sahaven111 172 Posted March 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Kaitetsu said: Yusho winner Spoilers below!!! Hide contents After 96 years of Futabayama winning a Yusho as shin-sekiwake, Wakatakakage won it last year as a shin-sekiwake, and now after exactly a year, Kiribayama wins it as shin-sekiwake. Very interesting fact, but i thought i'd let you know it's 86 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaitetsu 277 Posted March 26, 2023 1 hour ago, sahaven111 said: Very interesting fact, but i thought i'd let you know it's 86 years Aw damn, thank you 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,724 Posted March 27, 2023 8 hours ago, sahaven111 said: Very interesting fact, but i thought i'd let you know it's 86 years [Don't say it ... don't say it ... don't say it ... ah, heck ... ] What was it like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faustonowaka 112 Posted March 27, 2023 6 out of the last 7 yusho were won with a 12-3 record (and the 7th was a 13-2), the only such stretch in history Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted March 28, 2023 It's not very often that the Juryo yusho winner has more wins than the makuuchi yusho winner, but it's not super rare as well as this basho was the 27th time in the 15 day era that it happened. But it is the first time that this happened two basho in a row as it already was the case in Hatsu 2023. And it's only the third time after Haru 1954 and Kyushu 2007 that not only one, but two Juryo rikishi had more wins than any Makuuchi rikishi. While I'm on this topic, last basho and this basho were the 5th and 6th time in the 15 day era that the Juryo yusho winner had two more wins than the makuuchi yusho winner and the first two times featuring 14 to 12 wins (Haru 2006, Kyushu 1961, Haru 1955 were 15-0 by future Ozeki and Kyushu 1996 had a 5 rikishi tie at 11-4 in Makuuchi). 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 1,989 Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) If none of the former champions will call it quits, the next banzuke will list 13 former Makuuchi yusho champions. Record. 13 ► V 2023 12 ► I-III 2023 11 ► VII-IX 2000, XI 2020, III 2021, IX-XI 2022 10 ► III-V 2000, V-IX 2002, I 2003, VII 2019-IX 2020, I 2021, V-IX 2021, V-VII 2022 Edited March 28, 2023 by yorikiried by fate 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 1,989 Posted March 28, 2023 Oh and the current record for number of former Makuuchi champions actually competing in Makuuchi stands at 10, which was in VII 2020. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted March 28, 2023 3 hours ago, yorikiried by fate said: Oh and the current record for number of former Makuuchi champions actually competing in Makuuchi stands at 10, which was in VII 2020. Surely next basho will also break it with 11, since Asanoyama and Ichinojō are going back up (or to put it another way, AFAIK only Tochinoshin and Tokushōryū are languishing outside makuuchi). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 1,989 Posted March 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Seiyashi said: Surely next basho will also break it with 11, since Asanoyama and Ichinojō are going back up (or to put it another way, AFAIK only Tochinoshin and Tokushōryū are languishing outside makuuchi). Sure, I'm just being careful here. Maybe one still does something outlandishly stupid like eating the okamisan's puppy (looking at you Ichinojo....) and gets insta-intaied. Also, while the banzuke should be already done IIRC, there have been cases were late-announced intais still lead to a blank spot or something like that, I cannot be arsed to check. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wakawakawaka 136 Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) On 19/03/2023 at 22:48, BlckKnght said: I threw together some data today to see which active rikishi is the most capable technician. Its fun stats, but probably doesn't deserve its own thread, so I'll throw it in here. My metric: Of all wins by all active rikishi, who has the greatest cumulative share of all of the winning techniques? That is, if you are the only one to have ever used a technique, you get 100% added to your total. If you've used a move 3 times and somebody else has used it only once, you'd get 75% added. Each yorikiri win is worth 0.001126%. Here's the list of everyone with more than a 50% score, together with the moves they have more than 3% of: Jd57w Satonofuji 326% tasukizori: 64%, zubuneri: 63%, izori: 62%, uchigake: 23%, kainahineri: 17%, kawazugake: 12%, kakenage: 12%, ushiromotare: 11%, ipponzeoi: 10%, kotehineri: 6%, sotogake: 6%, kirikaeshi: 6%, watashikomi: 5%, kubinage: 5%, susoharai: 5%, utchari: 4% Sd90w Ishiura 220% mitokorozeme: 100%, susotori: 50%, komatasukui: 23%, shitatehineri: 9%, susoharai: 5%, harimanage: 4%, hansoku: 4%, shitatedashinage: 4%, ashitori: 3% Ms1w Terutsuyoshi 218% kozumatori: 50%, sotokomata: 33%, okurigake: 25%, koshinage: 20%, sakatottari: 12%, ashitori: 10%, zubuneri: 9%, komatasukui: 9%, tottari: 7%, kainahineri: 6%, ketaguri: 4% Sd55w Kyokutaisei 210% chongake: 67%, ketaguri: 52%, susoharai: 37%, nichonage: 13%, kawazugake: 12%, tsukite: 5%, okurinage: 4% M8w Ura 148% okuritsuridashi: 50%, koshinage: 20%, tsutaezori: 17%, ashitori: 10%, tasukizori: 9%, kubihineri: 7%, tottari: 6%, ushiromotare: 6%, okurihikiotoshi: 5%, izori: 4%, hikkake: 4% Jd64w Fujinoteru 146% tsukaminage: 100%, tsutaezori: 33% Sd48w Matsuda 131% nimaigeri: 54%, nichonage: 31%, ketaguri: 9%, sakatottari: 6%, kakenage: 5%, ipponzeoi: 5%, uchigake: 5%, kekaeshi: 3% Ms44w Kotodairyu 120% yaguranage: 100%, komatasukui: 5% Sd86w Asatenmai 108% okuritsuridashi: 50%, ipponzeoi: 14%, izori: 8%, ushiromotare: 6%, watashikomi: 5%, kubihineri: 3% S1e Wakatakakage 107% okuritsuriotoshi: 100% J8e Hidenoumi 75% waridashi: 50%, ushiromotare: 11% M5w Midorifuji 71% okurigake: 25%, uchimuso: 11%, katasukashi: 7%, hansoku: 5%, koshikudake: 4% J2w Tochinoshin 69% tsuridashi: 16%, tsuriotoshi: 11%, kubihineri: 7%, uchimuso: 5%, harimanage: 4%, koshikudake: 4% Sd13e Keitenkai 66% kozumatori: 25%, kirikaeshi: 7%, chongake: 4%, shitatehineri: 4%, kekaeshi: 3% M1e Tamawashi 65% gasshohineri: 33%, hansoku: 4%, kubihineri: 3% Jd53w Mori 63% nichonage: 31%, nimaigeri: 8%, sotogake: 6% Jk10e Motokiyama 63% tsuriotoshi: 11%, izori: 8%, kainahineri: 6%, ipponzeoi: 5%, shitatehineri: 4%, kubihineri: 3%, tokkurinage: 3% M16e Chiyoshoma 62% susoharai: 7%, okurihikiotoshi: 5%, chongake: 4%, harimanage: 4%, tottari: 4%, uchigake: 4%, kekaeshi: 3% M13w Kotoeko 59% amiuchi: 18%, uchimuso: 11%, kakenage: 9%, ipponzeoi: 5% M7w Takayasu 59% komatasukui: 14%, uwatehineri: 6%, ushiromotare: 6% K2w Tobizaru 58% kekaeshi: 18%, sakatottari: 6%, okurihikiotoshi: 5%, komatasukui: 5%, ketaguri: 4%, fumidashi: 4%, kubihineri: 3% Jd76w Sakura 58% waridashi: 50% Jd13w Asakiryu 58% tsutaezori: 33%, tasukizori: 9%, ashitori: 7%, uchimuso: 5% M11e Azumaryu 57% kozumatori: 25%, uwatedashinage: 4%, kirikaeshi: 4% Sd25w Sazanami 57% gasshohineri: 33%, ipponzeoi: 5%, harimanage: 4%, sotogake: 4% Sd61e Shinyashiki 56% okurigake: 25%, amiuchi: 8%, kubihineri: 7%, kekaeshi: 3% Sd35e Shosei 56% zubuneri: 16%, kainahineri: 10%, watashikomi: 5%, makiotoshi: 4%, izori: 4% Jd95e Urutora 55% ashitori: 10%, uchigake: 8%, kirikaeshi: 5%, ipponzeoi: 5%, shitatehineri: 5%, izori: 4% Sd62e Asanojo 53% koshinage: 20%, sokubiotoshi: 7%, okurinage: 4% Sd32w Aratakayama 52% susotori: 50% Sd17w Katsunofuji 51% sabaori: 25%, tsuriotoshi: 11%, koshikudake: 4% Jd10e Tsugaruumi 51% okurigake: 25%, uchimuso: 5% Jd5e Sekizuka 50% osakate: 29%, tokkurinage: 10% Satonofuji, perhaps best known for the bow twirling he does at the end of each tournament