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Just posted on the NSK homepage (japanese version):

Makuuchi division :

Hakuho Y1 Kakuryu

Harumafuji Y2

Kisenosato O1 Kotoshogiku

Goeido O2 Terunofuji

Kaisei S Tochinoshin

Kotoyuki K Takayasu

Mitakeumi M1 Tochiozan

Okinoumi M2 Takarafuji

Osunaarashi M3 Myogiryu

Shohozan M4 Ikioi

Shodai M5 Yoshikaze

Aoiyama M6 Endo

Ichinojo M7 Daishomaru

Chiyoootori M8 Takekaze

Chiyonokuni M9 Sokokurai

Takanoiwa M10 Sadanoumi

Toyonoshima M11 Daieisho

Tamawashi M12 Tokushoryu

Toyohibiki M13 Aminishiki

Kagayaki M14 Nishikigi

Kitaharima M15 Sadanofuji

Arawashi M16

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Juryo division :

Gagamaru J1 Azumaryu

Hidenoumi J2 Chiyotairyu

Seiro J3 Chiyoshoma

Homarefuji J4 Satoyama

Ishiura J5 Amuru

Kyokushuho J6 Sato

Chiyoo J7 Asabenkei

Fujiazuma J8 Ura

Chiyomaru J9 Asahisho

Tsurugisho J10 Asasekiryu

Dewahayate J11 Amakaze

Onosho J12 Kitataiki

Kyokutaisei J13 Daiki

Kotoeko J14 Shimanoumi

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Makushita upper division:

Kizenryu ms1 Sakigake

Jokoryu ms2 Akiseyama

Tamaasuka ms3 Wakanoshima

Daishoho ms4 Abi

Meisei ms5 Kansei

Sakamoto ms6 Tenkaiho

Ryuden ms7 Oyanagi

Rikishin ms8 Yamaguchi

Kagamio ms9 Hakuyozan

Aozora ms10 Iwasaki

Akinokawa ms11 Kotomisen

Goryu ms12 Hishofuji

Tokushinho ms13 Mugendai

Shosei ms14 Onami

Okinofuji ms15 Tochihiryu

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Finally, sekiwake Tochinoshin!

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About the only thing that makes any sense to me regarding Takayasu vs. Mitakeumi can also be seen in how Shodai (9-6 M6w) failed to get M1w last basho over Takarafuji (6-9 Kw), but Tochiozan (8-7 M5e) did get M1w over Okinoumi (6-9 Kw) this basho: they are generally biased against rikishi new to the division. The only other explanation is that they intentionally do what's not expected based on recent past situations just to be weird.

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About the only thing that makes any sense to me regarding Takayasu vs. Mitakeumi can also be seen in how Shodai (9-6 M6w) failed to get M1w last basho over Takarafuji (6-9 Kw), but Tochiozan (8-7 M5e) did get M1w over Okinoumi (6-9 Kw) this basho: they are generally biased against rikishi new to the division. The only other explanation is that they intentionally do what's not expected based on recent past situations just to be weird.

New committee in charge for the first time would be my explanation. Makushita also looks a lot different with 4-3's being favoured over 5-2's again (unlike the last couple of years) and MKs being dropped less harshly than before.

Notable straight-up deviation from a recent case:

2015.07->09:

Sw Ichinojo 4-11 -> M4e

M2e Takayasu 6-9 -> M3w

2016.05->07:

Sw Ikioi 4-11 -> M4w

M2e Shodai 6-9 -> M5e

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Yeah, going through the lower divisions I definitely saw that I was high with all my 5-2s and low with all my 4-3s in Makushita, when normally I'm low on 5-2s. Definitely major change-up of personnel.

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Musashikuni makes his Makushita division debut at ms54w.

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Amidst all the bad rumors going around, Homarenishiki is ranked at Jonidan 37 West - his last ever banzuke appearance...?

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Terunofuji's been doing well in keiko recently, but the real test is next month. Will he be able to avoid the drop?

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I can't believe that noone has exact informations about what is/was going on with Homarenishiki. I don't even want to know what happened right now, i just want a definite statement if he is in, or out. Time WILL in the end reveal, what happened. Come on guys, this is the age of the internet, you can't hide the truth forever anymore. That's one point that really annoys me, regarding the japanese culture, all that keeping it secret so that nobody looses his face. I thought they learned from earlier scandals, but obviously i was wrong. In the end it will blow and the damage will be even more devastating. BAKA!

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Congrats to Shin Sekiwake's Kaisei and Tochinoshin, as well as Shin Komusubi Kotoyuki (well, it is his debut at that rank)

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the pics as overview fit in here - nothing new for him, but he's in the focus
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the new sekiwake - the sekiwake rank all in the hands of foreigners

Kaisei, with Tomozuna-oyakata
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Tochinoshin, with Kasugano-oyakata

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new makuuchi Kitaharima, with Yamahibiki-oyakata

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Congrats to Shin Sekiwake's Kaisei and Tochinoshin, as well as Shin Komusubi Kotoyuki (well, it is his debut at that rank)

Incidentally, the NSK's banzuke topics update (not yet available in English) points out that the Kaisei/Tochinoshin sekiwake debuts are coming on the heels of those by Kotoyuki and Ikioi two months ago. It's the first time since 1944 (!) that there are back-to-back double debuts at the rank.

