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With Okinoumi's impending intai, this is the first time in the modern era, and perhaps ever (although i didn't check that) that two top division rikishi (discounting yokozuna or current ozeki) of the same exact rank have retired in consecutive basho; Chiyotairyu at M12W with a 2-6 in Kyushu 2022, followed by Okinoumi at M12W with an 0-6 in Hatsu 2023. although there were also very close incidents of the same rank, but different sides.

It is also the first time (discounting retirements caused by scandal) since July 1991 that two current makuuchi rikishi have retired in consecutive tournaments (Chiyonofuji & Daijuyama in Natsu 1991, followed by Onokuni in Nagoya 1991)

 

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8 hours ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

Ochiai first win as fusensho is first time Tsukedashi rank had fusensho as first win (?)

Against poor Oki, of 0-15 sekitori record fame.

Didn’t Terutsuyoshi also join the club?

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5 minutes ago, rhyen said:

Didn’t Terutsuyoshi also join the club?

In Oki's case, it was his one and only basho as a sekitori, which unfortunately makes him stand out a lot more.

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The record for losses in consecutive basho is 28 (1-14, 1-14) so Terutsuyoshi still has something to aim for

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16 hours ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

Ochiai first win as fusensho is first time Tsukedashi rank had fusensho as first win (?)

Against poor Oki, of 0-15 sekitori record fame.


Guess who the last rikishi to begin his Makushita debut with a fusensho was...

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2 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:


Guess who the last rikishi to begin his Makushita debut with a fusensho was...

- Ochiai goes 4-3 and gets promoted to ms10
- Nakamura joins anything but Miyagino and debuts on Haru
- Ochiai no-shows his first bout
- The cycle goes on

You heard it here first!

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You know what's very special about Atamifuji? He's the first sekitori (and makuuchi) who was born after the Sumo Forum first opened on Dec 8th 2001. I also read that the forum's been up for few weeks prior to its official opening.

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17 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

- Ochiai goes 4-3 and gets promoted to ms10
- Nakamura joins anything but Miyagino and debuts on Haru
- Ochiai no-shows his first bout
- The cycle goes on

You heard it here first!

Where's Ridiculous Predictions when you need it? (Laughing...)

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On Day 10, Chiyonoo became the first makekoshi makushita rikishi in over 16 years to appear in juryo for his fifth or sixth match.

Day 9 at 0-4, last in 1988.01
Day 10 at 0-5 or 1-4, last in 2006.11 (before Chiyonoo)
Day 11 at 0-5 or 1-4, last in 2000.03
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Day 12 at 0-6, 1-5 or 2-4, last in 2017.01
Day 13 at 0-6, 1-5 or 2-4, last in 2012.01
Day 14 at 0-6, 1-5 or 2-4, last in 2018.01 (not counting an 8th match appearance in 2018.11)
Day 15 at 0-6, 1-5 or 2-4, last in 2016.07 (also followed by several 8th matches since)


 

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8 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

On Day 10, Chiyonoo became the first makekoshi makushita rikishi in over 16 years to appear in juryo for his fifth or sixth match.

Yeah, what was up with that? Scheduled before he lost his 4th?

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12 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Yeah, what was up with that? Scheduled before he lost his 4th?

Day 10 and 9 are scheduled together for the lower ranks, the NSK posted day 10 on day 8 on the fan site. Chiyonoo was scheduled for both days, so yes.

The last three days ms and below are already posted on day 12.

Edit: you have to register for the free juryo course to get access https://fanclub.sumo.or.jp/contents/609258

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42 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Day 10 and 9 are scheduled together for the lower ranks

They really don't have to decide this until they are making the Day 10 sekitori pairings, because generally anyone in Makushita that would get put into Juryo is fighting on the first day of each round.  It might be that they do decide then because it's customary in the lower divisions to know which day(s) you're fighting when the schedule comes out for each round. 

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Yeah, no, the fill-in rikishi for juryo are pretty clearly chosen separately each day, not in advance. Has nothing to do with the makushita and under scheduling, and the Fanclub site schedule preview obviously didn't include Chiyonoo's Day 10 juryo appearance either, the posted schedule stopped with the last makushita matchup as one would expect. No idea why Akinomaki is claiming differently. The whole idea breaks down on the fact that it's not actually possible to know for certain whether or not a fill-in will be needed on the "second" day since it changes depending on possible sekitori withdrawals on the "first" day.

Anyway, I guess they just saw no reason to not keep going down the ranks this time, regardless of Chiyonoo's MK.

 

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14 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

No idea why Akinomaki is claiming differently.

Because it was way after midnight and I was half asleep, not on the PC and didn't check the facts. I just assumed because they schedule makushita&below 2(or 3) days in a pack, they also plan the higher bouts for them in advance.

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Current Makuuchi rikishi who were in the same division ten years ago (Hatsu 2013): Tochinoshin, Takayasu, Aoiyama, Okinoumi (intai this basho), Tamawashi (natch), Takarafuji, and the highest-ranked at M1, Myogiryu.  Azamaryu was in his first Juryo basho , headed up to Makuuchi where would definitely get a KK really soon.(Sigh...)

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18 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Current Makuuchi rikishi who were in the same division ten years ago (Hatsu 2013): Tochinoshin, Takayasu, Aoiyama, Okinoumi (intai this basho), Tamawashi (natch), Takarafuji, and the highest-ranked at M1, Myogiryu.  Azamaryu was in his first Juryo basho , headed up to Makuuchi where would definitely get a KK really soon.(Sigh...)

Placement in the list of first time Makuuchi KK in age and attempts?

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Not the answer for the above, but Azumaryu with 58 basho doubles the record of 29 by Akiseyama for most basho needed till first makuuchi kachikoshi after first makuuchi promotion, 10 years, on the 10th try. o

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Takakeishō's yūshō puts an end to a 7 year streak of Hatsu basho hatsu yūshō winners that began with Kotoshōgiku in 2016.

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Streak snapped with Mitakeumi last year, not this year.
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1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

Takakeishō's yūshō puts an end to a 7 year streak of Hatsu basho hatsu yūshō winners that began with Kotoshōgiku in 2016.

Wrong. Mitakeumi's yusho last year... was Hatsu 2022! ;-)

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With Ochiai's direct promotion announced, I am wondering... has anyone reached Juryo undefeated before him?

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1 hour ago, Nantonoyama said:

With Ochiai's direct promotion announced, I am wondering... has anyone reached Juryo undefeated before him?

Miyabiyama, two straight 7-0 yusho from MsTD60.

(Followed by two straight Juryo yusho)

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The other two are Wajima and Musoyama.

Jokoryu came very close to do it from mae-zumo as he went 27-0 before losing the yusho decider from Ms15e.

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2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Miyabiyama is the third

Well, I meant the other two besides Miyabiyama as he was mentioned in the post just above mine..

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6 hours ago, Doitsuyama said:

 

Jokoryu came very close to do it from mae-zumo as he went 27-0 before losing the yusho decider from Ms15e.

And he lost a playoff match to Watanabe 

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