kuroimori 1,634 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Fresh off of the NSK website: Makuuchi Harumafuji Y1 Kakuryu Hakuho Y2 Goeido O1 Kisenosato Kotoshogiku O2 Terunofuji Takayasu S Okinoumi Mitakeumi K Tamawashi Tochiozan M1 Aoiyama Kaisei M2 Yoshikaze Endo M3 Shodai Kotoyuki M4 Chiyonokuni Shohozan M5 Takarafuji Nishikigi M6 Tochinoshin Takekaze M7 Takanoiwa Sadanoumi M8 Ikioi Myogiryu M9 Kagayaki Chiyoshoma M10 Arawashi Kyokushuho M11 Hokutofuji Daishomaru M12 Chiyootori Hidenoumi M13 Ichinojo Sokokurai M14 Chiyotairyu Ishiura M15 Toyohibiki Gagamaru M16 Edited October 30, 2016 by kuroimori 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,050 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Daiki changed his shikona! Amazing! (I guess we theoretically knew about this before, but now it's really true) Edited October 30, 2016 by Gurowake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted October 30, 2016 And Juryo: Chiyomaru J1 Amakaze Kotoeko J2 Chiyoo Tokushoryu J3 Sato Onosho J4 Daieisho Ura J5 Tsurugisho Osunaarashi J6 Azumaryu Amuru J7 Asahisho Aminishiki J8 Homarefuji Kitaharima J9 Asasekiryu Kitataiki J10 Yamaguchi Kyokutaisei J11 Seiro Daishoho J12 Oyanagi Ryuden J13 Sadanofuji Satoyama J14 Meisei 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted October 30, 2016 Upper makushita: Rikishin ms1 Sakamoto Wakanoshima ms2 Kizenryu Iwasaki ms3 Asabenkei Fujiazuma ms4 Tochimaru Shimanoumi ms5 Kairyu Masunosho ms6 Tamaasuka Takagenji ms7 Toyonoshima Irodori ms8 Shiba Mugendai ms9 Terutsuyoshi Higonojo ms10 Akinokawa Shosei ms11 Sakigake Dewahayate ms12 Goshi Terao ms13 Mizuguchi Ishibashi ms14 Ryuonami Nionoumi ms15 Tokushinho 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,050 Posted October 30, 2016 Juryo is really weird. A lot of needless overpromotions and overdemotions compared to by-the-numbers, although that's something that probably should be the case in general. I don't recall it being quite this drastic before though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,319 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Harsh on Takarafuji. And somebody must really like Sadanoumi for him to continually end up in the best-possible positions he can get - I figured there's no way he lucks his way in front of both a joi stablemate and popular Ikioi this time, but here we are again. 28 minutes ago, Gurowake said: Juryo is really weird. A lot of needless overpromotions and overdemotions compared to by-the-numbers, although that's something that probably should be the case in general. I don't recall it being quite this drastic before though. Maybe they figured they ought to be generous with all the guys who narrowly missed out on the makuuchi gravy train. Unlike, say, the distorted mess they created after Nagoya 2013. That said, they went even more extreme than I do in my game banzuke-making, which is pretty drastic indeed. Edited October 30, 2016 by Asashosakari 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,050 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) The guys who narrowly missed the lucky Makuuchi promotions are exactly where I expected them for the most part (although Tokushoryu got dumped on in favor of Chiyomaru). But Tsurugisho over Osunaarashi? Asahisho and Aminishiki over Kitaharima? The mind boggles. Edited October 30, 2016 by Gurowake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,319 Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, Gurowake said: The guys who narrowly missed the lucky Makuuchi promotions are exactly where I expected them. Hopefully you mean as a group, because I'd be a bit flabbergasted if you had Chiyomaru ahead of Kotoeko and Chiyoo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,050 Posted October 30, 2016 Yes, I did have Chiyomaru below them and was shocked to see him higher than them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted October 30, 2016 VIP aka "The second generation" rank in lower Makushita: Kotokamatani ms43 Musashikuni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,108 Posted October 30, 2016 They really have it in for Oosunaarashi. Like they had with Tochinoshin back then. This is really unbelievable. And I don't buy the "luck of the Banzuke" nonsense that supposedly explains everything. A 6-9 with a 5 mai drop? . Someone is definitely trying to teach him a lesson of some sort. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,319 Posted October 30, 2016 Astounding, for the first time in probably forever the makushita top 5 ranks look exactly the way I expected them to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted October 30, 2016 Ichinojo has managed to stay in Makuuchi with a few ranks to spare, while Oosunaarashi was to demoted to Juryo from half a rank higher. And now the Egyptian drops again undeservedly like a rock . Maybe if he wins a zensho-yusho he will get back to Juryo #1. