Atenzan 1,074 Posted August 31, 2016 How does the game work? The Makuuchi banzuke is divided into six tiers. Tier 1: Yokozuna Tier 2: Ozeki Tier 3: "True" jo'i-jin. This is currently Sekiwake to M3e, but it will change according to how many people are ranked Ozeki and Yokozuna. Tier 4: Mid-Makuuchi: M3w to M8w Tier 5: Low Makuuchi: M9e to M14w Tier 6: Edge Makuuchi: M15e, M15w and M16e Each tier is given a "par score" depending on how many wins someone ranked in the tier is expected, statistically, to get, based on the records over the last 26 basho. The "par scores" are indicated in bold red on the top of each tier in the banzuke below. In addition, each rikishi is given a Handicap. Rikishi get 1 Handicap point by winning more than their tier's par score in the last basho, and -1 points if they win less than their tier's par score. They also get 1 point for every Tier they have dropped down between this basho and the previous, or -1 points for every tier they have climbed up. Handicaps for each rikishi are indicated in cyan next to each shikona. Please note that I will always calculate par scores and Handicaps by myself. No Sumo Gamer will ever be expected to calculate them him/herself. HOW TO PLAY Before the basho starts, you have to pick ONE rikishi from each Tier, so SIX rikishi in total. The sum of your six rikishi's Handicaps must be MINUS TWO OR LESS. After the basho ends, the gamer whose rikishi have gotten the most wins above par gets the yusho. So, the point of the game is to pick the rikishi you think will get the most wins above par. If any of your rikishi go kyujo, that will reflect negatively on your score, unless you have assigned a "blood replacement" to their tiers. Blood replacements are rikishi you can put in to substitute your absent picks. They can only substitute rikishi of their own tier, and must have a Handicap equal to or lower than that of your original pick. Blood replacements are limited to 2 per player and 1 per tier. HANDICAP BANZUKE TIER 1 (11.7 wins) Harumafuji (+1) Y (-1) Hakuho Kakuryu (-1) Y TIER 2 (8.9 wins) Kisenosato (+1) O (-1) Terunofuji Goeido (-1) O (-1) Kotoshogiku TIER 3 (6.2 wins) Takayasu (+1) S (+1) Takarafuji Kaisei (+1) K (+1) Tochiozan Okinoumi (+1) M1 (0) Yoshikaze Tochinoshin (-1) M2 (0) Shodai Takanoiwa (-1) M3 TIER 4 (7.6 wins) M3 (+1) Ichinojo Myogiryu (-1) M4 (+1) Chiyootori Aoiyama (+1) M5 (0) Mitakeumi Chiyonokuni (0) M6 (0) Tamawashi Shohozan (-1) M7 (-1) Ikioi Daishomaru (-1) M8 (+1) Kotoyuki TIER 5 (7.2 wins) Nishikigi (+1) M9 (0) Takekaze Arawashi (0) M10 (-1) Sadanoumi Sokokurai (-1) M11 (-1) Homarefuji Gagamaru (-1) M12 (-1) Chiyoshoma Amakaze (-1) M13 (-1) Toyohibiki Endo (0) M14 (-1) Kagayaki TIER 6 (6.6 wins) Tokushoryu (0) M15 (0) Kyokushuho Daieisho (0) M16 Thanks to Asashosakari, Achiyama and Kintamayama for providing feedback during the game's embryonic phase. Special thanks to Asashosakari for the valuable insight on ideal handicap mechanics and for making my life easier with the par score calculations from Tier 3 down (Tiers 1 and 2 function a bit differently).Special thanks to Achiyama as well for volunteering in good spirit to test the game in Nagoya... and literally beating me at my own game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted August 31, 2016 This thread functions as an invitation thread as well as a place where you can submit your picks. You can also submit your picks by PM. Please submit your picks like this: Tier 1 Geoffrey Boycott Tier 2 Boycott's mum Tier 3 Boycott's nan- blood replacement: a stick of rhubarb Tier 4 Boycott's auntie Annie Tier 5 Henry Blofeld- blood replacement: uncovered pitches Tier 6 Jonathan Agnew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YokozunaAmaTheFgtOne 0 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Tier 1: Hakuho Tier 2: Terunofuji Tier 3: Tochinosin Tier 4:Myogiryu Tier 5: Takekaze Tier 6:Kyuokushuho BRs Tier 1: Kakuryu Edited September 8, 2016 by YokozunaAmaTheFgtOne Just learned Hakuho is kyujo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Let"s give this a try... Tier 1 -- Hakuho BR: Kakuryu Tier 2 -- Kisenosato Tier 3 -- Tochinoshin Tier 4 -- Myogiryu Tier 5 -- Henri Blofeld Chiyoshoma Tier 6 -- Kyokushuho On 31.08.2016 at 22:46, McBugger said: TIER 3 (6.2 wins) Shouldn"t that be 8.2? Edited September 8, 2016 by orandashoho Hakuho kyujo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,927 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Tier 1 Hakuho BR: Kakuryu Tier 2 Kisenosato Tier 3 Tochinoshin Tier 4 Ikioi BR: Shohozan Tier 5 Endo BR: Sadanoumi Tier 6 Kyokushuho edit: Promoted Kakuryu to main squad, added Shohozan as a backup instead. Edited September 10, 2016 by Gurowake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted August 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, orandashoho said: Let"s give this a try... Tier 1 -- Hakuho Tier 2 -- Kisenosato Tier 3 -- Tochinoshin Tier 4 -- Myogiryu Tier 5 -- Henri Blofeld Chiyoshoma Tier 6 -- Kyokushuho Shouldn"t that be 8.2? Nope. The people in tier 3 get scheduled against pretty much every Y/O/S they are allowed to face and thus their records are consistently the poorest in the division. Tier 3 for this very reason is often referred to as "the meatgrinder". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,320 Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) 1. hakuho Kakuryu 2. kisenosato 3. Yoshikaze (Tochinoshin) 4. Ikioi 5. Sadanoumi 6. Kyokushuho (Tokushoryu) Edited September 10, 2016 by Jejima Hakuho's kyujo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Tier 1 Hakuhou BR: Kakuryuu Tier 2 Kisenosato Tier 3 Tochinoshin Tier 4 Ikioi BR: Myougiryuu Tier 5 Soukokurai Tier 6 Kyokushuuhou Edited September 1, 2016 by McBugger Jesus Jumping Christ what an embarassment. Myougiryuu of course blood-subbing Ikioi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted September 1, 2016 13 hours ago, McBugger said: Nope. The people in tier 3 get scheduled against pretty much every Y/O/S they are allowed to face and thus their records are consistently the poorest in the division. Tier 3 for this very reason is often referred to as "the meatgrinder". Oh yes, of course. Duh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achiyama 1,223 Posted September 1, 2016 Hi Leonidas, Good luck with your new game. άνεμος εκ των όπισθεν we say in Bulgaria. Here is my entry for 2016 Aki: Tier 1: Hakuho (-1) Tier 2: Kisenosato (+1) Tier 3: Shodai (0) BR: Tochinoshin (-1) Tier 4: Ikioi (-1) BR: Shohozan (-1) Tier 5: Sadanoumi (-1) Tier 6: Tokushoryu (0) Total: -2 (or -3 if Shodai goes kyujo) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,927 Posted September 1, 2016 11 hours ago, McBugger said: Tier 1 Hakuhou BR: Kakuryuu Tier 2 Kisenosato Tier 3 Tochinoshin BR: Myougiryuu Tier 4 Ikioi Tier 5 Soukokurai Tier 6 Kyokushuuhou Uh, Myogiryu is not in the same tier as Tochinoshin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Gurowake said: Uh, Myogiryu is not in the same tier as Tochinoshin. Corrected duly. Gods, I really should proofread my posts in Trivia Bits and my own threads.Cheers for the save. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toratorii 10 Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Kakuryu Terunofuji Yoshikaze BR: Tochinoshin Ikioi Endo BR: Sokokurai Kyokushuho ~Torafujii Edited September 10, 2016 by Toratorii I corrected the BR selections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhorCillic 51 Posted September 7, 2016 Kakuryu [-1] Kotoshogiku [-1] Tochinoshin [-1] BR: Yoshikaze [0] Ikioi [-1] Sokokurai [-1] BR: Endo [0] Kyokushuho [0] Handicap -5 (-3) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suwihuto 125 Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Tier 1 Kakuryu Tier 2 Kotoshogiku Tier 3 Shodai - BR - Yoshikaze Tier 4 Myogiryu Tier 5 Endo Tier 6 Daieisho - BR - Tokushoryu Edited September 8, 2016 by Suwihuto Hak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,901 Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Tier 1 Kakuryu Tier 2 Kisenosato Tier 3 Tochinoshin Tier 4 Mitakeumi Tier 5 Gagamaru Tier 6 Daieiosho Edited September 9, 2016 by Ogami Ittō Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 7, 2016 4 hours ago, PhorCillic said: Kakuryu [-1] Kotoshogiku [-1] Tochinoshin [-1] BR: Yoshikaze [0] Ikioi [-1] Sokokurai [-1] BR: Endo [0] Kyokushuho [0] Handicap -5 (-3) Blood replacements must have a lower or equal handicap to your first picks. Feel free to edit your picks; if you leave them this way, you will have no backup in case of kyujo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted September 8, 2016 I just want to have something confirmed before I enter. I'm not sure I understand the +/- system. For example, let's take Tier 1. Par = 11,7 wins Harumafuji (+1) Kakuryu (-1) Let's assume that Harumafuji and Kakuryu both get 11 wins. Does this mean that Harumafuji will get 11+1=12 points and thus be above par, whereas Kakuryu will get 11-1=10 and thus be below par? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Senkoho said: I just want to have something confirmed before I enter. I'm not sure I understand the +/- system. For example, let's take Tier 1. Par = 11,7 wins Harumafuji (+1) Kakuryu (-1) Let's assume that Harumafuji and Kakuryu both get 11 wins. Does this mean that Harumafuji will get 11+1=12 points and thus be above par, whereas Kakuryu will get 11-1=10 and thus be below par? No, the +/- system does not factor into the par scores. In your example, both Harumafuji and Kakuryuu are 0.7 wins below par. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,599 Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Tier 1: Kakuryu (-1) Tier 2: Kisenosato (+1) Tier 3: Tochinoshin (-1) Tier 4: Ikioi (-1) BR: Myogiryu (-1) Tier 5: Endo (0) BR: Sokokurai (-1) Tier 6: Kyokushuho (0) Edited September 9, 2016 by Tenshinhan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) TIER 1 Kakuryu (-1) TIER 2 Kisenosato (+1) TIER 3 Tochinoshin (-1) TIER 4 Ikioi (-1) TIER 5 Endo (0) BR: Sokokurai (-1) TIER 6 Kyokushuho (0) BR: Daieisho (0) Edited September 9, 2016 by Senkoho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 9, 2016 The sansho prizes will be awarded as follows: GINO-SHO: Most wins above par off the least popular pick. SHUKUN-SHO: Most picks with wins above par. KANTO-SHO: Most (wins above par off picks with a negative Handicap)/ (number of picks with a negative Handicap) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhorCillic 51 Posted September 9, 2016 On 7.09.2016 at 23:13, McBugger said: Blood replacements must have a lower or equal handicap to your first picks. Feel free to edit your picks; if you leave them this way, you will have no backup in case of kyujo. Hmmm... So I am switching them. Kakuryu [-1]Kotoshogiku [-1]Yoshikaze [0] BR: Tochinoshin [-1]Ikioi [-1]Endo [0] BR: Sokokurai [-1]Kyokushuho [0] Handicap -3 (-5) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 9, 2016 21 hours ago, Tenshinhan said: Tier 1: Kakuryu (-1) Tier 2: Kisenosato (+1) Tier 3: Tochinoshin (-1) Tier 4: Ikioi (-1) BR: Myogiryu (-1) Tier 5: Endo (0) BR: Sokokurai (-1) Tier 6: Kyokushuho (0) BR: Tokushoryu (0) You can have a maximum of 2 blood replacements. If you do not edit your pick before the first bout, I will delete one at random. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 9, 2016 On 9/6/2016 at 19:08, Toratorii said: Kakuryu Terunofuji Tochinoshin BR: Yoshikaze Ikioi Sokokurai BR: Endo Kyokushuho ~Torafujii Blood replacements must have a lower or equal handicap to your first picks. Feel free to edit your picks; if you leave them this way, you will have no backup in case of kyujo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites