Trivia bits

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3 hours ago, Reonito said:

Unless someone is a late scratch, this will be the first basho since Haru 2019, and only the 6th this century, with no fusen in the top division.

Which also means it would be one of the very few basho without a single Makuuchi-Juryo match.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

On 19/09/2023 at 12:00, Jakusotsu said:

On 19/09/2023 at 10:05, Akinomaki said:

Seeing m11w Hokuseiho in the first bout made me wonder who the highest ranked rikishi in the first makuuchi bout was, with makuuchi size 42.

Hatsu 2016, Day 14 - M9e Sadanoumi
Kyushu 2017, Day 15 - M9e Endo

Haru 2017, Day 15 - M9w Kotoyuki

17 instances with M10
53 instances with M11

And then Hokuseiho's appearance was even bested by M11e Mitakeumi two days later - and again today! If you still have the data handy, is Mitakeumi the highest-ranked rikishi to have curtain-jerked twice in the same basho? (Same 42-rikishi makuuchi caveat, of course.)

Edited September 24, 2023 by Asashosakari

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11 hours ago, HeHH1329 said:

Which also means it would be one of the very few basho without a single Makuuchi-Juryo match.

I feel like when i started following sumo that near the end of the tournament they would have 2 such matches if not enough of them took place over the course of the tournament due to an odd number of active top division rikishi.  Fairly soon after that though, they seemed to switch to only doing them when necessary.  I think the fact that none were necessary and that they didn't add in extra ones is part of why the first Makuuchi match featured such high-ranking rikishi on so many occasions.  In this particular basho, it's also partially caused by a lot of same-heya forbidden matchups near the bottom of the banzuke, causing those there to be fighting higher-ranked rikishi than they normally would.  Myogiryu + Sadanoumi (+ Hiradoumi, while not entirely relevant, still cut down on the available matches), Takarafuji +Atamifuji + Nishikifuji (+Midorifuji), Tsurugisho + Daishoho (+ Endo),

Edited September 24, 2023 by Gurowake

[Reonito 1,335]

18 hours ago, Reonito said:

With one day to go, Midorifuji has tied his own makuuchi/sekitori record with 5 katasukashi wins in a basho. Back at Hatsu 2021, the feat got him the ginosho. (There's one other guy who did it in in Jonidan).

And he's broken it with a record 6th katasukashi! Six of his 10 wins by one (rare) technique.

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9 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

And then Hokuseiho's appearance was even bested by M11e Mitakeumi two days later - and again today! If you still have the data handy, is Mitakeumi the highest-ranked rikishi to have curtain-jerked twice in the same basho? (Same 42-rikishi makuuchi caveat, of course.)

Tokushoryu had both the first (day 1) and last (day 15) bout of the basho in the Makuuchi divison in his yusho basho

Edited September 24, 2023 by Faustonowaka

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7 minutes ago, Faustonowaka said:

Tokushoryu had both the first (day 1) and last (day 15) bout of the basho in the Makuuchi divison in his yusho basho

And Hakuoho almost did the same thing last basho, competing in the pennultimate bout on senshuraku

Edited September 24, 2023 by Faustonowaka

[Akinomaki 39,797]

Takakeisho is the 9th kadoban ozeki to get the yusho, the last was Goeido Aki 2016, and only the 2nd to do it after a full kyujo, the first was Chiyotaikai Haru 2003 o

[Akinomaki 39,797]

Trivia of a different kind: didn't happen but the media reported it anyway

It would have been the fastest yusho since dohyo debut for Atamifuji, with 18 basho, Mainichi shimbun presents it as what happened, in the caption to this pic http://mainichi.jp/articles/20230924/spp/000/004/037000c

史上最速となる所要18場所目で初優勝を決めた熱海富士

- They were sure he'd make it and had the article ready, changed the text, but forgot this caption

Hokuseiho would have been the fastest as well, with 21 basho - fastest are still Takahanada and Asashoryu with 24 https://hochi.news/articles/20230923-OHT1T51347.html?page=1

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6 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

They were sure he'd make it and had the article ready, changed the text, but forgot this caption

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13 hours ago, Reonito said:

And he's broken it with a record 6th katasukashi! Six of his 10 wins by one (rare) technique.

Perhaps it's just me, but I don't see anything rare or special with katasukashi. Many times it's just a glorified hikiotoshi.

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22 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Perhaps it's just me, but I don't see anything rare or special with katasukashi. Many times it's just a glorified hikiotoshi.

For me it's a fine and specific kimarite that Midorifuji pulls in a superb way. And, for me at least, easily recognizable. With hikiotoshi I have more identity problems by far. When he wasn't a sekitori, we were lucky to see more than one katasukashi in the top two divisions. 

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23 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

And then Hokuseiho's appearance was even bested by M11e Mitakeumi two days later - and again today! If you still have the data handy, is Mitakeumi the highest-ranked rikishi to have curtain-jerked twice in the same basho? (Same 42-rikishi makuuchi caveat, of course.)

Well, M10e Chiyootori *would* have set that record on the final two days of Hatsu 2016, if only his aite wasn't the aforementioned M9e Sadanoumi on day 14.

Among the M11, two rikishi jerked the curtain three times: M11w Amuru in that notorious Hatsu 2016 (Days 11-13), and M11w Nishikigi in Nagoya 2019 on the final three days.

(...and Mitakeumi was already the fifth to do it twice at M11e)

[Reonito 1,335]

10 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Perhaps it's just me, but I don't see anything rare or special with katasukashi. Many times it's just a glorified hikiotoshi.

There was a whole episode of Dosukoi Sumo Salon that went over it; you should watch it.

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Just now, Reonito said:

There was a whole episode of Dosukoi Sumo Salon that went over it; you should watch it.

To be fair, he's a tiny little guy who goes submarine at the tachiai, so ... if he could pull six uwatenage from there in a tournament, I'd be super impressed.

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10 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Perhaps it's just me, but I don't see anything rare or special with katasukashi. 

It's not just you.

That said, I do find Midorifuji's apparent mastery of the technique fascinating, because I can't see how he does it.

At times he flips big guys on to their back so effortlessly, yet it's obviously not his mass providing the base for the leverage it must require.

I can only conclude that he must be feeling for (and reacting extremely quickly to) things I can't see.

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1 hour ago, Reonito said:

There was a whole episode of Dosukoi Sumo Salon that went over it; you should watch it.

49 minutes? Are you kidding me??

But ok, the first two minutes are a good demonstration of what I was obviously missing - cheers for that!

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4 hours ago, Reonito said:

There was a whole episode of Dosukoi Sumo Salon that went over it; you should watch it.

Thanks for sharing this, the dubbing and music is something else. Oddly compelling though!

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12 minutes ago, Octofuji said:

Thanks for sharing this, the dubbing and music is something else. Oddly compelling though!

The whole series is great!

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3 hours ago, Reonito said:

The whole series is great!

I concur, except for the one where they did an English language version as a subtitute with Hiro and a incredibly uninterested Mushashimaru

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7 hours ago, Reonito said:

The whole series is great!

The series is great, but the original is great, not these versions, and they don't provide VODs for that - except for a week on NHK Plus, which can't be downloaded. And this NHKworld VOD has superior video quality as well.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,248]

Here’s one:

With Atamifuji’s performance, there have been 3 sekitori taking 35 wins over 3 basho within 2 years of their sekitori debut this year. Gounoyama, Hakuoho, and Atamifuji.

The last time this happened was 1958. Kashiwado,Kitabayama, and Anosato. Ultimately achieving Yokozuna, Ozeki, and Sekiwake respectively.

Even someone starting a 35 over 3 run from Juryo is rare, almost a decade between examples in some cases.

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I just posted the old data recently in the Aki 2023 discussion, but here's an update as of that basho's banzuke, along with the methodology used.  

"Rank" is the title or division in question

"#" is the number of rikishi that have that rank as their highest rank and debuted at that rank since the beginning of 1958.  This is very close to the previous methodology, though I can't say it's exactly the same.  Why did I pick that year?  I don't know.  But it's fairly clear the data is complete to that far back.  I had to filter by either hatsu dohyo, rank debut, or intai basho, and the table in the database is ordered by rank debut, so that was the easiest one to use as the one to filter by, as it just required looking at the number of rows in Excel rather than look for rikishi out of order with either of the other two dates, or get Excel to interpret them as dates and reorder according to those dates.  This is the raw data.  The rest of the numbers are based solely on this data.

"# higher" is the number of rikishi that had a higher rank than the one listed.  Adding this to the above number gives the total number that attained the given rank.

"% promoted" is the percentage of rikishi who attained that rank that also attained a higher rank.

"% total" is the percentage of total rikishi who had that max rank.

"cumul %" is the cumulative percentage of total rikishi who held that rank or a higher one, so you can see just what percentage of total rikishi that are promoted to each rank out of the total.

 

Rank	#	# higher	% promoted	% total	cumul %
Yokozuna	29			0.34%	0.34%
Ozeki	39	29	42.65%	0.46%	0.80%
Sekiwake	87	68	43.87%	1.02%	1.82%
Komusubi	74	155	67.69%	0.87%	2.68%
Maegashira	270	229	45.89%	3.16%	5.84%
Juryo	295	499	62.85%	3.46%	9.30%
Makushita	1754	794	31.16%	20.54%	29.84%
Sandanme	2112	2548	54.68%	24.74%	54.58%
Jonidan	2753	4660	62.86%	32.24%	86.82%
Jonokuchi	1125	7413	86.82%	13.18%	100.00%
Total	8538

My guess is that the previous data was collected before the large increase in the number of new Sekiwake in 2016, as there are now fewer rikishi who've topped out at Komusubi than Sekiwake.  The % promoted numbers are all roughly similar to before.

 

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Your previous study was posted here:

 

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On 20/07/2023 at 14:28, Katooshu said:

To the people who are better at searches than me - is it possible to find the most tournaments it took someone to make it from juryo to makuuchi with 100 percent KK in juryo? Inspired by Roga on track for his 5th juryo KK in as many basho, yet at the moment still not locked for a makuuchi promotion even if he achieves it.

Would be much appreciated! 

 

On 20/07/2023 at 15:08, Asashosakari said:

Only iteratively.

9 - none
8 - none
7 - four cases (all in the pre-1967 big-juryo era)
6 - none
5 - seven cases, most recently in 1995

Edit: Daishoho needed 7 tournaments a few years ago, but starting with a juryo return, not a debut.

Roga now made it after 6 basho in juryo

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12516

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There has been one recorded instance of a rikishi winning the Makuuchi Yusho in the basho after they won the Juryo Yusho.  Unless you already knew this, I don't think you could possibly guess who did it.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_y=on&form1_j=on&form2_y=on&form2_m=on

Edited November 16, 2023 by Gurowake