Also, Tochinoshin is the first rikishi ever to go komusubi -> makushita -> sekiwake.

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... Tochinoshin is the first rikishi ever to go komusubi -> makushita -> sekiwake.

Is that the result of an East/West cultural difference?

"I'll do better if I stop to get myself fixed up" vs "I need fixing up, but I daren't stop and lose rank".

I'm not holding my breath, but hopefully a few of the younger, less hidebound Japanese/Mongolian rikishi will take note...

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By making it to Sekiwake, both Kaisei and Tochinoshin have tied with their shisho for career highest rank.

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Now that Kaisei and Tochinoshin are on an Ozeki run (in the titled ranks and on winning streak counts as the start of an Ozeki run), I wonder how many Ozeki we can manage to get at one time? I think the association would start to get a bit worried if they end up with say six to eight Ozeki all at the same time. ;-)

Not that I expect it to happen.

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Now that Kaisei and Tochinoshin are on an Ozeki run (in the titled ranks and on winning streak counts as the start of an Ozeki run), I wonder how many Ozeki we can manage to get at one time? I think the association would start to get a bit worried if they end up with say six to eight Ozeki all at the same time. ;-)

Not that I expect it to happen.

Any more than 7 Y + O is pretty much unsustainable. There have been 8 for very short periods of time, but they didn't last very long and the one I'm most thinking of had tons of them from the same heya (Musashimaru, Musoyama, Dejima, Miyabayama), which helps a whole lot, and note how two of those didn't stay Ozeki all that long. The previous and only other instance, before Futahaguro's retirement, was stable for a while with 7 after he left, but there were a ton of 8-7 records; I have to think that if Futahaguro stayed around, one of the other Ozeki wouldn't have been able to stay as long as he did.

While we might say that Ichinojo, Osunaarashi, Mitakeumi, and Shodai are all decent calls for Ozeki in the long-term, the reality is that it's unlikely any of them will make it until the 6 old guys up top have mostly retired. Tochinoshin and Kaisei are at or past their peak and even Kotomitsuki who made Ozeki well past a normal age showed much higher promise when he first came up than either of the two new Sekiwake.

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I believe Kotoyuki has it in him to be a chiyotaikai-like ozeki. Maybe not with 3 yusho, but at least a regular fix.

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Congrats to Shin Sekiwake's Kaisei and Tochinoshin, as well as Shin Komusubi Kotoyuki (well, it is his debut at that rank)

Incidentally, the NSK's banzuke topics update (not yet available in English) points out that the Kaisei/Tochinoshin sekiwake debuts are coming on the heels of those by Kotoyuki and Ikioi two months ago. It's the first time since 1944 (!) that there are back-to-back double debuts at the rank.

Also, Tochinoshin is the first rikishi ever to go komusubi -> makushita -> sekiwake.

I was thinking about this when I saw the banzuke, I was pretty sure it was a rare occurrence but nice to know how rare it certainly was! Nice to see Tochinoshin finally seeing his efforts paying off.

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A very short shikona change list this time, only three in addition to the already-announced shin-Juryo Shimanoumi.

J14w Hamaguchi > Shimanoumi (志摩ノ海)

Mk55e Mizuta > Takakento (貴健斗)

Jd55w Nakatsuji > Kaishinmaru (魁新丸)

Jd73e Hayashi > Akitoba (諒兎馬)

Seems like it was an eye problem that caused Dairaido to be kyujo for the first time in his career in the Natsu basho. As a result, he has dropped to the Sandanme division for the first time since 1999 Kyushu!

Dairaido.jpg

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And the same distribution in the morning papers
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Japanese and foreign clearly divided by kimono color

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Trivia quiz: what makes this banzuke special, along with 2015.01, 2007.01, and 2003.09?

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Congrats to Shin Sekiwake's Kaisei and Tochinoshin, as well as Shin Komusubi Kotoyuki (well, it is his debut at that rank)

Kotoyuki showed his potential to be the next Ozeki by going 7-8 in his Sekiwake debut. He can use another "go to" technique/skill if he wants to be an Ozeki.

My random thoughts on Nagoya Basho:

  • I will follow how Mitakeumi does against all the top dogs. If he goes 7-8 in Nagoya, I'd be really happy.
  • How well can Shodai recover from his first makekoshi? I think he will go somewhere near 10-5 in this basho.
  • Another tournament win for Hakuho? Very likely if he is fully healthy. He was unstoppable at the last basho.
  • Did Aminishki & Terunofusi fully recovered from their injury? My gut says "no" on Aminishki and "yes" on Terunofusi.
  • Can Ura win enough at Nagoya to join the Macuuchi division? I hope so but I think it will be really close. Ditto for Satoyama.
  • Can Hattorizakura win another match? Hmmm. I say that's a 20:1 long shot.
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Does Gagamaru move up since Toyonoshima is out?

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