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Kotoshougiku loses his last 4 bouts.

Not to say that you're wrong, but he probably will get a maegashira on one of the last 4 days; my best guess is day 13, but it might be day 14. It will probably not be Okinoumi who will be well makekoshi; Ikioi is the most likely candidate.

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33 wins in the last three bashos. Should have been promoted to Ozeki but was overlooked because of his age and height which are non-symmetric.

It's little-known, but after a rikishi's 30th birthday the guideline for how many wins it takes for ozeki promotion changes to age + 4.
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They also should create a special Ozeki promotion rule for Tochiozan: 33 wins in four consecutive basho... lol

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33 wins in the last three bashos. Should have been promoted to Ozeki but was overlooked because of his age and height which are non-symmetric.

It's little-known, but after a rikishi's 30th birthday the guideline for how many wins it takes for ozeki promotion changes to age + 4.

I don't know if it is true or a joke :-S

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Somebody knows what happened to ichinojou? I mean, two years ago i still could see some fire in him, but last basho he was dead and this one he kinda started fighting back but now he just gave up again, same as Kaisei, good start but know this numbness (sic). I dunno if Aminishiki really pulled the hair, seemed to me that he did it, but not shure tho. Is nice to see him fighting and not doing henka for a change.

Terunofuji finally is start to showing some limits to his knee, couldn't hold today. And Yoshikaze did a nice bout today.

Ichinojo had plenty of fire in him this January - that's when he did the first of his two marathon boust with Teronofuji and won. He's only been in makuuchi just over a year. People keep saying he 'gives up', or 'gives up at the edge'.The same people might also trash him if he falls on someone and hurts him. Ichinojo doesn't get low enough. He doesn't squat down below the other guy's centre of gravity and sometimes he straightens up and gets pushed out. A commentator on day three said he has "terrible back-pain". I don't know why a commentator would lie. I have a student, a bit lighter than Amuuru, who has to keep standing up during his lessons (he's not up against Hakuho, just learning English), about every five minutes, to straighten his back because of the pain he's in. Myself I have to walk, and sit, ramrod straight as a brigadier or it will start, just mild back pain, and it's awful. Perhaps that explains why Ichinojo stands up too straight. Also, he wouldn't want to fall the way, say, Takekaze did today if his back's already dodgy.

I can't know why he seemed so despondent in March, May and July, but I'm convinced he's coming out of it. He went 9 wins to 6 losses in September. That's respectable. They've put him up to maegashira 1 and thrown all three yokozuna and two ozeki at him in his first five days and he's given them all a fight, even if he lost. Winning isn't everything.

I thought Aminishiki tugged a bit where he shouldn't too.

Hats off to Terunofuji fighting on a bum knee and doing so well.

Yeah, Ichi is an enigmatic dude. Wonder how long it takes before the light goes on? Maybe Hak needs to give him another love tap :-D

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Somebody knows what happened to ichinojou? I mean, two years ago i still could see some fire in him, but last basho he was dead and this one he kinda started fighting back but now he just gave up again, same as Kaisei, good start but know this numbness (sic). I dunno if Aminishiki really pulled the hair, seemed to me that he did it, but not shure tho. Is nice to see him fighting and not doing henka for a change.

Terunofuji finally is start to showing some limits to his knee, couldn't hold today. And Yoshikaze did a nice bout today.

Ichinojo had plenty of fire in him this January - that's when he did the first of his two marathon boust with Teronofuji and won. He's only been in makuuchi just over a year. People keep saying he 'gives up', or 'gives up at the edge'.The same people might also trash him if he falls on someone and hurts him. Ichinojo doesn't get low enough. He doesn't squat down below the other guy's centre of gravity and sometimes he straightens up and gets pushed out. A commentator on day three said he has "terrible back-pain". I don't know why a commentator would lie. I have a student, a bit lighter than Amuuru, who has to keep standing up during his lessons (he's not up against Hakuho, just learning English), about every five minutes, to straighten his back because of the pain he's in. Myself I have to walk, and sit, ramrod straight as a brigadier or it will start, just mild back pain, and it's awful. Perhaps that explains why Ichinojo stands up too straight. Also, he wouldn't want to fall the way, say, Takekaze did today if his back's already dodgy.

I can't know why he seemed so despondent in March, May and July, but I'm convinced he's coming out of it. He went 9 wins to 6 losses in September. That's respectable. They've put him up to maegashira 1 and thrown all three yokozuna and two ozeki at him in his first five days and he's given them all a fight, even if he lost. Winning isn't everything.

I thought Aminishiki tugged a bit where he shouldn't too.

Hats off to Terunofuji fighting on a bum knee and doing so well.

I really hope he comes out ot if. Back when i started watching he was the first rikishi which i started cheering to. It would be really nice he coming out of this. I agree that he only got difficult bouts in these first days. Nice to know about all that info which i was ignoring. thanks for the advice!!

I dunno if i can say this, but Kakuryu don't seem like a yokozuna material, at least not as hak and harumafuji..

One year ago I thought the same. But since November 2014 Kakuryu was even a better Yokozuna than Harumafuji was. Excluding the bashos where he was injured, Kakuryu got three 12-3 records in his last four tournaments resulting in one yusho and two jun-yusho. Harumafujis latest 12-3 was in March 2014, he mostly got only 11-4 records. I guess Kakuryu and Harumafuji are just usual Yokozuna having bad luck that Hakuho exists. If my memory is correct, it was said in another thread that they both are better than the average Yokozuna in history and that we think they are not because we are used to Hakuhos Yokozuna performances.

I never thought about it that way. Really is kinda bad luck to be a Yokozuna when Hakuho is around. It's been only two years since i'm watching sumo so i was not able to see kakuryu that often. Guess i just have to be patient and learn more. ;-)

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33 wins in the last three bashos. Should have been promoted to Ozeki but was overlooked because of his age and height which are non-symmetric.

It's little-known, but after a rikishi's 30th birthday the guideline for how many wins it takes for ozeki promotion changes to age + 4.

I don't know if it is true or a joke :-S

It's a true joke.

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Are the zabutons in Fukuoka nailed down? Or are the people there not easy to impress?

I just realised there was not even a whiff of cushion for Osunaarashi on Day 2.

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Yoshikaze is the biggest surprise to me. He was positively smoking in the Aki Basho, but at 33 yo, it seemed more like a lucky fluke than a coming of age. I think of 28 or 29 as the peak of performance (just a general thumb rule). Heck, we all knew Yoshi had skills, but such performances two basho in a row is astounding. Stay tuned.

Personally I'm hoping for Yosh to have an Asahifuji-style late, late career Tsuna run ;-)​

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Are the zabutons in Fukuoka nailed down? Or are the people there not easy to impress?

I just realised there was not even a whiff of cushion for Osunaarashi on Day 2.

Close, but yup, tied together. Kintamayama just posted an article about it.

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Are the zabutons in Fukuoka nailed down? Or are the people there not easy to impress?

I just realised there was not even a whiff of cushion for Osunaarashi on Day 2.

Close, but yup, tied together. Kintamayama just posted an article about it.

Well, that was timely. Maybe if Hakuho gets taken down, one of the four person boxes will make an effort.

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Yoshikaze is the biggest surprise to me. He was positively smoking in the Aki Basho, but at 33 yo, it seemed more like a lucky fluke than a coming of age. I think of 28 or 29 as the peak of performance (just a general thumb rule). Heck, we all knew Yoshi had skills, but such performances two basho in a row is astounding. Stay tuned.

Personally I'm hoping for Yosh to have an Asahifuji-style late, late career Tsuna run ;-)​

Yoshikaze couldn't be less like Asahifuji. Asahifuji shot near the top out of the gate, making sanyaku in his fifth basho after entering the makuuchi division. It took him a few years to make ozeki, but he was in the sanyaku most of that time. Then at ozeki he had a long wait because Chiyonofuji was racking up the yusho.

Yoshikaze took forever to make it to the sanyaku - it was in his 50th basho after his makuuchi division appearance. All those years of mediocre sumo, filled with henka and pull downs. He looks completely different now. He has beaten Kakuryu three times in a row and Harumafuji five times in a row (not counting whatever happens today). He literally willed his way to victory over Tochiozan on day five - there was no question which rikishi wanted that victory more. Additionally, I can't even remember the last time Yoshikaze pulled a henka. He is a much better wrestler now than at any other time in his career.

If I were to compare him with anyone else in terms of transformation, it would be to his fellow komusubi Tochinoshin. Since returning from his injury Tochinoshin has been a better rikishi, stronger and more straight forward. Yoshikaze has come further, faster, later in his career, but both sekitori deserve great credit for their improvement.

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If I were Isegahama I would force Terunofuji to take a break. He's only making things worse for himself and stripping away the potential he once had. He might have heart but if his knee is not going to respond he is going to get destroyed by his fellow Yokozuna and Ozeki peers. It would be such a shame to see a promising career destroyed if he continues this.

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More like Henkaho.

Seriously though, I'm not sure he meant to win like that - like he didn't want to catch Yoshikaze head on, but seemed surprised when Yoshikaze went flying past.

Afterwards, he had a look on his face like: "Man, they're gonna think I pulled a henka!"

It seemed to mee that way too. Right after yoshikaze falls, Hak shake his head like he was not happy for what happened. Or myabe he was just playing upset to dont feel bat about the henka. (Laughing...) (Laughing...)

Oosunarashi did well fighting Kakuryu and Terunofuji keeps surprising me with that knee. Hold Ichinojou for a long time today! :-O

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I think he launched in to get under his arm and it just happened so fast. Look at his face in the video, he was surprised and then disappointed, then he thought it was funny. Yoshikaze isn't even looking where he is going, hes looking down and then stays down.

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Yoshikaze is the biggest surprise to me. He was positively smoking in the Aki Basho, but at 33 yo, it seemed more like a lucky fluke than a coming of age. I think of 28 or 29 as the peak of performance (just a general thumb rule). Heck, we all knew Yoshi had skills, but such performances two basho in a row is astounding. Stay tuned.

Personally I'm hoping for Yosh to have an Asahifuji-style late, late career Tsuna run ;-)​

Yoshikaze couldn't be less like Asahifuji. Asahifuji shot near the top out of the gate, making sanyaku in his fifth basho after entering the makuuchi division. It took him a few years to make ozeki, but he was in the sanyaku most of that time. Then at ozeki he had a long wait because Chiyonofuji was racking up the yusho.

Yoshikaze took forever to make it to the sanyaku - it was in his 50th basho after his makuuchi division appearance. All those years of mediocre sumo, filled with henka and pull downs. He looks completely different now. He has beaten Kakuryu three times in a row and Harumafuji five times in a row (not counting whatever happens today). He literally willed his way to victory over Tochiozan on day five - there was no question which rikishi wanted that victory more. Additionally, I can't even remember the last time Yoshikaze pulled a henka. He is a much better wrestler now than at any other time in his career.

If I were to compare him with anyone else in terms of transformation, it would be to his fellow komusubi Tochinoshin. Since returning from his injury Tochinoshin has been a better rikishi, stronger and more straight forward. Yoshikaze has come further, faster, later in his career, but both sekitori deserve great credit for their improvement.

It was a joke...

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Asahishou just got kotenaged and it looks like he injured his arm. The kotenage is a dangerous weapon. It was his salt -throwing arm too.

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"Kakuryuu, don't pull! Don't lose twice the same way!! Think about this well! Your body does not hurt!! Your mind hurts!!"

Asashouryuu tweets today.

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Yoshikaze is the biggest surprise to me. He was positively smoking in the Aki Basho, but at 33 yo, it seemed more like a lucky fluke than a coming of age. I think of 28 or 29 as the peak of performance (just a general thumb rule). Heck, we all knew Yoshi had skills, but such performances two basho in a row is astounding. Stay tuned.

33 wins in the last three bashos. Should have been promoted to Ozeki but was overlooked because of his age and height which are non-symmetric.
They are out of parking passes at Sumo Association headquarters so someone has to retire and free up a parking spot. Edited by evilwaldo

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Kise did two things today we don't normally see from him. First, he didn't roll over to someone who has the wood on him for a fair while now, Usually he has lost these bouts before they even starts because his brain gets the better of him and convinces him he is going to lose. And second he completely changed his usual tactics in order to beat the guy who has the wood on him. Endure the opening charge, don't use your usual tactics, then a bit of harite, a bit of oshi and get the win. Usually his brain is his own worst enemy and he only wins when it doesn't get in his way. In fact, I usually think he would be best off if he could remove his brain and put it in a box before each bout and just go on auto-pilot. But today he engaged his brain in a most interesting way, harnessed it as a weapon, and out-thought his opponent. There may be hope for him yet.

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The difference this time was that by now Kise knows that Ozan has even bigger mental problems than himself.

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Besides, thanks to Yoshikaze's example Kise now knows he easily has at least another 4 years to get his act together. ;-)

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Am i the only one impressed with Shohouzan effort today? Really nice to see him fighting today, so as Kisenosato who didn't gave up and slap his way to the win. Terunofuji was almost stiff today, he must take care of that knee asap. Finally Kaisei returned and even brought a loss to ikioi who was doing fine so far. Nice that yesterday we had 5 rikishi at the top and now is only Hakuho. Wondering how things are going to play tomorrow. Oh, before i forget, after i said that things about Ichinojou he just defeated kotoshougiku and got his first win, yay!

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The thing I'm most curious about right now is who will be at sekiwake next basho. One of the sekiwake will be 2-5 after their bout today, while Yoshikaze and Tochinoshin seem to at least be on track for a KK considering the drop in opposition they'll have over the second week and their recent strong form. Goeido is doing okay so far but a losing record still isn't out of the question.

Will the sekiwake maintain their rank? And if one spot opens, who will get the nod between Yoshi, Tochi, and Goeido assuming the first two KK and the last MK's? For me those are the most interesting questions right now.

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i think terunofuji kept osunaarashi from a further knee injury by giving him assistance and holding him standing after osunas knee gave in at the tawara and not letting him sink on that knee and rolling down the dohyo...

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