Trivia bits

[Ryoshishokunin 259]

Isn't tamanoumi's streak longer than that--his prior appearance as maegashira (before the zensho) was also a win.

[Oskanohana 181]

2 minutes ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

Isn't tamanoumi's streak longer than that--his prior appearance as maegashira (before the zensho) was also a win.

Those are two separate things. Asashosakari's post was longest maegashira winning streak. That still holds. Mine is longest debutante streak. (I'll use the spanish word, hopefully it's understood):p

What I mean is my query is longest unbeaten streak from debut on division, no losses at all allowed. First loss kills all future streaks.

[Yarimotsu 513]

Everyone seems to be putting the caveat of the 15-bout era on it, but if you don't there's also Chiyonoyama who in 1945 went 10-0 J on debut and followed that with 3 wins in the next.

[Asashosakari 18,650]

Most appearances as sekiwake until ranked as S1e for the first time. Sekiwake debuts since 1948 (= modern banzuke-making after the end of the second East-West era):

8th basho - Kotoshogiku
7th basho - Matsunobori
6th basho - Annenyama, Takamiyama, Hoshoryu, Daieisho, Wakamotoharu
5th basho - Wakahaguro, Asahikuni, Kurohimeyama, Terao, Ichinojo

In addition, Takanosho has yet to be S1e despite five sekiwake appearances. (That was also true for Dejima, but he was ozeki in between sekiwake tournament #3 and #4, so it's not quite the same thing.)

[Reonito 1,295]

Looks like Takerufuji is the 6th rikishi to sweep the three special prizes, and the 3rd to do that with a yusho.

[Asashosakari 18,650]

10+ basho ranked M1-M5 without ever making sanyaku, 15-bout era since 1949.05 (in brackets high rank and total makuuchi basho, ties sorted by the latter):

17 Higonoumi (M1, 53)

15 Daiyu (M1, 43), Kotoryu (M1, 51)

14 Kushimaumi (M1, 35)

13 Asasegawa (M1, 29)

12 Kirinishiki (M2, 34), Futatsuryu (M1, 36), Narutoumi (M1, 44), Toyohibiki (M2, 52)

11 Hananokuni (M1, 24), Taiga (M1, 27), Amanoyama (M1, 30), Misugiiso (M2, 35), Aogiyama (M1, 38), Minatofuji (M2, 46), Tokitsuumi (M3, 50), Asanowaka (M1, 52)

10 Wakanoumi (M2, 22), Wakasegawa (M1, 33), Yoshinohana (M1, 36), Kitakachidoki (M3, 49)

Midorifuji and Sadanoumi are the active leaders with 9 basho apiece, nobody else has more than 4.

Edit: I wonder how high Sadanoumi ranks in "longest gap between appearances at M5 and above"...

Edited April 5 by Asashosakari

[Yamanashi 3,669]

4 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

10+ basho ranked M1-M5 without ever making sanyaku

The distribution over time [year of intai]:

1960-69 2

1970-79 5

1980-89 2

1990-99 4

2000-09 7

2010-19 0

2020-      1

Toyohibiki is the first man on this list since Tokitsuumi in 2007 (who might have made San'yaku but for a sudden KA).

[Reonito 1,295]

This is the first time ever that four Ozeki lost on opening day. It's only the third time five Ozeki/Yokozuna lost on opening day, but this is the first time it's happened when there were only five Y/O fighting. Second time seven (!!!) Y/O/S lost on opening day, and again, first time when only seven were participating.

Edited May 12 by Reonito

[Gurowake 3,872]

21 hours ago, Reonito said:

This is the first time ever that four Ozeki lost on opening day. It's only the third time five Ozeki/Yokozuna lost on opening day, but this is the first time it's happened when there were only five Y/O fighting. Second time seven (!!!) Y/O/S lost on opening day, and again, first time when only seven were participating.

