Basho Talk - Kyushu Basho 2015 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[Kurikara 28]

That was pretty awesome by Hakuho though..

[kuroimori 1,634]

That was pretty awesome by Hakuho though..

Agreed, he is quite good, isn't he?

[Kurikara 28]

That was pretty awesome by Hakuho though..

Agreed, he is quite good, isn't he?

Hmm, let's not make a quick decision on that.. we'll see how he does tomorrow :-D

[kuroimori 1,634]

That was pretty awesome by Hakuho though..

Agreed, he is quite good, isn't he?

Hmm, let's not make a quick decision on that.. we'll see how he does tomorrow :-D

Yes, you are right, step by step "mainichi mainichi", but I see a great future for this talented lad! ;-)

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Kise just got bailed out by a very unfortunate inadvertent step out by Aoiyama.

This feels so not right...

Why "bailed out"? Everything after the step-out was irrelevant; if they had stopped the bout right when it happened, nobody would think Kise got lucky. It was just bad footwork by Aoiyama, which is hardly something new or surprising.

Edit: But good on the judges for letting the bout go on, was the right thing to do with such an (in real time) inconclusive situation.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Asashosakari

[inhashi 2,363]

Almost (Thinking in depth...)

But really... why Hakuho can be so awesome :-O

Chiyootori vs Shohozan match was a good one. Shohozan looking more like the usual Hakuho in that one.

Edited November 14, 2015 by inhashi

[kuroimori 1,634]

Kise just got bailed out by a very unfortunate inadvertent step out by Aoiyama.

This feels so not right...

Why "bailed out"? Everything after the step-out was irrelevant; if they had stopped the bout right when it happened, nobody would think Kise got lucky. It was just bad footwork by Aoiyama, which is hardly something new or surprising.

Edit: But good on the judges for letting the bout go on, was the right thing to do with such an (in real time) inconclusive situation.

bailed out because of a "very unfortunate" step-out.

If bad footwork means that you touch 3 grains of sand, than yes, it was bad footwork on Aoiyama's part.

You agree that Kise was lucky?

[Irakusamaru 77]

Shikimori Inosuke isn't going to make Kimura Shōnosuke, is he?

[inhashi 2,363]

Can't believe Endo didn't get injured there. That fall looked nasty.

I'm surprised , but relieved Kyokushuho didn't snap Endo's back in two pieces after landing on him at the edge.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

You agree that Kise was lucky?

No, why? Bad footwork is part of Aoiyama's package. It makes no sense to arbitrarily declare that it's "lucky" when a rikishi is profiting from one particular weakness of an opponent, or when he's profiting from it in a particular way. Kisenosato was pushing and Aoiyama was retreating, and it resulted in a loss for Aoiyama. That's all that happened. On other days Aoiyama's bad footwork means he simply gets bowled over, same thing just with a different outcome. Nobody would claim that's lucky for the opponent. Edited November 14, 2015 by Asashosakari

[kuroimori 1,634]

You agree that Kise was lucky?

No, why? Bad footwork is part of Aoiyama's package. It makes no sense to arbitrarily declare that it's "lucky" when a rikishi is profiting from one particular weakness of an opponent, or when he's profiting from it in a particular way. Kisenosato was pushing and Aoiyama was retreating, and it resulted in a loss for Aoiyama. That's all that happened. On other days Aoiyama's bad footwork means he simply gets bowled over, same thing just with a different outcome. Nobody would claim that's lucky for the opponent.

Lucky that the mono-ii was called and reversed the decision???

It was the right call and difficult to spot and make - as you pointed out, so Kise was lucky on that.

Not sure if they would have called it if Kise would have stepped out dipped the edge of his pinkie toe - but, before opening another topic, I will leave it at that. Feel free to have the last word B-)

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Lucky that the mono-ii was called and reversed the decision???

It was the right call and difficult to spot and make - as you pointed out, so Kise was lucky on that.

It happened right in front of the head shimpan, and given how quickly the mono-ii was called and how quickly it was resolved, I would guess the decision to review the situation was clear well before the "end" of the bout. Kise did his job, the shimpan did their job. Still don't see where any of this qualifies as a lucky course of events. Oh well.

[taresu 38]

Today bouts were so exciting!! Aoiyama showed some really good effort, unfortunately, right after stepping out, again :-/ . And what a win for Hakuho!! I watched over and over again amazed by the Yaguranage he pulled off. Beautiful!!

