Basho Talk - Nagoya 2015 +++ Spoiler alert! +++

[Akinomaki 41,831]

So Kyokutenho is having a talk with Tomozuna oya and his family. Will he eventually re-open Oshima beya? If so, will he/can he take back the original Oshima boys or will it be a matter of his own flock to find? Does he yet have his own kabu?

Kyokutenho is the adopted son of his former oyakata, he inherits the Oshima kabu.

[inhashi 2,363]

That's a relief to hear. I hope he is able to transition easily.

[Asashosakari 20,260]

So Kyokutenho is having a talk with Tomozuna oya and his family. Will he eventually re-open Oshima beya? If so, will he/can he take back the original Oshima boys or will it be a matter of his own flock to find? Does he yet have his own kabu?

Kyokutenho is the adopted son of his former oyakata, he inherits the Oshima kabu.

Technically has inherited it already, probably - ex-Oshima's three-year grace period expired back in April, he shouldn't be allowed to own it anymore.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

The perfect storm tomorrow has to be Terunofuji-Kotoshogiku!

It's been a while since I checked but almost every ozeki has given the win to the one who needs it for at least ten years...probably more. It is actually quite staggering...and, looking at it objectively, impossible without some 'outside' help, by which I mean an opponent giving away the win as required.

I dont want to invoke 'conspiracy theories'; In fact, I take issue with the term and in fact I tackle this thorny issue on my human rights blog very soon, not that anyone on here reads it! But it will be fascinating to see whether Teru gives Giku the win or not.

Giku CAN legitimately beat Teru. If Teru wins, it will set the cat among the pigeons...how can we possibly explain something that has a good chance of happening against varying preconceptions? And if Giku wins...well, there is only one possibility! ;)

Or of course the bout just happens as it happens. And a good ozeki beats another good ozeki. And we realize that events actually have many possible plausible explanations.

[ALAKTORN 346]

The OBSC exists for certain and we’ve undeniably seen it through the years. Having said that I doubt shin-ōzeki Terunofuji gives a crap about it, and he’ll go all-out tomorrow.

[luispereira 383]

In German we call it "Ringelpiez mit Anfassen"...

man...this bout is so funny!!

[808morgan 814]

In German we call it "Ringelpiez mit Anfassen"...

man...this bout is so funny!!

I would just run around him and make him dizzy, or when he can't keep up push him out okuridashi when I got around him. I feel bad for Orora but I know why hes there.

[Gurowake 4,152]

I expected Iwasaki to be the same sort of size as his brother. Weird. Is it just Orora that makes him look tiny?

Edited July 25, 2015 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 4,152]

The perfect storm tomorrow has to be Terunofuji-Kotoshogiku!

I really hope Terunofuji doesn't care whether he demotes Kotoshogiku, and sets out to prove that he's not going to be the type to give away wins to people in need by not working as hard as he can. I have it pegged at around 1/3 chance for Kotoshogiku in a fair fight, so just Kotoshogiku winning doesn't really prove that he was handed the win, and it's presumably impossible to really tell if they're giving it their all. It's just unfortunate that they have this set structure to their day 15s such that they're inclined to put an Ozeki with nothing on the line against another Ozeki with everything on the line. While I don't agree with doing something as radical as having all kadoban Ozeki face other Ozeki week 1, they at least could make sure that on senshuraku they fight an opponent who actually cares whether he wins or not. They could have had Kotoshogiku vs. Ichinojo on Day 15 instead, although there one might say Ichinojo really has no reason to win either as he'd probably have an easier shot to get back to sanyaku if he leaves the joi. They could have done any number of different things to avoid this, but tradition says they have to have the top 6 as the last three matches if at all possible, damn the consequences.

[ScottyJoyJrBebe 97]

Does anyone believe that Kotoshogiku will retire if he loses? It's an unfortunate truth, but his last 2 double digit records was 2014 and 2013. Would it not be better to go out as an Ozeki, rather than fail in September, and leave as "Former Ozeki"?

The last time Kakyryu was in a playoff with Hakuho, he lost.

Can Kisenosato hold on to Ozeki East?

Does Myogiru move back to Sekiwake?

Komusubi Aoiyama. I like it. Komusubi Tochinoshin. I like it. (Should have been one this tournament)

Good Bye Kyokutenho. A true "Rocky Balboa" story. Nothing left to prove.

Yoshikaze, wow. Oosunaarashi, double wow.

Tochiozan, what happened? I thought for sure Outstanding performance and maybe even Fighting Spirit. I guess not. ((Edited-Yes, He will be recieving it, by virtue of defeating both Yokozuna. Well deserved. Still capable of an Ozeki Run next 2 basho. Good Luck!!)

Ichinojo. I believed in you all tournament. I still do. Maegashira 3 should be a good rally point for you in September. Double digit wins from there is a return to sanyaku and a momentum builder for a Run in 2016.

