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Otake beya has a couple of new guys. One is half Polish and grew up between there, here and the Czech Republic he told me this morning.

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Here's a photo from this morning. Age 21. No prior sumo experience but reasonably athletic (though not flexible). Similar in size to Ginseizan (on right of the picture).

The other new guy is 15 and seems to have zero aptitude for sumo. Very weak physically too.

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Otake beya has a couple of new guys. One is half Polish and grew up between there, here and the Czech Republic he told me this morning.

Any more info on him? His name, story of how he came up with the idea etc?

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The other new guy is 15 and seems to have zero aptitude for sumo. Very weak physically too.

The age is working for him.

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The other new guy is 15 and seems to have zero aptitude for sumo. Very weak physically too.

The age is working for him.

As long as he has maximum aptitude in perseverance, he will overcome.

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It took him a while, but now he has officially joined Musashigawa-beya:

Actually not really a new recruit yet:
Ichiro Young (17, 176cm, 100kg) from Texas with a Japanese mother and (double) nationality made a trial entry for a week into Musashigawa-beya. Just graduated from Houston High and dreams of becoming a pilot - but also wants to try sumo: "Everything about it is fun", his mother encouraged him to do it. In his summer vacations since 4th grade primary school he went to a school in Nagasaki, the home of his mother, and speaks a bit Japanese.
The oyakata: "His movements aren't bad. He's giving his best."
http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2016/06/04/0009149779.shtml

If all goes smoothly he'll be in the shindeshi kensa for Aki.

"For sumo I ate a lot": he gained 10kg and is now at 110.

The oyakata: "A fast dash, like a rocket. I want to make him do oshi-zumo."

Plans for the shikona are either something with Young in Japanese (Waka) or Ichiromaru.

Ichiro in baseball gets much attention in the US, so: "I also want to become one (Ichiro) who gets attention. I want to become famous."

http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2016/08/03/0009348212.shtml
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It's usually talented, and desperately motivated ones who makes it. If someone says I need to help my mother and two siblings back in a war torn country, I'd give him 60% chance that he will make it to sekitori. Wants to try sumo b/c it is fun? He will find out soon enough Sumo training & life isn't fun and games.

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Is it just me or do these rikishi who the oyakata want to do oshi sumo never turn out that great.

They seem to make it to sanyaku and ozeki regularly enough, and Akebono was primarily a pusher/shover as I recall, but yeah, all the best ones seem to me to be yotsu specialists who can deal with anything.

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Is it just me or do these rikishi who the oyakata want to do oshi sumo never turn out that great.

They seem to make it to sanyaku and ozeki regularly enough, and Akebono was primarily a pusher/shover as I recall, but yeah, all the best ones seem to me to be yotsu specialists who can deal with anything.

well I've been observing these new rikishi for about an year and it seems like anybody with long arms, they want to do oshi sumo. On someone like Osunaarashi, it seems to me like a waste, because hes a bit too slow for it, and has obvious potential on the belt, having beat Harumafuji from a chest-to-chest belt match.

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Is it just me or do these rikishi who the oyakata want to do oshi sumo never turn out that great.

They seem to make it to sanyaku and ozeki regularly enough, and Akebono was primarily a pusher/shover as I recall, but yeah, all the best ones seem to me to be yotsu specialists who can deal with anything.

well I've been observing these new rikishi for about an year and it seems like anybody with long arms, they want to do oshi sumo. On someone like Osunaarashi, it seems to me like a waste, because hes a bit too slow for it, and has obvious potential on the belt, having beat Harumafuji from a chest-to-chest belt match.

Oosunaarashi has always been a "belter'. He became a "pusher" when he entered Oozumo but he can still match any of them on the belt.

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Pushme-Pullyous are easier to train. Unfortunately, they are more susceptible to injury and are more inconsistent in their sumo.

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well I've been observing these new rikishi for about an year and it seems like anybody with long arms, they want to do oshi sumo. On someone like Osunaarashi, it seems to me like a waste, because hes a bit too slow for it, and has obvious potential on the belt, having beat Harumafuji from a chest-to-chest belt match.

Oosunaarashi has always been a "belter'. He became a "pusher" when he entered Oozumo but he can still match any of them on the belt.

yes, but I remember distinctly his oyakata in a few documentaries about Osu when he just got to Japan, saying he wanted him to do oshi sumo. To me, Osunaarashi has a higher percentage of winning when he is on the belt. Same thing with Homarenishiki: Brodi went in a belt guy, became a pusher-thruster because of his oyakata. Just seems strange to me sitting here in my underwear. I'm sure there is a very obvious sumo reason for it.

