Lucius Flavonius 0 Posted September 2, 2004 Hokutoriki got it real lenient. I also thought that Tochiazuma would be the third Ozeki rather than Musoyama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted September 2, 2004 As for Tochiazuma, he was technically not an Ozeki last basho (Sekiwake), therefore he is a "new" Ozeki this basho. I believe all new Ozeki are put in the last Ozeki slot when entering the ranks... the current Ozeki made their eight, so would (and did) remain ahead of Tochi. Barring injury, I don't think he'll remain in last slot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted September 2, 2004 As for Tochiazuma, he was technically not an Ozeki last basho (Sekiwake), therefore he is a "new" Ozeki this basho. I believe all new Ozeki are put in the last Ozeki slot when entering the ranks... No, not necessarily. In fact it is quite likely that a fresh ozeki does not get the last ozeki slot, since there are often existing ozeki with poor records, and the new ozeki always has a good record as sekiwake in the preceding basho. A returning ozeki with 10 wins is a little different, of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 3, 2004 As for Tochiazuma, he was technically not an Ozeki last basho (Sekiwake), therefore he is a "new" Ozeki this basho. I believe all new Ozeki are put in the last Ozeki slot when entering the ranks... No, not necessarily. In fact it is quite likely that a fresh ozeki does not get the last ozeki slot, since there are often existing ozeki with poor records, and the new ozeki always has a good record as sekiwake in the preceding basho. A returning ozeki with 10 wins is a little different, of course. Look at the past precedences of Ozeki and Yokozuna promotion. I think you'll find that it indeed IS quite likely that the new Yokozuna or Ozeki comes at the end of the line, no matter the records. Recently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted September 3, 2004 Look at the past precedences of Ozeki and Yokozuna promotion. I think you'll find that it indeed IS quite likely that the new Yokozuna or Ozeki comes at the end of the line, no matter the records. Recently. Did I say otherwise? But OK, let's have some figures. Latest ozeki promotions (new ozeki): Asashoryu - slot 5/5 Tochiazuma - slot 4/4 Kaio - slot 3/4 Miyabiyama - slot 2/4 Musoyama - slot 2/4 Dejima- slot 3/3 Chiyotaikai - slot 2/3 So we're both right. (You are going off-topic...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 3, 2004 Well, I should have written VERY recently, your list is going too far. Take Asahoryu's Ozeki promotion. He had a 12-3 while Musoyama was 0-0-15, without kosho IIRC (and kosho doesn't matter here anyway I think). Asashoryu landed behind Musoyama. This was the most extreme case possible bar the Ozeki candidate being 13-2 or better. I'd say this practically is a proof for new rules here. The same with his Yokozuna promotion, 14-1 yusho compared to 0-0-15 for Musashimaru. Asashoryu landed behind Musashimaru. Of course the Kyokai can change that any moment again, but I'd say these examples show pretty much that this is the recent standard unless we see a counter-example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted September 3, 2004 Well, I should have written VERY recently, your list is going too far. Take Asahoryu's Ozeki promotion. He had a 12-3 while Musoyama was 0-0-15, without kosho IIRC (and kosho doesn't matter here anyway I think). Asashoryu landed behind Musoyama. This was the most extreme case possible bar the Ozeki candidate being 13-2 or better. I'd say this practically is a proof for new rules here. The same with his Yokozuna promotion, 14-1 yusho compared to 0-0-15 for Musashimaru. Asashoryu landed behind Musashimaru. Of course the Kyokai can change that any moment again, but I'd say these examples show pretty much that this is the recent standard unless we see a counter-example. OK! I stand corrected. Well, I hope they reconsider their current practice. (Playing ball...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted September 4, 2004 OK! I stand corrected. Well, I hope they reconsider their current practice. (Playing ball...) Really, what difference does it make? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