I thought it might portend for a very bad day on japan-guide Sumo Game, and certainly it was, but the 4.13 average score wasn't bad enough to make the list of the lowest scoring days.

[Jakusotsu 5,721]

This basho set a regrettable new record for the least number of active sanyaku rikishi on Nakabi.

[Bunbukuchagama 674]

12 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

This basho set a regrettable new record for the least number of active sanyaku rikishi on Nakabi.

Wow.

[Asashosakari 18,650]

Rikishi who became oyakata after a career without any divisional yusho or sansho (= never part of a senshuraku ceremony).

Hatsu-dohyo since 1958, so limited to rikishi who had six annual yusho opportunities throughout their careers, but it conveniently also gets rid of all the years when kabu take-up was only marginally related to dohyo success. Listed in reverse chronological order of becoming oyakata, date in brackets alongside the career-high rank and "k" if the rikishi did leave a mark in the history books by earning a kinboshi.

* = never obtained a permanent kabu and left very early
(*) = was officially on a permanent kabu but left very early anyway, likely hidden loan arrangement
** = involuntary departure from Kyokai (outright dismissal or otherwise)

Kotoeko (2024.05, M4)
Hamanishiki** (2012.03, M11)
Kasuganishiki*/** (2011.01, M5)
Wakatoba(*) (2007.09, M11)
Yotsukasa* (2005.11, M11)
Kanechika** (2004.09, J2)
Daishi* (2002.03, M3)
Asanosho* (2002.01, M2, k)
Dairyu (1997.07, J4)
Kiraiho* (1996.07, M4)
Kototsubaki (1995.03, M3)
Jingaku* (1991.09, Komusubi, k)
Daitetsu (1990.09, Komusubi, k)
Fujinoshin (1990.09, M1)
Maenoshin*/** (1990.03, Komusubi)
Asaarashi (1973.03, M12)

A few more than I thought there would be.

Among the five guys whose oyakata careers didn't end prematurely, Dairyu possibly avoided that fate only due to Takatoriki's dismissal in 2010 necessitating his becoming the emergency replacement as head of Otake-beya.

Edited May 18 by Asashosakari

[Jakusotsu 5,721]

2 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Higonoumi (2002.11, M1, k)

Higonoumi had a Makushita Yusho. (he was the first one I checked after reading the question in the other thread)

[Asashosakari 18,650]

2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Higonoumi had a Makushita Yusho. (he was the first one I checked after reading the question in the other thread)

Argh, that's what I get for visually scanning for yusho after I reduced the initial list through sansho by spreadsheet. I nearly included another guy erroneously that way, too... Fixed.

Edited May 18 by Asashosakari

[Gurowake 3,872]

On 26/11/2022 at 14:06, Gurowake said:

I couldn't find anything in this thread about the number of demoted Ozeki still on the banzuke (but below Ozeki).  We will have 5 on the next banzuke if there are no retirements, and the only ex-Ozeki to continue competing recently but retired by now is Kotoshogiku, and since his retirement there have been multiple Ozeki demotions so I'm fairly sure this would be a new record, assuming that it hasn't happened in the past.  Normally there aren't nearly this many Ozeki demoted around the same time that continue competing.  Also of note is that both of the upper sanyaku on the next banzuke also were demoted from Ozeki at one point.

The count of rikishi with high rank Ozeki on the banzuke ranked below Ozeki will be back up to 5 next basho assuming no retirements - once again there's Takayasu, Mitakeumi, Shodai, and Asanoyama, and now we have Kirishima replacing the retired Tochinoshin.  The same two rikishi demoted from Ozeki that returned as of then are still there as well.

Edited May 19 by Gurowake

[Hoshotakamoto 256]

So are Endo (35-5) and Takerufuji (13-2) the greatest Juryo fighters of all time?

[Katooshu 3,079]

Baruto was 54-6, with 3 yusho in 4 basho on the dohyo at juryo, including a 15-0.

I did have the thought the other day that some years from now Endo could be 103 years old, in a nursing home, and unable to stand on his own, but if carried onto a dohyo would still put up at least 10 wins in juryo.

Edited May 21 by Katooshu

[Asashosakari 18,650]

This career-high sekiwake never lost a match as a juryo rikishi.

[TheGunbaiHolder 24]

4 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

This career-high sekiwake never lost a match as a juryo rikishi.

what happened in 1932?

P.S. I started looking at that rikishi opponents, which included Futabayama. I went to read Futabayama wiki page and stumble upon this:

What does that mean? Was the dohyo smaller before? The source [1] is Dynamic Sumo by Clyde Newton, but I do not have access to it.

Edited May 21 by TheGunbaiHolder

[rokudenashi 290]

20 minutes ago, TheGunbaiHolder said:

what happened in 1932?

The Shunjūen Incident

[Asashosakari 18,650]

4 hours ago, TheGunbaiHolder said:

what happened in 1932?

P.S. I started looking at that rikishi opponents, which included Futabayama. I went to read Futabayama wiki page and stumble upon this:

What does that mean? Was the dohyo smaller before? The source [1] is Dynamic Sumo by Clyde Newton, but I do not have access to it.

No, that increase in diameter (from 15 to 16 shaku, about 30 cm / 1 foot larger) only lasted for one basho, then it reverted to what's still in use today, 15 shaku. That size itself only dates back to 1931, though, before that it was 13 shaku. From what I've read the justification for that increase was that the era's average sumo wrestler had a lot more height and thus range than their predecessors did when the 13-shaku size has been set, and actual research went into making that decision. The brief increase in 1945, on the other hand, was AFAIK just part of some hectic attempts to appeal to the occupying authorities, perhaps trying to avoid getting outlawed by demonstrating sumo's attractiveness. IIRC there was also one honbasho which they essentially ran exhibition-style, with an announcer doing live English exposition for the mostly American military audience.

Edited May 21 by Asashosakari

[Oskanohana 181]

Apart from zensho-yushos, query of the makuuchi rikishi who have appeared on the dohyo and ended up unbeaten on it in a basho (1958 onwards, because I don't want to deal with draws and all that nonsense). Takayasu could get to 9 wins and slot on 3rd place behind Kashiwado.

And I said 3rd place because there's a famous one that's missing from the query due to the way it's done. I kinda remembered the feat happening but couldn't point it out and had to bout-query it up in a weird way as I wasn't going to scan manually 100+ of those kind of records. A cookie for the first one that remembers it and posts it.

I scanned manually the 2 loss group to see if somebody had two fusen losses in a basho (and no more losses), couldn't find anything. If I'm forgetting somebody else (apart from the mysterious guy I mentioned), or somebody can improve the query, please do.

EDIT:Actually, Atagoyama doesn't belong on the list, he's a loser.

Edited May 22 by Oskanohana

[TheGunbaiHolder 24]

11 hours ago, rokudenashi said:

The Shunjūen Incident

Gotta love such hidden gems of sumo history.

[Reonito 1,295]

23 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

And I said 3rd place because there's a famous one that's missing from the query due to the way it's done. I kinda remembered the feat happening but couldn't point it out and had to bout-query it up in a weird way as I wasn't going to scan manually 100+ of those kind of records. A cookie for the first one that remembers it and posts it.

This I assume?

[Asashosakari 18,650]

I'm watching you, Kazekeno (and Onokatsu)! Thus far, Terutsuyoshi is the only juryo rikishi to get demoted to makushita after a basho in which he defeated an opponent who ended up finishing 14-1.