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Brodi looked uncomfortable with the thrusting, and it often left him tensely upright and in a vulnerable position once someone got close. Considering this, and that he'd been using a yotsu style in all the amatuer footage I've seen dating back to when he was 15, I would've like to him shifting his attention to the belt. Sure, he is tall and has long arms, but that doesn't necessarily mean that an Akebono style is for him, and we've seen tall rikishi like Kotooshu and Baruto excel with yotsu..

Osu is a good thruster and can use it effectively at a high level, but I do think that at times he needlessly gives up space off the belt when he'd be better served by coming forward and getting a grip on his opponent. His loss to Nishikigi was a case of this in my opinion.

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Is it just me or do these rikishi who the oyakata want to do oshi sumo never turn out that great.

They seem to make it to sanyaku and ozeki regularly enough, and Akebono was primarily a pusher/shover as I recall, but yeah, all the best ones seem to me to be yotsu specialists who can deal with anything.
Not sure why you brought up Akebono there, the oyakata is Musashimaru (who was also a pusher).

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Is it just me or do these rikishi who the oyakata want to do oshi sumo never turn out that great.

They seem to make it to sanyaku and ozeki regularly enough, and Akebono was primarily a pusher/shover as I recall, but yeah, all the best ones seem to me to be yotsu specialists who can deal with anything.
Not sure why you brought up Akebono there, the oyakata is Musashimaru (who was also a pusher).

Well, alluding to another thread hereabouts, "these rikishi" and "the oyakata want" are plural, so I read it as a general rather than specific query and answered generally from my own experience, which includes Akebono but not Musashimaru.

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well I've been observing these new rikishi for about an year and it seems like anybody with long arms, they want to do oshi sumo. On someone like Osunaarashi, it seems to me like a waste, because hes a bit too slow for it, and has obvious potential on the belt, having beat Harumafuji from a chest-to-chest belt match.

Oosunaarashi has always been a "belter'. He became a "pusher" when he entered Oozumo but he can still match any of them on the belt.

yes, but I remember distinctly his oyakata in a few documentaries about Osu when he just got to Japan, saying he wanted him to do oshi sumo. To me, Osunaarashi has a higher percentage of winning when he is on the belt. Same thing with Homarenishiki: Brodi went in a belt guy, became a pusher-thruster because of his oyakata. Just seems strange to me sitting here in my underwear. I'm sure there is a very obvious sumo reason for it.

Push and thrust seems to be the way to do sumo in Japan (tradition maybe?). I've seen training bouts being halted because a kid's not pushing forward, but not going for the belt in a yotsu battle doesn't even get mentioned. Edited by mikawa

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Konishki posted live video from asageiko from Musashigawa beya and Ichiro was there.  He looks very strong, promising young man...

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41 minutes ago, kawika said:

Konishki posted live video from asageiko from Musashigawa beya and Ichiro was there.  He looks very strong, promising young man...

Where?

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1 hour ago, kawika said:

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hey thanks. Do you know what advice he was giving after the first bout? I would kill to get in on some of that Konishiki sumo advice goodness. 

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Can someone verify this?
Looks like their newest foreign recruit when Tokitenku retires? Or was he just there for training exchange?

Tokitsukaze

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On August 3, 2016 at 18:53, Akinomaki said:

It took him a while, but now he has officially joined Musashigawa-beya:

If all goes smoothly he'll be in the shindeshi kensa for Aki.

"For sumo I ate a lot": he gained 10kg and is now at 110.

The oyakata: "A fast dash, like a rocket. I want to make him do oshi-zumo."

Plans for the shikona are either something with Young in Japanese (Waka) or Ichiromaru.

Ichiro in baseball gets much attention in the US, so: "I also want to become one (Ichiro) who gets attention. I want to become famous."

http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2016/08/03/0009348212.shtml
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So few wrestlers of his extraction have been in sumo.  I hope he makes it all the way to the top.  Watching the Olympics recently it is so obvious how skewed sports are by race.  I know there are reasons for this, but I want us to get beyond the those reasons.  Go Waka-ichiro!

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1 hour ago, Asameshimae said:

So few wrestlers of his extraction have been in sumo.  I hope he makes it all the way to the top.  Watching the Olympics recently it is so obvious how skewed sports are by race.  I know there are reasons for this, but I want us to get beyond the those reasons.  Go Waka-ichiro!

Oh please, not here..... please no.. you can't have a bowl of fruit loops without someone mentioning race anymore...

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