Bench Sumo news

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

20 minutes ago, Jejima said:

I just hope that the automation can handle such an instance. @Doitsuyama?

I'm going out on a very solid limb and say: no, it can't.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

I'm going out on a very solid limb and say: no, it can't.

Gulp. This could be a nightmare!

I am quite happy with 9 lads if the automation can't handle it!

[Sakura 1,524]

20 minutes ago, Pandaazuma said:

I am quite happy with 9 lads if the automation can't handle it!

It would at least be the same for everyone. Never having read the rules in great detail, I just assumed that no Yokozuna available meant that we had only 9 rikishi.

[Getayukata 123]

2 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

Gulp. This could be a nightmare!

I am quite happy with 9 lads if the automation can't handle it!

Me too, especially if the automation is going to be messed up by extra megashira picks. 

 

[Gurowake 4,154]

I assume the automation will handle situations where there are no Yokozuna or Ozeki on the banzuke, but I'm pretty sure there's no way it can know whether they will all be kyujo, especially as the sekitori kyujo announcement is pretty much contemporaneous with the Bench Sumo deadline.

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

5 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I assume the automation will handle situations where there are no Yokozuna or Ozeki on the banzuke.

I doubt it. I rather expect the entry page to crash until Doitsuyama wields his magic.

[Gernobono 467]

there still is a theoretical chance they are entering later

[Joaoiyama 318]

Also there's the probability that many players won't log in time to pick the extra maegashira.

[Doitsuyama 1,260]

The automation definitely can't handle 7 maegashira, it would be a big undertaking for that, starting with the database.

[Asashosakari 20,287]

3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

I doubt it. I rather expect the entry page to crash until Doitsuyama wields his magic.

I don't really see why. Inattentive players have had full-kyujo rikishi in their squads before, no? It's not like the Hakuho and Kakuryu buttons are getting disabled on the entry pages. (Hmm, or are they...?)

Edited September 11, 2020 by Asashosakari

[Godango 1,092]

44 minutes ago, Doitsuyama said:

The automation definitely can't handle 7 maegashira, it would be a big undertaking for that, starting with the database.

Are we all agreed then that 'nine is fine'?

... I just really wanted to rhyme.

[Jejima 1,498]

1 hour ago, Houmanumi said:

Are we all agreed then that 'nine is fine'?

... I just really wanted to rhyme.

It is my decision to make.

But,

a) I would much prefer it if there is a way to allow for the extra Maegashira pick.

b) I note above that @Doitsuyama says that it would be a big undertaking to sort out the automation to allow for this possibility. Does that mean that it would be impossible to do for this basho? How about for the November 2020 basho (or January 2021 basho)?

I would like to know the answers to these questions, before donning the orange traffic cone hat (I don't even know where I last put it.)

However, there will be a Bench Sumo basho this basho.

[Godango 1,092]

As long as we're agreed that my ability to rhyme is spectacular. 

FWIW -- I'm a data/automation guy by day if ever another pair of hands is needed to help things along.

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

I don't really see why. Inattentive players have had full-kyujo rikishi in their squads before, no? It's not like the Hakuho and Kakuryu buttons are getting disabled on the entry pages. (Hmm, or are they...?)

We were talking about a banzuke without yokozuna, which Bench Sumo had never experienced before. Asanoyama should better hurry with his promotion!

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

8 minutes ago, Jejima said:

Does that mean that it would be impossible to do for this basho?

Definitely.

[Asashosakari 20,287]

12 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

We were talking about a banzuke without yokozuna, which Bench Sumo had never experienced before. Asanoyama should better hurry with his promotion!

My bad, I missed the shift in topic from the original issue for the current basho.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Asashosakari

[Andonishiki 171]

nokozuna and keep 6 maegashira will bring bench to a different level... 

imho... a much more interesting one.

more decisions on the bench very likely

will 90% of players keep asanoyama on the 4-pts slot for at least 13 days ?

i doubt it.

let's gooo bashooooow

Edited September 11, 2020 by Andonishiki

[Gernobono 467]

2 hours ago, Andonishiki said:

nokozuna and keep 6 maegashira will bring bench to a different level... 

imho... a much more interesting one.

i cannot see any difference between all yokozuna on 4 points and all yokozuna on bench 5

[Jejima 1,498]

For this basho, I guess we are all going to have to battle with 9 rikishi.

But this is not a change in the official rules. When the automation can handle it, the game will use the official rules of allowing an extra Maegashira pick, for future bashos.