A more extensive list:

 

Against yusho winners 14-1
2017.11.07 Terutsuyoshi (J9e 4-11 -> Ms1w) def. J7w Sokokurai

Against yusho winners 13-2
1996.11.04 Kanechika (J10e 5-10 -> Ms2e) def. J13w Tochinonada
2008.05.02 Daiyubu (J10e 5-10 -> Ms3e) def. J11e Chiyohakuho

[Honourable mention: 1942.01.01 Nunobiki (J12w 3-12 -> intai) def. J14w Surugaumi]

Against yusho winners 12-3
1967.03.07 Akinokuni (J12e 8-7 -> Ms1e) def. J17w Matsumaeyama
1981.05.02 Takabayama (J10w 4-11 -> Ms4w) def. J4e Azumanada
1991.09.02 Kengaku (J11w 4-11 -> Ms6w) def. J5e Daizen
1998.09.07 Toyozakura (J12e 7-8 -> Ms1w) def. J8e Chiyotenzan
2002.01.14 Gojoro (J13w 7-8 -> Ms1e) def. J5w Takamisakari
2009.05.01 Sagatsukasa (J14e 7-8 -> Ms1e) def. J13w Tamaasuka
2011.11.09 Chiyoarashi (J10e 4-6-5 -> Ms3e) def. J14e Ikioi
2018.11.03 Gokushindo (J13w 4-11 -> Ms4e) def. J14w Tomokaze
2019.09.03 Seiro (J12e 2-7-6 -> Ms6w) def. J12w Ikioi
2021.01.14 Ryuko (J14e 6-9 -> Ms4w) def. J8e Tsurugisho

[Honourable mention: 1985.03.02 Fujizakura (J9w 3-12 -> intai) def. J4w Tamaryu]

Against other 12-3's or better
1954.03.02 Terumiyama (J21w 5-10 -> Ms2w) def. J21e Chikugoyama 13-2 D
1959.01.01 Tachikaze (J22e 6-9 -> Ms3w) def. J22w Oiteyama 12-3 D
2013.05.04 Kizenryu (J11e 6-9 -> Ms2e) def. J13w Kagamio 12-3
2015.11.04 Daido (J13w 6-9 -> Ms2w) def. J12e Daishomaru 12-3

Against yusho winners 11-4
1949.10.05 Mitateyama (J13w 5-10 -> Ms1w) def. J11w Kotogahama
1962.07.03 Onosaki (J17w 4-11 -> Ms5e) def. J16e Kotozakura
1976.11.02 Kototateyama (J10e 6-9 -> Ms1w) def. J4w Daigo
1977.05.01 Kasuganada (J13w 7-8 -> Ms1e) def. J13e Dewanohana
1979.01.03 Kasuganada (J9e 5-10 -> Ms2e) def. J4e Oshio
1982.07.03 Kaio (J12w 5-10 -> Ms6w) def. J7e Wakasegawa
1984.11.08 Kaio (J11w 6-9 -> Ms2e) def. J10w Kotochitose
1989.01.05 Morinosato (J13e 6-9 -> Ms2w) def. J5w Tochitsukasa
1993.11.05 Tochinofuji (J11e 5-9-1  -> Ms4e) def. J4w Asanowaka
1995.01.02 Kirinishiki (J7w 4-11 -> Ms2w) def. J2e Asahiyutaka
1995.11.09 Saigo (J13e 6-9 -> Ms2w) def. J9w Wakanoyama
1996.07.02 Wakanoyama (J10e 4-11 -> Ms3w) def. J5e Daizen
2021.03.03 Yago (J10w 4-11 -> Ms1w) def. J9w Hakuyozan
2022.11.09 Tokushoryu (J12e 4-11 -> Ms2w) def. J12w Oshoma

Against yusho winners 10-5
1974.11.01 Kiyonohana (J11w 6-9 -> Ms2w) def. J11e Banryuyama
1989.09.02 Kotohakusan (J13w 4-11 -> Ms5w) def. J9e Ryukozan
1996.01.04 Gokenzan (J13e 5-10 -> Ms5w) def. J9e Rikio
2017.09.08 Kizenryu (J14w 6-6-3 -> Ms2w) def. J11w Abi

Edited May 22 by Asashosakari