Basho Talk - Hatsu Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[wuli 67]

I guess they fixed that too.

do i detect a fixation?

[rhyen 1,799]

Did Akinomaki enjoy the karmic retribution in the musubinoichiban?

Edited January 22, 2016 by rhyen

[hamcornheinz 839]

Video of Kotoshogiku- Toyonoshima.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Suggestion for mods: would it be possible to make a hideable subthread for those who want to allege fixing in sumo. I am all for open discussion but am getting bloody sick of hearing it every time something predetermined by fans doesn't quite happen as written in the script.

[Irakusamaru 77]

Nah:

"Saschigai?"

"You know we will have to suspend Inosuke for more than 3 days well into the next tournament"

*sweat beads*

"Well, if we can't give it to Kisenosato without suspending Inosuke,let's call for tori-naoshi"

"Yeah, Kise should know what to do now that he has seen Harumafuji's tachiai"

Pft.

Head Shimpan: "Well, the video guy said H-Fu touched down first, I guess we'll have to..."

*Shikimori Inosuke sighs pointedly. His eyes narrow as he returns the shimpans' gaze. His hand creeps towards his tanto.*

Shimpans (in unison): Tori-naoshi.

[wuli 67]

Suggestion for mods: would it be possible to make a hideable subthread for those who want to allege fixing in sumo. I am all for open discussion but am getting bloody sick of hearing it every time something predetermined by fans doesn't quite happen as written in the script.

it's a harsh world

do you really want to redesign it around such delicate sensibilities?

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

It has nothing to with sensibilities. I am just tired of hearing the same bullshit all the time. Sorry.

[Asashosakari 18,652]

Suggestion for mods: would it be possible to make a hideable subthread for those who want to allege fixing in sumo. I am all for open discussion but am getting bloody sick of hearing it every time something predetermined by fans doesn't quite happen as written in the script.

Sometimes I wonder why I never see any arguments between the folks who routinely allege match-fixing when stuff happens contrary to their expectations and the folks who routinely allege match-fixing when stuff happens that exactly matches their expectations. Then I remember that it's the exact same people.

[WAKATAKE 2,613]

You know, we could have a four way tie at 13-2. Toyonoshima wins out, Giku goes 1-1, and Harumafuji wins out while Hakuho beats Kise tomorrow.

[Senkoho 552]

I was wrong. Some of you were right.

Still I don't see why we shouldn't discuss this kind of topics, Pandaazuma. Without "bullshitting" each other.

[Dwale 419]

I'm still trying to find video. @.@

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

I was wrong. Some of you were right.

Still I don't see why we shouldn't discuss this kind of topics, Pandaazuma. Without "bullshitting" each other.

I don't want to stop people discussing things like this...that is why I suggested an dedicated thread that I can block/ignore. Then anyone who wants to can join in to their hearts' content. But personally I've been hearing the same tired, baseless arguments for decades and I'm sick to the back teeth of it...I have no desire to hear it again and again and again.

Just a suggestion and not intended to offend anyone.

[Morty 1,469]

Woops. Bugger. Now it is back in the mix and Hak is in that mix. I'm not giving up hope yet though...

[Treblemaker 254]

We still have 3 days to go. While my heart's with The Geek, my money's not on him. I think we pay close attention to, not only how he does over the next few days, but how the Yoks go about their own business. How can you reconcile them getting knocked off with relative ease, and then they put up the usual epic bouts with each other, if that should happen? Know what I mean? (I don't even know what I mean.....)

... aaaaand reality, being stretched to the limit, snaps back with a loud crack!

This match was doomed even before it started. The Geek threw SO much salt onto the dohyo that his left foot slipped three times as he was looking for traction. It didn't matter that Toyonoshima was quicker, moving laterally, grabbing the arm, etc.. Geek basically shot himself in the foot. Literally. With that much salt, it may not have been the defining factor, but I'll bet it didn't help matters much.

And perhaps facing the Little Wrecking Ball was the last thing The Geek wanted to do. Smaller opponents don't fit well into the Belly Bump approach.

So now we have a really interesting couple of days before us. If I were a betting man, this is one time I would really sit on my wallet.

[hamcornheinz 839]

I'm still trying to find video. @.@

I just linked one dude.

[WAKATAKE 2,613]

Hakuho's win today ties him for 1st place with Kitanoumi for most wins as a yokozuna at 670. So can he pass him???

[Itachiyama 107]

Hakuho's win today ties him for 1st place with Kitanoumi for most wins as a yokozuna at 670. So can he pass him???

you mean tomorrow? ;-)!

[WAKATAKE 2,613]

Hakuho's win today ties him for 1st place with Kitanoumi for most wins as a yokozuna at 670. So can he pass him???

you mean tomorrow? ;-)!

In the world of sports, you never know what's going to happen.

[Dapeng 232]

I believe there was somebody talking about Toyonoshima letting Kotoshogiku win today so that he could help his fellow Japanese sumo wrestler win the yusho?

Toyonoshima also wants to yusho. Now he beat Giku so he is still in the race. If he lost he was out.

[Kotogouryuu 126]

Well, shucks. The bumpetybump is a mighty technique, but requires a setup, which Giku didn't manage to get today.

But the contest continues, as Kisenosato has everything to fight for against Hakuko, and is very capable of beating him. Tomorrow will be interesting.

[Dapeng 232]

Suggestion for mods: would it be possible to make a hideable subthread for those who want to allege fixing in sumo. I am all for open discussion but am getting bloody sick of hearing it every time something predetermined by fans doesn't quite happen as written in the script.

Sometimes I wonder why I never see any arguments between the folks who routinely allege match-fixing when stuff happens contrary to their expectations and the folks who routinely allege match-fixing when stuff happens that exactly matches their expectations. Then I remember that it's the exact same people.

If you practice competitive sports you'll know there are times you do not want to win.

In sumo, few 7-7 kadoban ozeki lost on the last day, and the majority of 7-7 rikishi won on the last day too. I don't believe there were money changed hands behind, so you cannot call these bouts "yaocho" or "fixed". Just because their opponents did not want to win.

[hamcornheinz 839]

Suggestion for mods: would it be possible to make a hideable subthread for those who want to allege fixing in sumo. I am all for open discussion but am getting bloody sick of hearing it every time something predetermined by fans doesn't quite happen as written in the script.

Sometimes I wonder why I never see any arguments between the folks who routinely allege match-fixing when stuff happens contrary to their expectations and the folks who routinely allege match-fixing when stuff happens that exactly matches their expectations. Then I remember that it's the exact same people.

If you practice competitive sports you'll know there are times you do not want to win.

In sumo, few 7-7 kadoban ozeki lost on the last day, and the majority of 7-7 rikishi won on the last day too. I don't believe there were money changed hands behind, so you cannot call these bouts "yaocho" or "fixed". Just because their opponents did not want to win.

How about this? Top athletes excell in high pressure situations. Isn't that a plausible explanation, considering it is what they do every day?

[Dwale 419]

I don't even know what to say about that Ichinojo vs Ikioi match. It was...and then...and they...! Well, it's been a weird basho, not sure why I would expect that to change on day 13.

Kotoshogiku better have a strong mental game or he's going to be defeated by his own doubt before he gets anywhere near a dohyo. What enormous pressure he must feel.

[WAKATAKE 2,613]

I believe there was somebody talking about Toyonoshima letting Kotoshogiku win today so that he could help his fellow Japanese sumo wrestler win the yusho?

Toyonoshima also wants to yusho. Now he beat Giku so he is still in the race. If he lost he was out.

That's the thing. Toyonoshima has on more than one occasion come close to winning the yusho himself. That he went all out against Kotoshogiku should not be surprising if he has a chance to win the yusho. He even said it himself that he was going to give it his best. And if events go really awry to allow him into the playoff, then he'll take it. It is often said, if you want to be the best, you have to BEAT the best.

[kuroimori 1,634]

I believe there was somebody talking about Toyonoshima letting Kotoshogiku win today so that he could help his fellow Japanese sumo wrestler win the yusho?

Toyonoshima also wants to yusho. Now he beat Giku so he is still in the race. If he lost he was out.

And he has the "easier" schedule for those last two days, OK Yoshikaze hasn't been a pushover lately, but the head-to-head score is clearly in Toyonoshima's favor (although Yoshikaze won their last two encounters).

Harumafuji can still play spoiler to Hakuho's yusho hopes on senshuraku.

Talking about the senshuraku torikumi, I really hope they skip the now meaningless if not problematic match between Kotoshogiku and Goeido.