[Jejima 1,498]

5 hours ago, Gernobono said:

i cannot see any difference between all yokozuna on 4 points and all yokozuna on bench 5

Not the actual results of bouts, but I have a feeling that the Fighting Spirit prizes and the Technique Prizes will be harder than usual. 

[Ganzohnesushi 548]

8 minutes ago, Jejima said:

Not the actual results of bouts, but I have a feeling that the Fighting Spirit prizes and the Technique Prizes will be harder than usual. 

I don't think so. With M1e Terunofuji there is an additional weapon for big scores. And I'm really curious whether we will see an all Ozeki line-up in points... (Asanoyama/Takakeisho + 4 former Ozeki).

Ganzohnesushi

[ScreechingOwl 343]

8 hours ago, Jejima said:

For this basho, I guess we are all going to have to battle with 9 rikishi.

But this is not a change in the official rules. When the automation can handle it, the game will use the official rules of allowing an extra Maegashira pick, for future bashos.

I'm looking forward to using this next time, which based on past history will be 2057! (Although it certainly has to be rather freakish this hasn't happened in 37 years, and I can easily imagine having only one yokozuna in the near future and not being as fortunate as the two previous times we've only had one.)

[Kashunowaka 300]

On 10/09/2020 at 21:14, Jejima said:

The rules are here.

@Takanorappa: It would be great if the page could be updated to point to the current mailing list. 

[Jejima 1,498]

Hi everyone!

Here are the updated standings for the Zentoryu Quality of Sumo Award for 2020 after the September 2020 basho.  This is the combined results of the ZQoSA from November 2019 to September 2020.

It reads like this.....

Current ZQoSA position - (Change from after July 2020) - Rank on the September 2020 banzuke - shikona - Total ZQoSA points from the previous 5 bashos - (points change from after September 2020 - basically the points gained for September 2020 minus the points gained in September 2019).

Andoreasu and fujiyama have both moved into the top ten. 

The biggest move upwards is the 15 places of chishafuwaku.

Over-and-out-until-November!

Jejima 

Sanyaku level

1. (+5) O2W Norizo 387 (+60)

2. (=) S1E Terarno 364 (+10)

3. (=) O1E Bill 335 (-6)

4. (-3) Y1E Flohru 329 (-36)

5. (+3) S1W Yassier 310 (+16)

6. (-1) M5E Gawasukotto 303 (-25)

7. (+1) M3W Konosato 301 (+7)

8. (+7) M6W Andoreasu 296 (+42)

9. (-2) O1W Taka 295 (-8)

10. (+1) M3E fujiyama 291 (+12)

 

Makunouchi level

11. (-7) M5W pandaazuma 277 (-52)

12. (+2) M4E ScreechingOwl 271 (+14)

13. (=) M4W toonoryu 267 (-5)

14. (+2) M2E Itachi 255 (+2)

15. (+3) M2W Sakura 254 (+16)

16. (-6) K1W Metzinowaka 248 (-41)

=17. (-5) M10W Jejima 227 (-48)

=17. (+3) M8E Kintamayama 227 (+1)

19. (=) M6E Damimonay 224 (-7)

20. (+8) M1E Gaijingai 222 (+41)

21. (-4) M9W Susanoo 216 (-35)

22. (-1) M7E Ruziklao209 (-4)

23. (-1) M9E Unkonoyama 207 (+10)

24. (+1) M7W Chijanofuji 199 (+10)

25. (+6) M15W Achiyama 197 (+30)

26. (+6) M8W Pitinosato 195 (+30)

27. (+12) M15E Hokuyutaka 188 (+58)

=28. (-5) M1W tainosen 178 (-15)

=28. (+1) M12W andonishiki 178 (-1)

30. (+5) M13W Tameiki 172 (+13)

=31. (+2) M16E Oshirokita 166 (+2)

=31. (-8) M13E Chocshoporyu 166 (-27)

=33. (+4) M11W Jakusotsu 164 (+12)

=33. (+2) M11E Boltbutthamma 164 (+5)

35. (-8) K1E Rubensan 159 (-27)

36. (+6) M14E Kitakachiyama 140 (+19)

37. (+1) J3E Yamashade 139 (-5)

38. (-13) INTAI Ihopeso 136 (-53)

39. (-9) J5W iwakoko 131 (-47)

40. (=) M12E mischashimaru 116 (-12)

41. (+15) M17E chishafuwaku 113 (+44)

42. (-8) J4E Fujisan 112 (-51)

 

Juryo level

43. (+5) M10E Itachiyama 110 (+29)

44. (-1) J5E Kitahotaru 97 (-8)

45. (=) M14W Frinkanohana 93 (+1)

46. (-6) J2E Gurowake 87 (-41)

47. (-3) J3W Mukanibaru 86 (-13)

48. (+3) J7E Hana-ichi 79(+2)

=49. (-3) J1W Heiyu 78 (-12)

=49. (+1) M16W Getayukata (0)

=51. (+6) M17W Sherlockiama 69 (+4)

=51. (+7) J10E Unagiyutaka 69 (+13)

53. (+2) J8W Saruyama 64 (-7)

=54. (=) J10W GONZABUROW 63 (-12)

=54. (+6) J13E Holleshoryu 63 (+16)

56. (+7) J1E tokugawa 61 (+24)

57. (+2) J9E kuroimori 60 (+10)

58. (-6) J2W Gansekiiwa 58 (-18)

59. (-12) ms7E Haidouzo 53 (-33)

60. (-8) J8E Tenshinhan 52 (-24)

61. (-12) J6W Tsunamiko 50 (-29)

62. (+3) J11W Oortael 47 (+18)

63. (+8) J12E Yangnomazuma 33 (+29)

64. (=) J7W Golynohana 41 (+6)

65. (+4) J6E Kaiowaka 38 (+19)

66. (-4) J11E shimodahito 37 (-1)

67. (+1) J9W Rikishimiezi 33 (+12)

68. (+4) J13W Atenzan 30 (+16)

69. (-8) J4W Mmikasazuma 28 (-15)

70. (-4) ms2W Furanohana 25 (0)

 

Makushita level

71. (NE) J14E Kishikaisei 22 (+22)

72. (=) ms8E Mariohana 14 (0)

73. (NE) J14W Takanorappa 13 (+13)

74. (-7) J12W wolfgangho 12 (-12)

75. (-5) ms3E Hironoumi 7 (-9)

76. (-2) ms10W Kyodaitimu 6 (-3)

=77. (-3) ms7W Homuburywa 4 (-5)

=77. (-3) ms6E Nantonoyama 4 (-5)

79. (-2) ms15E Kasamatsuri 1 (-7)

80. (-1) ms5W Anjoboshi 0 (0)

 

 

 

[Jejima 1,498]

Hi all,

Here is the new bench banzuke for November 2020. It was put together by Jejima, Kaiomitsuki and Flohru, with useful input from Asashosakari and Kintamayama. Ekigozan was also included in all correspondence. 

For players on an Ozeki run, a kosho will cut that short in normal circumstances. This means that Andoreasu will need to play in November to have a chance of cashing in on his amazing 12-3 record either then (with a 10-5 or better, as he had an 8-7 prior to the 12-3) or again in January, should he KK in November without double digits. This has been the rule for Bench Sumo since the game began in 1999, when I wrote it based on how the kosho rule (then in existence for Ozumo) would treat an Ozeki run. (Other sumo games treat kosho and ozeki promotion differently.)

If anyone has any query about the rules, (which can be seen here --> <http://takanorappa.com/BenchRules/BasicRules.htm>)please contact me directly. 

As well as welcoming Andoreasu to the Sekiwake ranks, there are a number of very lucky promotions to Makunouchi.

With banzuke-gai rikishi, and 0-0-15 rikishi falling from Juryo, there is more banzuke luck than usual this basho.

With sadness, I need to announce that this will be the last banzuke that Kaiomitsuki will be an active banzuke maker. He had previously hung up his mawashi, and now he is hanging up his calligraphy brush too. Kaiomitsuki has been invited to join Kintamayama, Ekigozan and Asashosakari as a banzuke-maker emeritus. Someone who we turn to for wisdom and guidance when needed.

 

I will be inviting a Bench Sumo player to take his place before the next basho begins.

 

Jejima (BS rijicho)

 

Flohru (Y1E, 9-6)                               Y1
Norizo (O2W, 12-3)                            O1  Bill (O1E, 7-8)

                                                          O2  Taka (O1W, 7-8)
Yassier (S1W, 11-4)                          S1   Andoreasu (M6W, 12-3)
Gaijingai (M1E, 9-6)                           K1   Metzinowaka (K1W, KOSHO)

