Basho Talk - Haru Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[ScottyJoyJrBebe 97]

"Two Yusho or the Equivilant" has been more or less the principle I can see.

That's true, but the devil is in the details. The "equivalent" part of that is where things get tricky, and also the question of whether they'll admit runs consisting of more than two tournaments. We seem to be almost back to pre-Futahaguro standards now, with 13 wins being almost always admissible (unless the yusho is decided before Day 15), and 12-3's being good enough to keep a run alive. Especially the latter part is a significant departure from what was going on in the late 1980s and the 1990s; for a while 12-3 was basically worthless, except in the rare cases when it was a yusho. Still though, we've yet to see a successful extended run again, so it's hard to say just where they're going to draw the line.

I do think something like Konishiki's 13-2 Y -> 12-3 -> 13-2 Y would be a clear promotion now, possibly even if only one of those 13-2's is a yusho.

I suspect the only pre-Futahaguro thing we won't see again is a successful tsuna run without any yusho as part of it, unless it's being done by a super-accomplished ozeki (on the order of 4 or 5 prior yusho, basically a Kaio type).

Agree, Agree, and Agree.

Do you believe the NSK/YDC adjust the rules as THEY see fit?

I do believe I saw a link here once stating that 14-1 D/J was automatic, while 13-2 HAD to be either a D OR in contention till day 15 OR defeated the winner, while 12-3 would only count as a YUSHO or AS PART OF AN EXTENDED RUN.

My first chain response topic. I feel proud of myself. 10 more years and I'll be in the BIG LEAGUES with Asashosakari, Nishinoshima, AND Kintamayama.

[ScottyJoyJrBebe 97]

How long will it be before were talking about Kotoyuki's run???? (No jinx intended) (HHHHUUUU!!!!)

Lol - let him try for Ozeki first!

I can't help liking rikishi who do well, so I liked Kotoyuki this time, and I'm a little surprised he didn't get the kanto-sho too. Why couldn't they have given it to the winner of the bout, instead of only to Ikioi if he won?

Anyway, for me Yotokuki wasn't just the guy who did the Tom Jones impression any more (Totally off-topic, but it's not a bark and it's not a hoot; it's what every impersonator who tries to do Sir Tom Jones has been doing for the last 20 years! E.g.

[about 32s in]).

This could certainly be the start of an Ozeki run for Yotoyuki - he 'only' needs 21 wins from the next 2 bashos! But Yokozuna material? Nah, not yet.

My Apologies, I for one believe this is an ozeki Run, but I saw some on youtube posting "Kotoyuki for Yokozuna 2017" and I just lost it!!!!!!!!!!!

According to what I have read on this forum, Kotoyuki was in contention for the Kanto-Sho, but Isegahama Oyakata shot it down because his hands never touch the dohyo on the tachi-ai. I also believe he should have gotten both, Last time someone got 12-3 from M1 was 2004 (Hakuho)

HHHHUUUU!!!!

I agree, not yet, but 2 more basho with 11 wins should get him there.

[Fay 1,677]

some pics of the Yusho winners from Juryo to Jonokuchi. Extremely happy for Kotodaigo (well always happy for Kotos ;-) ) After an eye and a shoulder Operation he is back.

Yusho winners Juryo to Jonokuchi

my Kotodaigo :-)

Edited March 30, 2016 by Fay

[Kintamayama 44,164]

The criteria changed to back to back yushos around 1988 with the Futahaguro fiasco. It wasn't always back to back yushos- far from it, as can be illustrated just by looking at pre-Futahaguro promotions to Yokozuna. Futahaguro never had a yusho period and yet he beat his oyakata's wife.. So going back to anything before 1988 is wrong when trying to analyze the point at hand.

On the other hand, they've been backtracking from the two-yusho thing for nearly 15 years now (not so coincidentally the amount of time since the last Japanese yokozuna retired), which is pretty much the same length of time that they were enforcing it. Time for people to accept that it was just a phase, not the natural order of things.

No argument there- but you can't refer to the last 50 years as if the rules were the same, so Scotty's analysis doesn't hold water.

[Dapeng 232]

Even the bar is lowered to 2 consecutive non-yusho 13-wins, Kise still needs some good luck to get promoted. In his 26 basho as ozeki, he reached 13 wins in only 3 basho. It seems even putting 2 consecutive 13-wins are already very hard for him, not to say including a yusho.