Edited July 25, 2015 by ScottyJoyJrBebe

[Benevolance 2,534]

I think Kotoshogiku could have a long tail career, a la Wakanosato, if he desired. If he drops from Ozeki, I'm not sure he'll make it back, but he can introduce the Humpty Dance to the kids in mid-makuuchi for years to come.

[yorikiried by fate 2,038]

I would be disappointed if Terrorfuji wouldn't dump him (then again: we might see Jedi Powers^TM).

If it happens (ahahahahaha), he would be were he should be. So personally, I'd like him to continue looong time at S/K/M.

[Gernobono 467]

i am quite sure kotoshogiku will win tommorow....

there is abolutely no advantage for terunofuji in winning

so.....whatever you call it....terunofuji knows what to do...

[teo_heel 33]

i am quite sure kotoshogiku will win tommorow....

there is abolutely no advantage for terunofuji in winning

so.....whatever you call it....terunofuji knows what to do...

No advantage??? Are you serious??? Terunofuji should beat Kotoshogiku, if not... I will hate him for that. He should prove everyone that he can beat anyone, if he want to be yokozuna.

[Asojima 2,874]

i am quite sure kotoshogiku will win tommorow....

there is abolutely no advantage for terunofuji in winning

so.....whatever you call it....terunofuji knows what to do...

If Kakuryu loses and Terunofuji wins, Terunofuji gets a shared jun-yusho. This puts Terunofuji on the start of a zuna run. It is a meager run, but a jun-yusho here could become a promotion factor in November.

[ScottyJoyJrBebe 97]

If Kakuryu loses and Terunofuji wins, Terunofuji gets a shared jun-yusho. This puts Terunofuji on the start of a zuna run. It is a meager run, but a jun-yusho here could become a promotion factor in November.

.....whatever you call it....terunofuji knows what to do...

Would a 12-3 J be enough for a run? I seem to remember Kisenosato having a 13-2 J in 2013 and that being talked about as the start, and of course Kakuryu was the first Yokozuna promotion since Hokutoumi to occur with a Jun-Yusho/Yusho combination(Onokuni was after a Yusho/2 Jun-Yusho combo). However, Hakuho had a 13-2 J following a Yusho and was NOT promoted.

I would love to see Terunofuji have a shared Jun-Yusho, hopefully with Yoshikaze as well :) Speaking of that, would a 12-3 put Yoshikaze up at M1?

[torquato 1,075]

If Kakuryu loses and Terunofuji wins, Terunofuji gets a shared jun-yusho. This puts Terunofuji on the start of a zuna run.

No. Only if the jun-yusho is worth a yusho equivalent. That means it must be obtained through a kettei-sen or the like. Teru is out of the race already. So no yusho equivalent, no zuna run.

This is why Kakuryu's jun-yushu was worth a promotion, but other jun-yushos mentioned by ScottyJoyJrBebe were not.

If Teru wins it's only for the honour. A statement that says that from now on he's taking over.

[ScottyJoyJrBebe 97]

Clarification very much appreciated torquato. It makes sense now, as even a 12-3 J would qualify, IF it was an "equivilant performance" (Tochiozan in 2012 for example) This makes sense with Kisenosato and Hakuho. I need to research if anyone has been promoted with just Jun-Yusho's to their credit.....(WAIT! brain-stutter) never mind, we all know who that is. Since were on the subject, would Terunofuji be promoted with 2 Jun-Yusho's?? (13-2-P, 13-2-P for example)

[Asojima 2,874]

Assume a Yusho and a strong 13-2+ jun-yusho in September and November (either order). A 12-3 jun-yusho in this basho would play much better than a 11-4 blah.

[Benevolance 2,534]

Unless you misspelled Goeidou when you typed Terunofuji, the answer is no, two jun-yusho's wouldn't cut it.

[Lizard72 4]

The OBSC exists for certain and we’ve undeniably seen it through the years. Having said that I doubt shin-ōzeki Terunofuji gives a crap about it, and he’ll go all-out tomorrow.

I keep seeing this. What is OBSC?

[inhashi 2,363]

Ozeki Back Scratcher's Club

[Kishinoyama 625]

Assume a Yusho and a strong 13-2+ jun-yusho in September and November (either order). A 12-3 jun-yusho in this basho would play much better than a 11-4 blah.

I think the 'Ancient Observer' has it right. :-)

[WAKATAKE 2,759]

Wakanosato and Kyokutenho have both announced that they will be wrestling today. Their announcements have not confirmed any retirement statements. We'll have to see what happens after they are done today.

[Kurikara 28]

Hi Everyone! To me, the newbie, it would have been rather weird if they (K and W) decide to skip the last day. I assume they would try their best to go out with a win. I'm also a bit surprised that Kyokutenho apparently won't really consider remaining in juryo, there'd be nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.

Terunofuji doesn't strike me as someone who would give a freebie to anyone. Giku will have to take care of this himself.