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 975 Posted October 31, 2016 They should write/use a complementary SW program to do these rankings. It may yield to more consistent result from basho to basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooner 39 Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Tamawashi in the second komusubi spot instead of Aoiyama. Is that logical? Edited October 31, 2016 by Gooner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryoshishokunin 288 Posted October 31, 2016 15 minutes ago, Gooner said: Tamawashi in the second komusubi spot instead of Aoiyama. Is that logical? He's a rank down and a win up, so yes. The stats will come out for GTB once the banzuke is uploaded to the sumodb front page, and you can check how many people agree with the banzuke makers; I'd guess most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,050 Posted October 31, 2016 56 minutes ago, Gooner said: Tamawashi in the second komusubi spot instead of Aoiyama. Is that logical? It depends on whether you thought Mitakeumi was the logical choice over Takayasu a few basho ago. Most people thought Mitakeumi was pretty much guaranteed the spot, but it went to the more experienced Takayasu in what was clearly an anti-newcomer move, especially in light of them not doing the same thing in this situation. Tamawashi is quite a veteran and has been in sanyaku before, so those things weren't working against him this time.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooner 39 Posted October 31, 2016 31 minutes ago, Gurowake said: It depends on whether you thought Mitakeumi was the logical choice over Takayasu a few basho ago. Most people thought Mitakeumi was pretty much guaranteed the spot, but it went to the more experienced Takayasu in what was clearly an anti-newcomer move, especially in light of them not doing the same thing in this situation. Tamawashi is quite a veteran and has been in sanyaku before, so those things weren't working against him this time.. But in that case the higher ranked rikishi got picked ahead of the better score. Now it's the other way around. Aoiyama has more sanyaku experience than Tamawashi and constantly had the higher ranking for the last couple of years. Does popularity affect the choice of the sanyaku spots? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryoshishokunin 288 Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) There's a difference between 'has more experience' and 'has experience'. There's some amount of anti-rookie bias in the whole setup, for probably good reason. (There's less evidence that they know what they're on about.) Edited October 31, 2016 by Ryoshishokunin Spelling. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikawa 1,794 Posted October 31, 2016 Nce to see Onosho back up near the top of Juryo again, though Sato's probably getting a makekoshi this time around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted October 31, 2016 20 minutes ago, mikawa said: Nce to see Onosho back up near the top of Juryo again, though Sato's probably getting a makekoshi this time around Regarding your prediction regarding Sato; Ye of "little" faith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,682 Posted October 31, 2016 Ryuden is in third place in the "lowest rank held before Juryo return" category, having fallen to Jonokuchi 17w. Yamaguchi squeezes into tenth place on the same list, having fallen to Sandanme 65w. The banzuke topics tables are now presented in an image file on the Japanese side of the Kyokai site. That's a little odd, but at least they get tables - none at all on the English side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botev1921 33 Posted October 31, 2016 What is really shocking is Kotoyuki with 10-5 getting merely to M4 while Tamawashi jumping from M6 all the way to K. The only real difference between them is Tamawashi facing one Ozeki...and losing to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,050 Posted October 31, 2016 9 hours ago, Gooner said: But in that case the higher ranked rikishi got picked ahead of the better score. Now it's the other way around. One of the great "charms" of the banzuke system as opposed to a strictly defined points system or Elo ranking or something like that is that there is no requirement to be consistent. They will rank the rikishi however they feel like it, with nearly every rule being breakable on some occasion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 975 Posted November 1, 2016 7 hours ago, Gurowake said: One of the great "charms" of the banzuke system as opposed to a strictly defined points system or Elo ranking or something like that is that there is no requirement to be consistent. They will rank the rikishi however they feel like it, with nearly every rule being breakable on some occasion. As Spoc would say, that is highly illogical. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites