Fashiritētā 169 Posted July 15, 2023 4 hours ago, RabidJohn said: Make that 4. I knew it was unusual or I wouldn't have commented on it in the Results thread, but I didn't know it was a first. He claimed to be annoyed with himself after the 2nd, but I wonder if the old dog is now thinking, "Well I never - this belt stuff actually works!" It’s like an accidental hybrid style, befuddling himself and his opponents. Hopefully he just keeps rolling with the punches all the way to another Yusho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) Longest winning streaks by rikishi ranked as maegashira (prior wins in juryo or subsequent wins in sanyaku do not count), 15-bout era since 1949.05. 16Tokitsuyama 1953.03.15 - 1953.05.15 M4w 6-9 / M6e 15-0 Y 15Tamanoumi 1957.11.01-15 M14e 15-0 Y 14Wakamisugi 1960.05.02-15 M4w 14-1 YWakamisugi 1961.09.10 - 1961.11.08 M4e 7-8 / M5e 11-4Kiyokuni 1964.01.01-14 M13e 14-1 JAsasekiryu 2004.01.14 - 2004.03.12 M12e 7-8 / M12w 13-2 JNishikigi 2023.05.08 - 2023.07.06 M4w 9-6 / M1e ? 13Mitoizumi 1986.03.05 - 1986.05.02 M12w 12-3 J / M1w 6-9Kotofuji 1991.07.01-13 M13e 14-1 YToyonoshima 2010.11.04 - 2011.01.01 M9w 14-1 D / M1e 8-7Tokushoryu 2020.01.03-15 M17w 14-1 Y 12Wakachichibu 1960.03.14 - 1960.05.10 M9e 5-10 / M14w 13-2 JMutsuarashi 1967.03.04-15 M14e 13-2 JNagaoka 1978.11.09 - 1979.01.05 M13w 9-6 / M6e 10-5Takahanada 1992.01.04-15 M2e 14-1 YTakatoriki 2000.03.01-12 M14e 13-2 YTochinonada 2003.01.05 - 2003.03.01 M10e 11-4 J / M2e 9-6 11's and 10's spoilered for space reasons. 11Terunobori 1952.01.01-11 M8w 12-3Kotogahama 1957.03.02-12 M8e 12-3 JTaiho 1960.01.01-11 M13w 12-3 JKainoyama 1965.11.15 - 1966.01.10 M2e 3-12 / M11w 12-3Kirinji 1982.03.05-15 M5e 11-4 JDewanohana 1984.11.14 - 1985.01.09 M1w 4-11 / M9w 11-4 JTakahanada 1991.03.01-11 M13e 12-3 JOginishiki 1997.03.10 - 1997.05.05 M15e 11-4 / M5w 11-4Takatoriki 1998.03.13 - 1998.05.08 M4w 7-8 / M5e 9-6Kotonishiki 1998.11.01-11 M12w 14-1 YKotomitsuki 2001.09.04-14 M2e 13-2 YTochiozan 2008.11.13 - 2009.01.08 M9e 6-9 / M12e 10-5Kyokutenho 2012.07.14 - 2012.09.09 M1e 2-13 / M11e 10-5Kotoyuki 2016.03.05-15 M1e 12-3Takayasu 2021.11.15 - 2022.03.10 M5e 6-9 / M7e 12-3 D [Covid-19 kyujo 2022.01]Ryuden 2022.09.06 - 2022.11.01 M12w 11-4 J / M6w 9-6 10Onobori 1951.05.04-13 M14e 12-3 JOtachi 1954.09.05-14 M10e 11-4Dewanishiki 1955.09.04-13 M8e 12-3Shimizugawa 1956.01.05-14 M20e 12-3Tsurugamine 1956.01.06-15 M10e 14-1 DTochihikari 1957.01.06-15 M6w 12-3 JTokitsuyama 1958.07.08 - 1958.09.02 M10e 10-5 / M4e 12-3 JKashiwado 1959.01.13 - 1959.03.07 M16e 8-7 / M13w 13-2 JAtagoyama 1959.07.15 - 1959.09.09 M12w 4-1-10 / M15w 11-4Fujinishiki 1959.11.03-12 M11e 12-3 JTokitsuyama 1960.03.05-14 M11e 12-3Dewanishiki 1961.07.09 - 1961.09.03 M7e 9-4-2 / M3e 11-4Fujinishiki 1964.07.01-10 M9w 14-1 YWakasugiyama 1965.01.08 - 1965.03.02 M13w 12-3 J / M1w 5-10Myobudani 1965.05.04-13 M4e 11-4 JKongo 1975.07.06-15 M1w 13-2 YTakatoriki 1993.03.14 - 1993.05.08 M12e 9-6 / M6w 11-4Kotonowaka 1998.07.02-11 M9w 11-4Toki 1999.09.12 - 1999.11.06 M3e 6-9 / M5w 9-6 Kotoshogiku 2005.05.08 - 2005.07.02 M14e 10-5 / M9e 8-7Homasho 2006.11.02-11 M11e 12-3 JKotoshogiku 2006.11.07 - 2007.01.01 M2e 10-5 / M1e 9-6Homasho 2010.07.01-10 M13e 11-4 JAran 2010.07.06-15 M2e 11-4 JGagamaru 2011.09.02-11 M11w 11-4Kyokutenho 2012.05.06-15 M7w 12-3 YSadanoumi 2015.03.10 - 2015.05.04 M2e 7-8 / M3e 8-7Ishiura 2016.11.02-11 M15e 10-5Hokutofuji 2018.07.13 - 2018.09.07 M16e 11-4 / M9e 9-6Tochiozan 2018.09.11 - 2018.11.05 M7w 8-7 / M2e 8-7Okinoumi 2019.07.14 - 2019.09.08 M8w 8-7 / M8e 11-4Daieisho 2020.11.14 - 2021.01.08 M2w 10-5 / M1w 13-2 YIchiyamamoto 2022.03.11 - 2022.05.05 M17w 8-7 / M15w 8-7Abi 2022.11.11 - 2023.01.05 M9w 12-3 Y / M3e 8-7Midorifuji 2023.03.01-10 M5w 10-5 Edited July 15, 2023 by Asashosakari 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted July 15, 2023 8 hours ago, RabidJohn said: Make that 4. I knew it was unusual or I wouldn't have commented on it in the Results thread, but I didn't know it was a first. He claimed to be annoyed with himself after the 2nd, but I wonder if the old dog is now thinking, "Well I never - this belt stuff actually works!" He's got 41 yorikiri wins in his career, and 4 of those are on days 4-7 of this basho! Maybe he figured at 38 he needed a new trick, if he's to stay in Makuuchi for another decade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,727 Posted July 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Reonito said: He's got 41 yorikiri wins in his career, and 4 of those are on days 4-7 of this basho! Maybe he figured at 38 he needed a new trick, if he's to stay in Makuuchi for another decade He has more yorikiri wins in this basho than he did in the year 2022! He went through the years 2006, 2012, 2017, 2018 and 2020 without a yorikiri win. On only four occasions has he had two yorikiri wins in the same basho. Yeah, this is an anomaly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooner 39 Posted July 18, 2023 Today Aoiyama surpassed Tochitenki on the all time hatakikomi wins list. He's now second behind ex-Sekiwake Masudayama with 139. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 635 Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Gooner said: second behind ex-Sekiwake Masudayama Ahh, yes. Remembered by those of us that followed sumo in the 70s a poster-boy for mediocrity. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Gooner said: Today Aoiyama surpassed Tochitenki on the all time hatakikomi wins list. He's now second behind ex-Sekiwake Masudayama with 139. Probably not, considering Tochitenko's lower division kimarite record is wildly incomplete (only 449 of 647 career wins). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,135 Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) To the people who are better at searches than me - is it possible to find the most tournaments it took someone to make it from juryo to makuuchi with 100 percent KK in juryo? Inspired by Roga on track for his 5th juryo KK in as many basho, yet at the moment still not locked for a makuuchi promotion even if he achieves it. Would be much appreciated! Edited July 20, 2023 by Katooshu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 384 Posted July 20, 2023 It seems to be 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Katooshu said: To the people who are better at searches than me - is it possible to find the most tournaments it took someone to make it from juryo to makuuchi with 100 percent KK in juryo? Inspired by Roga on track for his 5th juryo KK in as many basho, yet at the moment still not locked for a makuuchi promotion even if he achieves it. Would be much appreciated! Only iteratively. 9 - none8 - none7 - four cases (all in the pre-1967 big-juryo era)6 - none5 - seven cases, most recently in 1995 Edit: Daishoho needed 7 tournaments a few years ago, but starting with a juryo return, not a debut. Edited July 20, 2023 by Asashosakari 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,135 Posted July 20, 2023 Much appreciated! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 522 Posted July 20, 2023 On the topic of Juryo, anyone watching Tomokaze's return closely might be a little miffed by the quality of sumo. Seems like every bout is a hatakikomi. In fact, with 8 wins by hatakikomi (of his 10 so far) he already has the unequalled record for that kimarite to be used in one basho. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&group_by2=rikishi1&having=8&kimarite=7&onlyw1=on Also his current streak of 5 consecutive wins by hatakikomi is a record, but in this case there is an equal - in 1956 Masumiyama did the same - interestingly enough, also from days 8-12 and also in Juryo. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&group_by2=rikishi1&having=5&day=8-12&kimarite=7&onlyw1=on One more aside: Kyokunankai has the unfortunate distinction of being the only rikishi with 8 losses by hatakikomi in one basho - on his first and only Makuuchi outing in Aki 2010. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=371&b=201009 https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&group_by2=rikishi1&having=8&kimarite=7 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 886 Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) The thing with hatakikomi being that hard to pull consistently is that people will generally notice; and, if properly predicted, it's much easier to prevent/dodge than an oshi rampage or power yotsu since it mostly requires not overextending your own body while pushing forward. Not sure if I should commend Tomokaze for having an impeccable sense of opportunity, berate his opponents for overexposing themselves when they should know better, or both! Edited July 20, 2023 by Koorifuu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) I hope nobody's surprised, though, because this is exactly how he fought before the injury, too. We'll never know now because the injury got in the way right as things were going to get interesting, but unlike the vast majority of people at the time I didn't think that Tomokaze would have any sort of staying power at the joi level, exactly because his brand of sumo isn't the type that stays successful after repeated exposure to the same opponents. Edited July 20, 2023 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Asashosakari said: I hope nobody's surprised, though, because this is exactly how he fought before the injury, too. We'll never know now because the injury got in the way right as things were going to get interesting, but unlike the vast majority of people at the time I didn't think that Tomokaze would have any sort of staying power at the joi level, exactly because his brand of sumo isn't the type that stays successful after repeated exposure to the same opponents. That kimarite got him two kinboshi off Kakuryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted July 21, 2023 Koshikudake Kak wasn't exactly in his prime by then. A sterner test would be against Hakuōhō, for instance, or even Nishikigi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted July 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, Seiyashi said: Koshikudake Kak wasn't exactly in his prime by then. A sterner test would be against Hakuōhō, for instance, or even Nishikigi. In the first of those basho, Kakuryu got a 14-1 Y; that was his only loss (he beat fully participating 12-3 Hakuho). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yokozuna Hattorizakura 151 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) Tochiseiryu is now 0-6 in yusho deciding matches (1 Jk, 1 Sd, 4 Ms). Interestingly, all of these losses were to rikishi who made it to the sekitori ranks. 2014.05 Jk - Shodai 2017.05 Sd - Murata (Asashiyu) 2018.01 Ms - Wakatakakage 2020.05 Ms - Chiyonokuni 2020.07 Ms - Terasawa (Asanowaka) 2023.07 Ms - Tokihayate His 2 non yusho deciding 6-1s also include to losses to Shiden and Tsushimanda. Has anyone lost more deciders without a yusho? I see Tochitenko with 7 (though 2 of those were multi man 6-1 playoffs, which he lost before the final round, so i'm not sure those count.) Edited July 22, 2023 by Yokozuna Hattorizakura 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 22, 2023 On 14/07/2023 at 17:58, Chiyotasuke said: In makuuchi, there are a record 12 rikishi whose shikona contain "shō/shou". Aki 2000 was the last time when no makuuchi rikishi had this in their shikona. In a similar vein, I just realized that we currently have an all-time high number of sekitori with *umi / *noumi shikona. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted July 22, 2023 On 14/07/2023 at 23:58, Chiyotasuke said: 2023 Nagoya Banzuke Trivias It's the first time since 2016.7 that there are no university rikishi (graduated or not) in sanyaku. In makuuchi, there are a record 12 rikishi whose shikona contain "shō/shou". Aki 2000 was the last time when no makuuchi rikishi had this in their shikona. A bit of a false alarm though. Many of them are attributable to Oitekaze's Shō, but Takakeishō, Ōnoshō, Hōshōryū, Kotoshōhō, Shōnannoumi and Shōdai all use different kanji. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyotasuke 260 Posted July 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Seiyashi said: A bit of a false alarm though. Many of them are attributable to Oitekaze's Shō, but Takakeishō, Ōnoshō, Hōshōryū, Kotoshōhō, Shōnannoumi and Shōdai all use different kanji. I don't care what kanji they are, but shou is shou! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted July 23, 2023 As far as I can tell, 6 kanto-sho and 8 total san-sho blows aways the previous records of 3 and 5, respectively. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,923 Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Reonito said: As far as I can tell, 6 kanto-sho and 8 total san-sho blows aways the previous records of 3 and 5, respectively. Seiyashi already went into all the records broken in the main thread (Nagoya 2023). The previous record of total sansho was 6, in Hatsu 1992 and Hatsu 2020, but there were repeat winners each of those times. The number of unique winners maxed at 5 before. Edited July 23, 2023 by Gurowake 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshotakamoto 256 Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 7 out of 38 https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&rowcount=5&op=<=&sum_wins=18&sum_range=2&form1_j=on&form2_rank=J4e,J5e,J6e,J7e,J8e,J9e&form2_wins=11&form2_j=on This seems like a reasonable refinement. 7 out of 32https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&rowcount=5&sum_range=1&form1_losses=8,9,10&form1_j=on&form2_rank=J4e,J5e,J6e,J7e,J8e,J9e&form2_wins=11&form2_j=on Rikishi name starts with A through Jhttps://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&rowcount=5&sum_range=1&group_by=rikishi&form1_losses=8,9,10&form1_j=on&form2_rank=J4e,J5e,J6e,J7e,J8e,J9e&form2_wins=11&form2_j=on Edited July 23, 2023 by Hoshotakamoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshotakamoto 256 Posted July 23, 2023 On 26/11/2016 at 01:31, Atenzan said: Idea! when was the last calendar year with 5 different yusho winners? Be back in a bit. I see these were more innocent times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
