Trivia bits

[Godango 1,014]

This seems like the most suitable thread for this, I had a bit of time at work and was curious as to the highest scores at each rank (makunouchi, modern era only):

Rank	Top Score	No. of instances
Y	15	59
O	15	11
S	14	7
K	14	3
M1	13	5
M2	14	1
M3	14	1
M4	14	3
M5	13	1
M6	12	8
M7	13	1
M8	13	3
M9	14	2
M10	13	2
M11	13	1
M12	14	1
M13	14	2
M14	15	1
M15	12	2
M16	12	4
M17	14	1
M18	12	1
M19	10	3
M20	11	2
M21	10	1
M22	9	3
M23	8	1

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Tamanoumi’s zensho at M14 must have been the easiest ever. He faced only two sanyaku guys: a Komusubi and a Sekiwake.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=3926&b=195711

Also, good to see that lowly M23 guy managed to stay in Makuuchi. No margin for error there!

Edited January 16, 2022 by Eikokurai

[Reonito 1,519]

4 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Tamanoumi’s zensho at M14 must have been the easiest ever. He faced only two sanyaku guys: a Komusubi and a Sekiwake.

Looking at that banzuke, the scheduling must have worked very differently in 1957, as they had plenty of higher-ranked options to throw at him.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

4 hours ago, Reonito said:

Looking at that banzuke, the scheduling must have worked very differently in 1957, as they had plenty of higher-ranked options to throw at him.

They went as low as M20 for his opponents!

[Asashosakari 19,655]

6 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

They went as low as M20 for his opponents!

Not a particularly surprising match-up considering the M20 came into the bout with a 7-1 record.

[ryafuji 815]

On 16/01/2022 at 18:45, Reonito said:

Looking at that banzuke, the scheduling must have worked very differently in 1957, as they had plenty of higher-ranked options to throw at him.

Yes in those days they would seemingly never put a low ranked maegashira against a yokozuna or ozeki no matter how well they were doing. See also Wakanami in March 1968. 

[Katooshu 3,333]

Takanosho having spent all 5 of his sanyaku basho at sekiwake made me think - what's the most tournaments someone has spent at sekiwake, without having previously been a komusubi? 

Maybe better sumodb query-ers than me can figure this out.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Katooshu

[Kamitsuumi 402]

13 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Takanosho having spent all 5 of his sanyaku basho at sekiwake made me think - what's the most tournaments someone has spent at sekiwake, without having previously been a komusubi? 

Maybe better sumodb query-ers than me can figure this out.

6: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=1385

5: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=6

4: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=33

[Katooshu 3,333]

Thanks! 

[yorikiried by fate 2,029]

Mitakeumi's yusho is the seventh consecutive non-yokozuna yusho at Hatsu.

This streak is the longest such streak for any tournament in the 6bpy era.

Hatsu also had such a streak of 5 in the past. The only other tournament with a single streak of 5 is Kyushu.

[Sue 520]

On 16/01/2022 at 18:11, Godango said:

[H]ighest scores at each rank (makunouchi, modern era only):

Rank	Top Score	No. of instances
Y	15	59

 

...and Hakuho singlehandedly accounts for more than a quarter of that total.

[Asashosakari 19,655]

On 22/11/2020 at 07:19, Asashosakari said:

Juryo rikishi earning promotion to makuuchi on an 8-7 record with fusensho (* = makuuchi debut):

1943.05 J2w Shachinosato
1953.03 J1e Fukunosato*
1954.09 J1w Fukunosato
1975.11 J2w Tenryu
1991.01 J1w Tsunenoyama*
2002.07 J1e Tochinohana
2011.01 J1e Kaisei*
2016.01 J3e Daieisho
2020.03 J1e Kotoyuki
2022.01 J1e Kagayaki

Updated. 

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

If it's been mentioned already, I missed it:

Mitakeumi is the first rikishi to win three yusho at Sekiwake, and tying Terunofuji at three yusho below Ozeki.

[Reonito 1,519]

Enho is now tied with the much-longer-serving Terao and Yoshikaze for the most-ever oshitaoshi losses by a sekitori with 39. As was mentioned in another thread, this seems reflective of his size and style.

[Yamanashi 3,904]

2 hours ago, Reonito said:

Enho is now tied with the much-longer-serving Terao and Yoshikaze for the most-ever oshitaoshi losses by a sekitori with 39. As was mentioned in another thread, this seems reflective of his size and style.

Kind of a Child Prodigy in that respect.  He will run away with this record and it won't be broken (unless he is first).

[Reonito 1,519]

49 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Kind of a Child Prodigy in that respect.  He will run away with this record and it won't be broken (unless he is first).

He's lost a bunch by other -taoshi kimarite too, but I wasn't sure how to do a search that combines multiple kimarite. Maybe unsurprisingly, Kitaharima holds the all-divisions record with 62 (Enho is tied for 6th with 41 in that category).

[Yamanashi 3,904]

9 minutes ago, Reonito said:

He's lost a bunch by other -taoshi kimarite too, but I wasn't sure how to do a search that combines multiple kimarite. Maybe unsurprisingly, Kitaharima holds the all-divisions record with 62 (Enho is tied for 6th with 41 in that category).

If you look at him on the db you can just select "bouts by kimarite", but the sums are on the left.

Enho has been beaten by:  41 oshitaoshi, 15 yoritaoshi, 8 tsukitaoshi, 5 kimetaoshi, 2 abisetoashi (embarrassing!), and 2 okuritaoshi: 73 losses out of 162 total, or 45% (!!)

[Reonito 1,519]

6 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

If you look at him on the db you can just select "bouts by kimarite", but the sums are on the left.

Enho has been beaten by:  41 oshitaoshi, 15 yoritaoshi, 8 tsukitaoshi, 5 kimetaoshi, 2 abisetoashi (embarrassing!), and 2 okuritaoshi: 73 losses out of 162 total, or 45% (!!)

Indeed. Just not sure how to do that for others, except manually. (I'm pretty hazy on the distinction between yoritaoshi and abisetaoshi).

[Katooshu 3,333]

Speaking of hazy distinctions between kimarite, I've been watching for about 6-7 years and still can't tell the difference between an oshidashi and tsukidashi 

[Gurowake 4,107]

10 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Speaking of hazy distinctions between kimarite, I've been watching for about 6-7 years and still can't tell the difference between an oshidashi and tsukidashi 

It's entirely in whether you're pushing them hard enough so that you lose contact with them afterwards.  Tsukidashi requires leaving contact with the opponent because you pushed them so hard, while in oshidashi you maintain contact.  It's basically completely arbitrary and somewhat random in the vast majority of bouts won that way, but in the extremes it's easy to tell when someone goes flying away vs. someone slowly getting moved out at arms' length.

[Yamanashi 3,904]

1 hour ago, Reonito said:

Indeed. Just not sure how to do that for others, except manually. (I'm pretty hazy on the distinction between yoritaoshi and abisetaoshi).

I did it manually, but not too hard with only 162 bouts. The distinction is pretty vague!  (I say that so a more knowledgeable poster will come and correct me).

[Yamanashi 3,904]

45 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Speaking of hazy distinctions between kimarite, I've been watching for about 6-7 years and still can't tell the difference between an oshidashi and tsukidashi 

I thought that it's the difference between "push out" and "throw out" (or down).  I don't know whether you watch NFL football, but oshidashi is what offensive linemen are supposed to do; you'd get called for Holding if you tsuridashi-ed them.  I don't watch NFL anymore, but I was hoping a color commentator would make that analogy someday, just for the hell of it.

[Sue 520]

2 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Speaking of hazy distinctions between kimarite, I've been watching for about 6-7 years and still can't tell the difference between an oshidashi and tsukidashi 

Tsukidashi: you give your aite a superhumanly hard shove, and fling them out of the ring. You stay put.

Oshidashi: you push against your aite, and push them out. You go with them.

Okuridashi: like oshidashi, but you maneuver behind them, and give them the bum's rush.

Yorikiri: like oshidashi, but you give them a wedgie while doing it.

Tsuridashi: like yorikiri, but with a power wedgie.

[RabidJohn 1,855]

8 hours ago, Reonito said:

 (I'm pretty hazy on the distinction between yoritaoshi and abisetaoshi).

I know what you mean. It took me quite a bit of watching to figure out yorikiri was about chest-to-chest contact and nothing to do with a belt grip.

They look pretty much identical, but I've a tentative belief that it may be abisetaoshi when the loser falls inside the ring and yoritaoshi when they fall outside the tawara.

Neither are as common as yorikiri/oshidashi, though, so I'll probably need another decade or so of watching to be sure.

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

20 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

 (I'm pretty hazy on the distinction between yoritaoshi and abisetaoshi).

I always thought the difference being crashing outside (yori) or inside (abise) the dohyo, but what do I know...