Terarno (S1E, 7-8)                          M1   Damimonay (M6E, 9-6) 
Pitinosato (M8W, 10-5)                     2   pandaazuma (M5W, 8-7)
Kintamayama (M8E, 9-6)                  3   Hokuyutaka (M15E, 12-3)
fujiyama (M3E, 7-8)                          4    Konosato (M3W, 7-8)
Rubensan (K1E, 5-10)                      5    ScreechingOwl (M4E, 7-8)
Ruziklao (M7E, 8-7)                          6   Susanoo (M9W, 9-6)
toonoryu (M4W, 7-8)                         7    Itachi (M2E, 5-10)
Sakura (M2W, 5-10)                          8  tainosen (M1W, 4-11)
Jejima (M10W, 8-7)                          9   Boltbutthamma (M11E, 8-7)
Achiyama (M15W, 10-5)                 10  Gawasukotto (M5E, 5-10)
Chijanofuji (M7W, 6-9)                     11   andonishiki (M12W, 8-7)
Unkonoyama (M9E, 6-9)                  12   Tameiki (M13W, 8-7)
Jakusotsu (M11W, 7-8)                    13   Itachiyama (M10E, 6-9)
chishafuwaku (M17E, 9-6)              14   tokugawa (J1E, 8-7)
Kitakachiyama (M14E, 7-8)             15   Kaiowaka (J6E, 10-5)
Chocshoporyu (M13E, 6-9)             16  Kitahotaru (J5E, 9-6)
Getayukata (M16W, 7-8)                  17  Yamashade (J3E, 8-7) 

 

Yangnomazuma (J12E, 12-3)         J1   Oshirokita (M16E, 6-9)  
mischashimaru (M12E, 4-11)           2    Frinkanohana (M14W, 5-10)
Kishikaisei (J14E, 12-3)                  3   Saruyama (J8W, 9-6)
Joaoiyama (ms2E, 13-2)                  4    Oortael (J11W, 9-6)
Rikishimiezi (J9W, 8-7)                    5    Hironoumi (ms3E, 12-3)
Holleshoryu (J13E, 9-6)                   6    Tsunamiko (J6W, KOSHO)
Sherlockiama (M17W, 4-11)             7    Gurowake (J2E, 5-10)
Hana-ichi (J7E, 7-8)                         8    iwakoko (J5W, 6-9)
Mukanibaru (J3W, 5-10)                   9     Atenzan (J13W, 9-6)
kuroimori (J9E, 7-8)                       10     Golynohana (J7W, 6-9)
Unagiyutaka (J10E, 7-8)                 11     Roundeye (ms1E, 9-6) 
shimodahito (J11E, 7-8)                 12      Takanorappa (J14W, 8-7)
GONZABUROW (J10W, 6-9)         13      Chelseayama (ms13W, 11-4) 
Kaito (ms5E, 8-7)                           14     Fujisan (J4E, 2-13)                            

Oyama (ms8W, 9-6)                      ms1     Houmanumi (ms6W, 8-7)
Heiyu (J1W, 0-0-15)                           2     Furanohana (ms2W, KOSHO)
wolfgangho (J12W, 5-10)                   3     Kotononami (ms3W, KOSHO)
Gansekiiwa (J2W, 0-0-15)                  4     Kofujinokami (ms4W, KOSHO)
Wamahada (ms1W, 6-9)                    5     Mmikasazuma (J4W, 0-0-15)
Athenayama (ms4E, 7-8)                   6      Fujiko (ms18W, 11-4)
Nantonoyama (ms6E, 7-8)                 7     Kyodaitimu (ms10W, 8-7)
Homuburyuwa (ms7W, 7-8)               8      Bunijiman (ms15W, 9-6)
Tenshinhan (J8E, 0-0-15)                  9       Oskanohana (ms12W, 8-7)
Domichi (ms9W, 7-8)                       10       Hakuryuho (ms21E, 10-5)
Nekonishiki (ms16E, 8-7)                 11       Kuramarujo (ms16W, 8-7)
Rowitoro (ms11E, 7-8)                     12        kamogawa (ms12E, 7-8)
Kitanoyama (ms13E, 7-8)                13        Kintsubasa (ms9E, 5-10)
Watashi (ms10E, 5-10)                    14         Kashunowaka (ms14W, 7-8)
Kasamatsuri (ms15E, 6-9)                15         Aminoumi (ms18E, 7-8)
Maeden (ms17W, 6-9)                      16      Basoyama (ms17E, 5-10) 
Akokoneko (ms19E, 5-10)                17       Marushiki (ms20E, 4-11)
Baku (ms20W, 3-12)                         18 

Banzuke-gai
Anjoboshi (ms5W, 0-0-15)
Haidouzo (ms7E, 0-0-15)
Mariohana (ms8E, 0-0-15)
VESHANA (ms11W, 0-0-15)
aoyume (ms14E, 0-0-15)
Hibarifuji (ms19W, 0-0-15)