Somebody knows what happened to ichinojou?

He got a fried chicken contract and his life ambitions were fulfilled. Everything else from here on in is gravy.

(Laughing...) (Laughing...) (Laughing...) . Really? (Eh?)

Can't believe Endo didn't get injured there. That fall looked nasty.

I'm surprised , but relieved Kyokushuho didn't snap Endo's back in two pieces after landing on him at the edge.

I was sure Endo was going to the hospital after that fall, geez, made me feel the pain here in my house.

[dingo 1,160]

Kakuryu had a pretty bad tachiai, maybe that's why he was looking angry after the bout? ;-)

[Akinomaki 39,790]

Inosuke no. 40 with his 2nd sashi-chigae of the basho (3 in 2 basho) earned himself a 3-day suspension starting on day 8.

The last time that happened was for the 29th Inosuke Hatsu 2000, day 1-3, for his 9th-in-all (4 in 3 basho, 3 in 1 basho) sashi-chigae (just for his time as tate-gyoji, I presume) on the last day of Kyushu 1999.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2015/11/14/kiji/K20151114011510470.html

"I didn't watch the feet but the posture. My fault."

The last time of 3 sashi-chigae in 2 basho by an Inosuke was by the 33rd in Hatsu+Haru 2004, no suspension - they were not his fault maybe.

The 29th Inosuke had another 3 day suspension already in 1997 for the 4 in 3 basho, starting Natsu 1997.

http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20151114-OHT1T50171.html

Edited November 14, 2015 by Akinomaki

[Kurikara 28]

Inosuke no. 40 with his 2nd sashi-chigae of the basho (3 in 2 basho) earned himself a 3-day suspension starting on day 8.

The last time that happened was for the 29th Inosuke Hatsu 2000, day 1-3, for his 9th-in-all (4 in 3 basho, 3 in 1 basho) sashi-chigae (just for his time as tate-gyoji, I presume) on the last day of Kyushu 1999.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2015/11/14/kiji/K20151114011510470.html

"I didn't watch the feet but the posture. My fault."

Wow, that sucks. It's like a 3-day seppuku. Although his miss-call on the Hakuho vs Okinoumi was indeed surprisingly bad..

[Jyuunomori 226]

What a great day today has been. Hakuho showed why he is the greatest there ever had been and greatest there ever will be most likely, he is just so dominant. Oosunaarashi didn't fall for Aminihiki's obvious henka either do it was a good day.

But the main thing about today was Endo's fall. When I saw it I immidiadly thought: ''Welp, there goes Endo's career. Dammit!'' But he just stood up like nothing happened. How? xD

[Kishinoyama 582]

"I didn't watch the feet but the posture. My fault."

When you get close to stepping out I would think the first thing you would be looking at were the feet... (Thinking in depth...)

[Kurikara 28]

"I didn't watch the feet but the posture. My fault."

When you get close to stepping out I would think the first thing you would be looking at were the feet... (Thinking in depth...)

It also doesn't really make sense.. If he was not watching the feet then why would he make a decision that Hakuho stepped out?

[Gernobono 455]

Wow, that sucks. It's like a 3-day seppuku. Although his miss-call on the Hakuho vs Okinoumi was indeed surprisingly bad..

some minutes ago i heard the commentators say on the englich broadcast that the error was because hakuho used to fight from the east-side for so long and the gyoji pointed to his usual side :-S

[Kurikara 28]

Wow, that sucks. It's like a 3-day seppuku. Although his miss-call on the Hakuho vs Okinoumi was indeed surprisingly bad..

some minutes ago i heard the commentators say on the englich broadcast that the error was because hakuho used to fight from the east-side for so long and the gyoji pointed to his usual side :-S

I mean... even if true, that's still a big mistake...

[Senkoho 552]

Hakuho - awesome yaguranage

Shohozan - uwatenage, move along

[Tenshinhan 1,599]

Chiyotairyu is a mystery. How is his health status? On the first four days he lost after a few seconds and his last three bouts he won like a Yokozuna.

[808morgan 805]

Ok that was pretty cool

[inhashi 2,363]

I was hoping and patiently waiting for that gif ;-)

Okinoumi's no small man either. Even after eight hours after that match, I'm still amazed by Hakuho's strength and technique.