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Banzuke Aki 2016

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fresh from the NSK website:

Harumafuji   Y   Hakuho

Kakuryu   Y

Kisenosato   O   Terunofuji

Goeido   O   Kotoshogiku

Takayasu   S   Takarafuji

Kaisei   K   Tochiozan

Okinoumi   M1   Yoshikaze

Tochinoshin   M2   Shodai

Takanoiwa   M3   Ichinojo

Myogiryu   M4   Chiyootori

Aoiyama   M5   Mitakeumi

Chiyonokuni   M6   Tamawashi

Shohozan   M7   Ikioi

Daishomaru   M8   Kotoyuki

Nishikigi   M9   Takekaze

Arawashi   M10   Sadanoumi

Sokokurai   M11   Homarefuji

Gagamaru   M12   Chiyoshoma

Amakaze   M13   Toyohibiki

Endo   M14   Kagayaki

Tokushoryu   M15 Kyokushuho

Daieisho   M16

 

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and Juryo:

Ura   J1   Osunaarashi  (did anyone predict that J1 couple?)

Seiro   J2   Kitaharima

Azumaryu   J3   Amuru

Hidenoumi   J4   Chiyotairyu

Chiyomaru   J5   Sadanofuji

Ishiura   J6   Daiki

Tsurugisho   J7   Asasekiryu

Toyonoshima   J8   Chiyoo

Sato   J9   Satoyama   (over-satorated pairing...)

Kotoeko   J10   Aminishiki

Asabenkei   J11   Kizenryu

Onosho   J12   Asahisho

Kyokutaisei   J13   Wakanoshima

Fujiazuma   J14   Kitataiki

 

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Upper Makushita:

Oyanagi   ms1   Daishoho

Yamaguchi   ms2   Ryuden

Meisei   ms3   Sakamoto

Ryusei   ms4   Sakigake

Dewahayate   ms5   Rikishin

Mugendai   ms6   Akiseyama

Shimanoumi   ms7   Iwasaki

Kairyu   ms8   Tochihiryu

Tamaasuka   ms9   Tochimaru

Tokushinho   ms10   Akua

Shiba   ms11   Onami

Tenkaiho   ms12   Shotenro

Asakoki   ms13   Masunosho

Sagatsukasa   ms14   Irodori

Aozora   ms15   Higonojo

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Wow! Osunaarashi gets demoted from M3 to J1 while Amakaze catapults from J11 to M13 - didn't see that coming...

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Massive punishment to Osunaararashi for being constantly injured.  Not even J1e is a huge slight in my mind.

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19 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Massive punishment to Osunaararashi for being constantly injured.  Not even J1e is a huge slight in my mind.

Well, I just compared Juryo to what I projected, and the kyujos are further down there as well.  They keep getting less and less nice to kyujo sekitori.

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The last time a M3e guy got booted back to Juryo for 0 wins was 1770! (Totally ignoring everything that's different)

Anyway this whole trend makes it useless to think they'll bring back injury protection anytime soon...

 

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7 minutes ago, Sumozumo said:

The last time a M3e guy got booted back to Juryo for 0 wins was 1770! (Totally ignoring everything that's different)

Anyway this whole trend makes it useless to think they'll bring back injury protection anytime soon...

 

Can you give some background on injury protection? I'd love to know

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20 minutes ago, tarako said:

Can you give some background on injury protection? I'd love to know

I assume he's talking about (from Wikipedia):

kōshō seido (公傷制度)

Public Injury System. Introduced in 1972, this system allowed a wrestler who had been injured in the ring during a tournament to sit out the next tournament without any effect on his rank. It was controversially abolished at the end of 2003.

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One thing with the new Kyokai web site that's a positive is that the Banzuke Topics are posted in English already.  http://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoTopics/banzuke_topics

edit: It also uses a few different turns of phrase, so my guess is that they have a completely new web operation along with English translator.

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This basho I think it will be interesting following 

Shoudai and Mitakeumi in Makuuchi division, the two newcomers and

Ura and Ishiura in the Juryo division. It will be hard for them when some has been demoted to this division.

At the same time Let us see how it goes with Kisenosato and his achivement to become a Yokozuna

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Here I have made a pdf file of the list that Kuroimori has made of Makuuchi division and Juryo division and upper makushita division

so you can download this file here.

Banzuke September 2016.pdf

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Looks like NSK have lost their knowledge on how capital letters work in English... All the shikona start with small letters on their banzuke.

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1 hour ago, Morty said:

Methinks Takanoiwa is out of his depth at M3...

Yep, he is up for the rough sanyaku initiation rituals...

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With Aminishiki being so low down in Juryo, it will be impossible to regain Makuuchi rank in one basho even if he wins the yusho. :-(

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1 hour ago, orandashoho said:

With Aminishiki being so low down in Juryo, it will be impossible to regain Makuuchi rank in one basho even if he wins the yusho. :-(

... given that there's a counterexample from the current banzuke, it's not quite impossible.  

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Put Osunaarashi's demotion in that context: They give him easier opponents, knowing of what he is capable of, so that his fights next basho will be more easy, and thus better chances to heal his injuries, to recover and comming back to makuuchi in a better physical state.

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4 hours ago, Tsubame said:

Put Osunaarashi's demotion in that context: They give him easier opponents, knowing of what he is capable of, so that his fights next basho will be more easy, and thus better chances to heal his injuries, to recover and comming back to makuuchi in a better physical state.

The other side of the coin :-)

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The NSK's kaimei  rikishi page shows Shikoku changes for Amakaze and Houkahou.  I did not see any discernible changes on that page.  What was changed? 

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3 hours ago, Muhomatsu said:

The NSK's kaimei  rikishi page shows Shikoku changes for Amakaze and Houkahou.  I did not see any discernible changes on that page.  What was changed? 

First names - but they don't show them or a direct link to the rikishi full name on the kaimei page

e.g. Amakaze:

13 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

And the really lucky new makuuchi - Amakaze

he can change his name plate one group up from juryo

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he changed his first name to that of the oyakata: from 2 to 1 - Kouichi 浩一  instead of Kouji 浩二  - Sumo Reference still has Kento, his real first  name, which he changed to Kouji before the Natsu-basho

And the promised more information on the heya page also doesn't give the first name of Hokaho - only for sekitori first names are shown and only they have an individual page.

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As for me, Juryo bouts are going to be very interesting to watch with the likes of Ura, Aminishiki, Toyonoshima, Osu, Ishuira, Satoyama, Daiki, Amuru, ...  Although, I think Toyonoshima may not do well so soon after a serious injury.   

This is a 2nd time for Shodai to be fighting at upper M rank.    Let's see if he can stick around this time.    I think he will.  Both Kotos need to come back from the last basho's showing.  I give Kotoyuki a better chance to improve on his last basho.   I expect Kotoshogiku to barely keep his Ozeki title a la Terunofusi in the last basho.  Endo will make a comeback and move up the rank.  

In Aki basho, I expect the same from Icinojo - a strong start followed by a fizzle after a few losses.

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20 hours ago, kuroimori said:

Yep, he is up for the rough sanyaku initiation rituals...

16th spot overall, no heya advantage like his shisho would have had... wouldn't surprise me too see the man face every single one of the yaku-rikishi from Y1e to K1w.

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