Seiyashi 4,105 Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said: 1 hour ago, Gurowake said: Nishiki is probably going to be the longest single kanji unless kagayaki ever gets used as a component (which seems unlikely) ...just as unlikely as Sakigake. As a matter of linguistics, the more kanji there are in the shikona, the more likely that the shorter onyomi readings will be used rather than the longer kunyomi readings. So getting sakigake and kagayaki as components is much less likely than kai or ki, their kunyomi counterparts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) FWIW: Kagayaki (輝) has appeared in 99 shikona as Ki, Hikari, Teru and Ryo, but only once as Kagayaki. Sakagake (魁) has shown up 91 times as Kai, but only twice as Sakagake. Both of the latter were standalones. Kai shows up in many notables such as Kaio and Kaisei. Edited November 27, 2021 by Asojima 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 401 Posted November 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Asojima said: Let Kintamayama take a look. He can probably find one with a major surplus of "u"'s 3 hours ago, Gurowake said: Sounds like we need a Tochiyutakanishiki to beat that. Nishiki is probably going to be the longest single kanji unless kagayaki ever gets used as a component (which seems unlikely), and yutaka is the next-longest I can think of before the usual 5 romaji kanji. There is an interesting point to raise. The limit on shikona length in practice seems to be number of morae (the length in terms of length of pronunciation, i.e. number of kana, ignoring ゃゅょ) at 7. So we are really maximizing the number of extra long morae (in romaji, e.g. kyo, tsu, shi) while avoiding the number of short morae (i.e. vowels, ん (n), っ(double consonant)), while ensuring 6 or 7 morae. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,510 Posted November 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Yubinhaad said: The longest romaji shikona I've seen in the database is a stonking 17 letters, Yatsushironishiki. Eek, and there's a 29-letter bout involving him that I missed back last time, vs. Kuriharayama. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted November 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: Eek, and there's a 29-letter bout involving him that I missed back last time, vs. Kuriharayama. He wrote a letter about it to his mum back in Yamanashi-ken, Higashiyatsushiro-gun, Yatsushiro-cho. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,875 Posted November 28, 2021 And, under his given name, we have Ono vs Fuse. A difference of 22 romaji letters. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 401 Posted November 28, 2021 Kyokushūho becomes the first rikishi to string five 6-9 records together. For reference, excluding kyujo, 7-8: 2, 8-7: 15, 9-6: 2, 10-5: 2. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said: Kyokushūho becomes the first rikishi to string five 6-9 records together. For reference, excluding kyujo, 7-8: 2, 8-7: 15, 9-6: 2, 10-5: 2. He has been very pedestrian of late (since 2017 at least), going too often for the hataki-win to see if is ailing body and lackluster sumo style can bring him another paycheck. That's the impression anyway. But you see, even that might make you stand out for some reason. On a side note, Kotokuzan posted a 4-11 on his Juryo debut and bounced back with a mirror (11-4) record on his return. It is not a first for sure, but I manually checked and it is not very common when it comes to double-figures. (It is actually a first for this combination). It would be more impressive if Oki managed a 15-0, but I wouldn't bank on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
just_some_guy 281 Posted November 29, 2021 Hokutofuji has increased his streak of alternating KK/MK to 13 basho (excluding of course the cancelled one). Depending on how high he gets promoted, I think next basho he's likely to break that streak. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,482 Posted November 29, 2021 1 hour ago, just_some_guy said: Hokutofuji has increased his streak of alternating KK/MK to 13 basho (excluding of course the cancelled one). Depending on how high he gets promoted, I think next basho he's likely to break that streak. Full joi schedule coming up, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,510 Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) Tournaments with multiple rikishi aged 27+ making their juryo debuts, after WWII. Ages are as of the last day of their juryo debut basho; I've asterisked those that weren't 27 yet when their juryo promotion was announced. 1951.09 - Takiorochi (28, born 1923/06/05) & Otayama (27, born 1924/05/03)1952.01 - Fukunomori (29, born 1922/12/06) & Azumaumi (27, born 1924/03/14)1954.03 - Toyohikari (28, born 1925/09/28) & Chikugoyama (28, born 1926/01/08)1964.01 - Daikanyama (27, born 1936/03/02) & Mikiyama (27, born 1936/07/19)1987.11 - Hananofuji (29, born 1958/11/21) & Fukuryudake (28, born 1959/05/08)1989.09 - Kotohakusan (28, born 1961/06/01) & Fukunosato (28, born 1961/06/04)1990.09 - Oishida (28, born 1961/10/02) & Ryugahama (27a, born 1963/08/16)1993.07 - Umenosato (29, born 1964/05/03) & Chokairyu (28, born 1965/05/19)1993.09 - Mutsuhokkai (29, born 1964/06/24) & Kiyonofuji (27, born 1966/02/11)1997.01 - Akinoshu (28, born 1969/01/17) & Ohinode (27c, born 1970/01/19)2010.09 - Shironoryu (27b, born 1983/09/07) & Nakanokuni (27c, born 1983/09/17)2011.07 - Kaonishiki (32, born 1978/09/14) & Takanoyama (28, born 1983/02/21) & Hitenryu (27a, born 1984/06/16)2022.01 - Shiden (30, born 1991/12/24) & Kotoyusho (27, born 1994/05/14) a 27th birthday between promotion announcement and banzuke releaseb 27th birthday between banzuke release and shonichic 27th birthday during basho Edited December 1, 2021 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) If you take Terunofuji's given name as transcribed in the database (GANERDENE Gantulga), you can anagram it to A Gargantuan Legende which sounds like a proper mix of English and German for exactly me to find. Edited December 1, 2021 by yorikiried by fate 6 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) As far as I can tell, nobody has ever had back-to-back 0-8 starts in Makuuchi, something which surprises me. You'd think it would have happened at least once, but the closest appears to be Aran who went 0-7 (1-7) and 0-8 in September and November 2011. Edit: Takayasu also came close with a 0-7 (1-7) and 0-8 in May and July of 2012. Kirinji has the most career nakabi makekoshi with six, four of which came in Natsu bashos, the other two in Aki. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi1&day=8&m=on&j=on&wins1=0&group_expand=on I'm not sure how to query this, but I noticed Kyokutenho once followed a 0-8 start with an 8-0 and I wonder if there are other instances of this or the reverse (i.e. 8-0 > 0-8). http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=41&b=201207 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=41&b=201209 Edited December 14, 2021 by Eikokurai 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 401 Posted December 14, 2021 Dewanohana 1985 Hokutoriki 2006 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted December 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, Kamitsuumi said: Dewanohana 1985 Hokutoriki 2006 Nice. Both 8-0 to 0-8, so Kyokutenho may be the only one to do it the other way around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,510 Posted December 14, 2021 Takayasu went 0-8 > 8-0 in the same pair of tournaments that Kyokutenho did. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Asashosakari said: Takayasu went 0-8 > 8-0 in the same pair of tournaments that Kyokutenho did. So he did! I missed that. Edited December 14, 2021 by Eikokurai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,875 Posted December 15, 2021 Hakuho lost four bouts in a row on only 3 occasions: July 2002 at Sd23, May 2005 at S1e, and January 2019 at Y1w (the last loss was a fusen). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yamanashi said: Hakuho lost four bouts in a row on only 3 occasions: July 2002 at Sd23, May 2005 at S1e, and January 2019 at Y1w (the last loss was a fusen). In a single tournament. He had one cross-basho streak of 4 losses. See his Yokozuna debut and subsequent basho. Oh, and in 2019 a cross-basho streak of 3 losses plus a fusenpai, and I guess we can throw in July and Sept 2005 which was a streak of L-F-L-L. Edited December 15, 2021 by Eikokurai 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,875 Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Eikokurai said: In a single tournament. He had one cross-basho streak of 4 losses. See his Yokozuna debut and subsequent basho. Oh, and in 2019 a cross-basho streak of 3 losses plus a fusenpai, and I guess we can throw in July and Sept 2005 which was a streak of L-F-L-L. Yes, during one basho, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyotasuke 300 Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Occurences of the same rank and side kept for 3 consecutive bashos while going MK in the first 2, since WWII: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=3&n_basho=3&shikona=Wakasugiyama,Kotoeko,Tobizaru&form1_rank=M&form1_wins=7&form2_rank=M&form2_wins=7 Tobizaru to be ranked at M8w in Hatsu 2022. *Edit: Also occured in juryo once: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=3&n_basho=3&shikona=Fukudayama&form1_year=196111 Edited December 26, 2021 by Chiyotasuke 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faustonowaka 130 Posted January 8, 2022 Tamashoho vs Atamifuji: day 14 Kyushu 2021 (last bout of the basho for both) day 1 Hatsu 2022 (first bout of the basho for both) Have two opponents (in the lower divisions) ever faced each other in consecutive matches, excluding playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,510 Posted January 8, 2022 More common than you might think. Just checking the most recent two tournaments turns up four cases: Amamidake-Satonofuji Atamifuji-Kototsubasa Kitaharima-Kotodaigo Kokuryunami-Kotoegashira 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,084 Posted January 11, 2022 Because I had a brain fart, I accidentally discovered that Hakuhou has fought the most bouts from the east side than anyone else. The gap between 1 and 2 (Chiyonofuji, 66 fewer bouts from the east than Hakuhou) is a little smaller than I expected, as Hakuhou also holds the record for basho ranked Y1e and in that case the gap between 1 and 2 is more than three years' worth. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faustonowaka 130 Posted January 15, 2022 Kotonowaka vs Oho Their respective fathers (Kotonowaka vs Takatoriki) and grandfathers (Kotozakura vs Taiho) faced each other too on the dohyo. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites