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1 hour ago, Reonito said:

This I assume?

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On 21/05/2024 at 22:43, Oskanohana said:

I scanned manually the 2 loss group to see if somebody had two fusen losses in a basho (and no more losses), couldn't find anything.

Here's one.

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7 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Wow, that one even has a draw apart from that weird disappearing act at the end of the basho.

I looked it up right now, last draw was in 1974, I wasn't aware of that. I may have to change the phrase to "those who won all the bouts they appeared for". BTW, no jinx for Takayasu today, he keeps going.

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Myogiryu hadn't got a makekoshi in juryo since his injury-affected debut in Hatsu '10 - his 5th basho overall.

He had been in juryo five times since then, netting three yusho, with an overall record of 52-24.

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18 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

last draw was in 1974

I'm not sure how long their one match actually took to resolve, but one might have hoped Ichinojo vs. Hokuseiho to have produced a draw if they fought enough matches. 

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Posted (edited)

Onosato joins an interesting group of rikishi who achieve double digit wins in their first three makuuchi bashos.

3 results found
  Rikishi Basho
1.  Onosato 1
1.  Onosho 1
1.  Terukuni 1

On one hand we have a highly prospect that ended as our usual rank-and-file and on the other a yokozuna. Which fate will Onosato follow?

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Posted (edited)

Interesting. Looking over their opposition, they stepped Onosato up much higher in opposition than they did Onosho and Terukuni. Onosato faced 9 sanyaku his first 2 basho; only 2 for Onosho and 4 for Terukuni.

Edited by Katooshu

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Posted (edited)

Fujiseiun in exclusive company after his day 13 win over Kusano (7-0 in every division below Juryo)

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23 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Interesting. Looking over their opposition, they stepped Onosato up much higher in opposition than they did Onosho and Terukuni. Onosato faced 9 sanyaku his first 2 basho; only 2 for Onosho and 4 for Terukuni.

Without checking, I'd wager the quality of sanyaku (in regard of running for the yusho) was much higher for the former two.

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1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

Interesting. Looking over their opposition, they stepped Onosato up much higher in opposition than they did Onosho and Terukuni. Onosato faced 9 sanyaku his first 2 basho; only 2 for Onosho and 4 for Terukuni.

Different times; with 15-0 and 14-1 Hakuho yusho, Onosho was never remotely in the race in his first two basho.

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2017.05 day 10: Y Hakuho and Y Harumafuji lead at 10-0, M14 Onosho 4 wins back at 6-4

2017.07 day 10: Hakuho leads 10-0, M6 Onosho two wins back at 8-2 (he did get within 1 win on day 11, but then dropped back to 2, and never got closer)

2024.01 day 10: S Kotonowaka is sole leader at 9-1, M15 Onosato (along with M14 Onosho!) in a small chase group one win back at 8-2

2024.03 day 10: M17 Takerufuji leads at 10-0, O Kotonowaka and M5 Onosato are the only rikishi 2 wins back at 8-2

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1 hour ago, Reonito said:
2 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Interesting. Looking over their opposition, they stepped Onosato up much higher in opposition than they did Onosho and Terukuni. Onosato faced 9 sanyaku his first 2 basho; only 2 for Onosho and 4 for Terukuni.

Different times; with 15-0 and 14-1 Hakuho yusho, Onosho was never remotely in the race in his first two basho.

And Terukuni was back when (first basho) they didn't test high-performing low-rankers against joi opposition at all / (second basho) East-West scheduling was in effect; the four sanyaku he faced there were all that was available.

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9 hours ago, Tsubame said:

On one hand we have a highly prospect that ended as our usual rank-and-file and on the other a yokozuna. Which fate will Onosato follow?

Just checked out of curiosity, and found out that Terukuni went on an uninterrupted, 10 basho strike of 11+ wins since his promotion - but no yusho because Futabayama (later got two in 1950-51). This is also the shortest possible time I think a rikishi can get from being promoted to Makuuchi to reaching Yokozuna. Terukuni went as follows, from Natsu 1939 to Hatsu 1944 (from sumodb):

11-4 (M15w); 12-3J (M2e); 11-4 (S2eHD); 12-3 (S1w); 13-2J (S1w); 12-3 (O1e); 13-2J (O2wHD); 14-1J (Y2eHD); 12-3 (Y1w); 11-4 (Y1e)

His strike came to an end with a modest 6-4 in Natsu 1944. Wikipedia rumors implicitly link his poor late wartime performance to food rationing, an issue for a 162 kg behemoth. Also, Terukuni's Makuuchi strike was preceded by an 11-4 Juryo Yusho that led to his promotion to Makuuchi.

Long story short, perhaps we only have to wait for Onosato's fourth Makuuchi tournament to get whether he's closer to the mold of Onosho or Terukuni (Onosho delivered a modest 8-7 in his fourth basho at K1w).

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11 hours ago, Hankegami said:

This is also the shortest possible time I think a rikishi can get from being promoted to Makuuchi to reaching Yokozuna. 

Terunofuji dit it too after his return from injury

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Posted (edited)

Tomorrow, the juryo torikumi, with 16 bouts is at its largest (tied) since the division dropped down to 26 rikishi in mid-1967. That number was bumped up to 28 in 2004, which certainly helps matters. Query

The 4 juryo vs. makushita bouts are not a record though. They've gone as high as 5. Query EDIT: Also taken since juryo's reduced size took effect. They went waaaay higher before.

 

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Posted (edited)

Onosato has now won sansho is all 3 of his makuuchi basho. Anyone ever put up a longer streak from debut in the top division?

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15 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Onosato has now won sansho is all 3 of his makuuchi basho. Anyone ever put up a longer streak from debut in the top division?

According to this query, Chiyotenzan also had 3, and upping it to 4 didn't return any results.

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Natsu 2024 was the fifth tournament in the 15-bout era in which two juryo rikishi achieved more wins than the makuuchi yusho winner (12 / 14 and 13). The others were Aki 2023 (11 / 13 and 12), Haru 2023 (12 / 14 and 13), Kyushu 2007 (12 / 13 and 13), and Haru 1954 (12 / 13 and 13).

Shame about Endo's senshuraku loss, a win would have made it the first basho with three such scores. None of the other cases had a third rikishi who came that close.

(For completeness, another 23 basho had one juryo score better than the top makuuchi score.)

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13 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Shame about Endo's senshuraku loss, a win would have made it the first basho with three such scores. None of the other cases had a third rikishi who came that close.

This makes me wonder what happens if you expand it to exceeding or equalling. This would be the first where 2 exceeded and 2 more equalled, at least?

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7 hours ago, Reonito said:

This makes me wonder what happens if you expand it to exceeding or equalling. This would be the first where 2 exceeded and 2 more equalled, at least?

I used a combination of 3 queries and cross-referenced, but yes this is unprecedented. 

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&having=1&form1_wins=11&form1_y=on&form1_m=on (was Makuuchi Yusho 11)

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=4&form1_rank=J&form1_wins=>10 (do any of the 4x J with 11+ wins basho match these? no.)

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=4&form1_rank=J&form1_wins=>11 (4-or-more J with 12-or-more wins)

 

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I guess it's a record that we have 2 chon-mage yusho in a row now.

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Sponichi reports once more about Tochimaru on the comeback trail (Yubinhaad had summarized an article about him and others two months ago), but the reason I'm mentioning it in this thread is that it also points out that Tochimaru and his senshuraku opponent Kototsubasa met on the dohyo again more than 12 years after their first clash.

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Which heya is closest to the kokugikan?

It used to be Michinoku, but it's closed down - the new Nakamura-beya is said to use the premises when it's created - 150m, a 3 minutes walk away from the kokugikan.

Now the closest is Kasugano - 8 minutes to walk, then Tokitsukaze with 9 minutes, both are 550m away using Google Map. Next group with 10 minutes and 700 meters away are Hakkaku and Dewanoumi.

Kirishima from closest is now at the 2600m and 36minutes to walk Otowayama-beya.

The heya with the greatest distance is Nishonoseki-beya: by the fastest route 53 km, that map tells it's 12h16m to walk.

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/202405260000159.html

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48 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

that map tells it's 12h16m to walk

That's why Toriteki only fight every other day. B-)

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