minutes ago, mikawa said:

Nce to see Onosho back up near the top of Juryo again, though Sato's probably getting a makekoshi this time around

Regarding your prediction regarding Sato; Ye of "little" faith.

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Ryuden is in third place in the "lowest rank held before Juryo return" category, having fallen to Jonokuchi 17w. Yamaguchi squeezes into tenth place on the same list, having fallen to Sandanme 65w.

The banzuke topics tables are now presented in an image file on the Japanese side of the Kyokai site. That's a little odd, but at least they get tables - none at all on the English side.

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What is really shocking is Kotoyuki with 10-5 getting merely to M4 while Tamawashi jumping from M6 all the way to K. The only real difference between them is Tamawashi facing one Ozeki...and losing to him.

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9 hours ago, Gooner said:

But in that case the higher ranked rikishi got picked ahead of the better score. Now it's the other way around.

 

One of the great "charms" of the banzuke system as opposed to a strictly defined points system or Elo ranking or something like that is that there is no requirement to be consistent.  They will rank the rikishi however they feel like it, with nearly every rule being breakable on some occasion.

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7 hours ago, Gurowake said:

One of the great "charms" of the banzuke system as opposed to a strictly defined points system or Elo ranking or something like that is that there is no requirement to be consistent.  They will rank the rikishi however they feel like it, with nearly every rule being breakable on some occasion.

As Spoc would say, that is highly illogical.  

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