day, is clearly sumo's supreme technician. I guess that makes sense, given that he was chosen to be one of NHK's technique demonstrators. Four techniques have only been used by a single active rikishi: Ishiura's triple attack force out Fujinoteru's lifting throw Kotodairyu's inner thigh throw (which doesn't seem to have any video, it was back in 2009, before he started using his current shikona) Wakatakakage's rear lifting body slam from last year. Very cool to see things like that. Though discontented that Tamawashi is represented due to having done sumo since the early Jomon period, and odd one is bound to happen after that long. So here's a list 'adjusted' by bouts (just wins and losses, not counting kyujo). 'score' = percentage / bouts X 1000 Rank Rikishi % Bouts(excluding kyujo) Adjusted score' Jd13w Asakiryu 58% 84 6.90 Jd64w Fujinoteru 146% 257 5.68 M8w Ura 148% 442 3.35 Sd90w Ishiura 220% 671 3.28 Sd32w Aratakayama 52% 161 3.23 Sd48w Matsuda 131% 412 3.18 Jd57w Satonofuji 326% 1108 2.94 Ms1w Terutsuyoshi 218% 812 2.68 Sd55w Kyokutaisei 210% 854 2.46 S1e Wakatakakage 107% 458 2.34 Ms44w Kotodairyu 120% 573 2.09 M5w Midorifuji 71% 395 1.80 Jd95e Urutora 55% 364 1.51 Sd61e Shinyashiki 56% 379 1.48 Sd25w Sazanami 57% 429 1.33 Jd53w Mori 63% 479 1.32 Jd10e Tsugaruumi 51% 388 1.31 Jd5e Sekizuka 50% 396 1.26 Sd13e Keitenkai 66% 553 1.19 Sd86w Asatenmai 108% 934 1.16 Jk10e Motokiyama 63% 589 1.07 K2w Tobizaru 58% 582 1.00 J8e Hidenoumi 75% 830 0.90 Sd35e Shosei 56% 742 0.75 Jd76w Sakura 58% 819 0.71 M16e Chiyoshoma 62% 889 0.70 Sd62e Asanojo 53% 774 0.68 Sd17w Katsunofuji 51% 787 0.65 M13w Kotoeko 59% 990 0.60 M11e Azumaryu 57% 1003 0.57 J2w Tochinoshin 69% 1290 0.53 M7w Takayasu 59% 1206 0.49 M1e Tamawashi 65% 1509 0.43 Edited March 29, 2023 by Wakawakawaka 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 590 Posted March 30, 2023 16 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said: Very cool to see things like that. Though discontented that Tamawashi is represented due to having done sumo since the early Jomon period, and odd one is bound to happen after that long. So here's a list 'adjusted' by bouts (just wins and losses, not counting kyujo). 'score' = percentage / bouts X 1000 Reveal hidden contents Rank Rikishi % Bouts(excluding kyujo) Adjusted score' Jd13w Asakiryu 58% 84 6.90 Jd64w Fujinoteru 146% 257 5.68 M8w Ura 148% 442 3.35 Sd90w Ishiura 220% 671 3.28 Sd32w Aratakayama 52% 161 3.23 Sd48w Matsuda 131% 412 3.18 Jd57w Satonofuji 326% 1108 2.94 Ms1w Terutsuyoshi 218% 812 2.68 Sd55w Kyokutaisei 210% 854 2.46 S1e Wakatakakage 107% 458 2.34 Ms44w Kotodairyu 120% 573 2.09 M5w Midorifuji 71% 395 1.80 Jd95e Urutora 55% 364 1.51 Sd61e Shinyashiki 56% 379 1.48 Sd25w Sazanami 57% 429 1.33 Jd53w Mori 63% 479 1.32 Jd10e Tsugaruumi 51% 388 1.31 Jd5e Sekizuka 50% 396 1.26 Sd13e Keitenkai 66% 553 1.19 Sd86w Asatenmai 108% 934 1.16 Jk10e Motokiyama 63% 589 1.07 K2w Tobizaru 58% 582 1.00 J8e Hidenoumi 75% 830 0.90 Sd35e Shosei 56% 742 0.75 Jd76w Sakura 58% 819 0.71 M16e Chiyoshoma 62% 889 0.70 Sd62e Asanojo 53% 774 0.68 Sd17w Katsunofuji 51% 787 0.65 M13w Kotoeko 59% 990 0.60 M11e Azumaryu 57% 1003 0.57 J2w Tochinoshin 69% 1290 0.53 M7w Takayasu 59% 1206 0.49 M1e Tamawashi 65% 1509 0.43 Isn't there this stats called KV50 and also the kimarite count in sumodb? Doesn't seem to be query-able though, so we can't sort rikishi by those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) Before Kiribayama, there had been 14 occasions since 1958 when a lower san'yaku rikishi totaled 23+ wins over 2 basho without immediately getting promoted to ozeki. 12 of those led to ozeki promotion after the following basho. The exceptions were both during a single 4-basho stretch when Miyabiyama was unsuccessful in regaining his previous ozeki rank. So the odds are good. Edited April 1, 2023 by Reonito 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlckKnght 22 Posted April 3, 2023 On 29/03/2023 at 16:53, Wakawakawaka said: Very cool to see things like that. Though discontented that Tamawashi is represented due to having done sumo since the early Jomon period, and odd one is bound to happen after that long. Yeah, my metric does reward long careers, a bit, though rare techniques are much more important than just stacking up wins with common techniques. I tried my own version of your scaling metric, though I scaled by wins only, not wins+losses (simply because I haven't written code to accumulate loss data). I also computed the KV50 value that SumoDB uses, for comparison. The scaled metric is quite interesting, as it highlights a few young technicians who are using rare techniques a lot more than you'd expect, given the length of their careers. KV50, by contrast, emphasizes diversity of techniques, without accounting for their rarity. Here's the top 30 active wrestlers, sorted by a win-scaled metric: Name Score Scaled KV50 Yamato 34% 15.36 11.3 Asakiryu 58% 14.04 13.3 Fujinoteru 146% 9.98 17.3 Ishii 49% 8.99 11.5 Kosei 4% 8.84 5.0 Aratakayama 52% 6.37 10.5 Matsuda 131% 6.35 18.4 Ishiura 220% 6.26 16.0 Satonofuji 326% 6.05 19.5 Ura 148% 5.35 16.2 Terutsuyoshi 218% 5.32 18.1 Kyokutaisei 210% 4.68 16.9 Kotodairyu 120% 4.11 14.9 Chiyotaiyo 36% 4.08 17.3 Wakatakakage 107% 4.06 11.8 Nishikiori 4% 3.88 7.0 Kainoshima 49% 3.85 16.4 Oyamada 8% 3.82 13.2 Urutora 55% 3.50 17.7 Sazanami 57% 3.42 16.5 Shinyashiki 56% 3.20 15.9 Midorifuji 71% 3.19 16.5 Sekizuka 50% 3.10 13.4 Raiho 12% 3.06 15.2 Hinataryu 33% 3.03 14.9 Gaia 8% 2.84 11.8 Mori 63% 2.78 14.8 Chiyokozan 18% 2.67 12.2 Dairinzan 4% 2.65 8.8 Kurokage 48% 2.64 12.6 And for reference, here's the top 30 by KV50: Name Score Scaled KV50 Satonofuji 326% 6.05 19.5 Motokiyama 63% 2.28 18.6 Hoshoryu 48% 2.27 18.5 Matsuda 131% 6.35 18.4 Terutsuyoshi 218% 5.32 18.1 Wakaonehara 10% 2.49 17.8 Urutora 55% 3.50 17.7 Kotoryusei 31% 1.39 17.6 Chiyotaiyo 36% 4.08 17.3 Fujinoteru 146% 9.98 17.3 Kiyonohana 6% 1.31 17.2 Chiyoshoma 62% 1.39 17.1 Wakatakamoto 32% 1.11 17.1 Kyokutaisei 210% 4.68 16.9 Kiribayama 45% 1.58 16.9 Kaiseijo 20% 1.07 16.6 Tsugaruumi 51% 2.39 16.6 Kotoegashira 12% 1.78 16.5 Midorifuji 71% 3.19 16.5 Sazanami 57% 3.42 16.5 Akinishiki 15% 1.77 16.4 Kainoshima 49% 3.85 16.4 Keitenkai 66% 2.06 16.3 Ura 148% 5.35 16.2 Dewataikai 31% 1.46 16.2 Nihonmatsu 22% 2.21 16.2 Miyagi 6% 1.25 16.2 Enho 46% 2.08 16.1 Ishiura 220% 6.26 16.0 Shinyashiki 56% 3.20 15.9 Satonofuji is back on top! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,724 Posted April 4, 2023 3 hours ago, BlckKnght said: Here's the top 30 active wrestlers, sorted by a win-scaled metric: The win-scale metric may go too far in the other direction:of your top six, only Fujinoteru has more than four years (24 basho) of experience -- Kosei has been in 3 basho, and one of those was mae-zumo! So, maybe a lower cutoff? (I'd make it 30 basho, say, but then you're not me). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) (from the Natsu 2023 banzuke thread) 23 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: Nikkan mentioned a rare case in the banzuke topics: Tochimusashi is only the 2nd in history after a yusho on juryo debut to drop to makushita without reaching makuuchi http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202305020000054.html The first was in 1988 Hidenohana Although it looks like this is pretty rare for any juryo yusho, not just those in a division debut. In addition to Hidenohana and Tochimusashi, excluding rikishi who already were in makuuchi before the juryo yusho: Genbuyama 1927.03Sagahikari 1957.11Hachiya 1976.07Tochiizumi 1983.05Daigaku 1991.11Hakuyozan 2021.03 Edit: Apparently I did almost but not quite the same list seven years ago. Hachiya is on this one but not the older version since he did reach the top division eventually after the makushita detour; let's hope Hakuyozan and Tochimusashi follow his footsteps rather than those of the other five. Edited May 2, 2023 by Asashosakari 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted May 3, 2023 21 hours ago, Asashosakari said: let's hope Hakuyozan and Tochimusashi follow his footsteps rather than those of the other five. I'm personally perfectly okay with those two staying in the lower divisions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyokufuji 61 Posted May 3, 2023 For the DB gurus… how many rikishi have retired after a juryo yusho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sahaven111 172 Posted May 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, Kyokufuji said: For the DB gurus… how many rikishi have retired after a juryo yusho? A quick query suggests he is the first. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=J&form1_y=on&sort_basho=2&sort_by=rank (Genbuyama doesn't appear on the next banzuke as he was demoted to Makushita, the DB not having complete data on toriteki pre-1936. He retired in 1932.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 384 Posted May 3, 2023 You need to sort by the record instead:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=J&form1_y=on&sort_basho=2&sort_by=record&offset=500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted May 4, 2023 If it wasn't for the cancelled March 2020 tournament, we'd be exactly one-third into the current decade right now (20 of 60 tournaments, actually now 19 of presumably 59). Nevertheless, the 2020s already tie for the most makuuchi yusho won with fewer than 13 wins. 1950s: 5 (in 42) 1960s: 5 1970s: 8 1980s: 6 1990s: 8 2000s: 3 2010s: 6 (in 59) 2020s: 8 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,724 Posted May 6, 2023 On 28/03/2023 at 12:47, yorikiried by fate said: Sure, I'm just being careful here. Maybe one still does something outlandishly stupid like eating the okamisan's puppy (looking at you Ichinojo....) and gets insta-intaied. Also, while the banzuke should be already done IIRC, there have been cases were late-announced intais still lead to a blank spot or something like that, I cannot be arsed to check. Knock, knock, the future's calling ... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 1,989 Posted May 10, 2023 On 07/05/2023 at 01:37, Yamanashi said: Knock, knock, the future's calling ... Yeah, well.... And neither Tochinoshin, nor Tokushoryu will ever be back, I'm pretty sure. (Short of Yaocho Scandal 2, which promotes you to M7 with a 6-9 from J5...) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) After 21 completed* sekitori tournaments, Akua has yet to finish one with a single-digit makekoshi; his record comprises 13 KK and 8 scores of 5-10 and worse. * Disregarding a kyujo 3-9-3 record, although he was well on the way to 10+ losses there, too. Edit: The streak ended at 22 tournaments with a 7-8 record in Nagoya 2023. Edited July 23, 2023 by Asashosakari 1 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 522 Posted May 14, 2023 11 hours ago, Asashosakari said: After 21 completed* sekitori tournaments, Akua has yet to finish one with a single-digit makekoshi; his record comprises 13 KK and 8 scores of 5-10 and worse. * Disregarding a kyujo 3-9-3 record, although he was well on the way to 10+ losses there, too. Hence why I call him (lovingly) The Clown. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted May 16, 2023 On 22/03/2023 at 13:54, Reonito said: Enho has run his career losses by oshitaoshi to 49, 4th all-time and trailing the leader, Kitaharima, by 15. His 47 such losses as a sekitori are far and away the most ever, 8 ahead of second-place Terao and Yoshikaze. Enho just became the 4th rikishi to reach the dubious milestone of 50 oshitaoshi losses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
