WAKATAKE 2,672 Posted November 13, 2021 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=202111&d=1 For day 1 of Kyushu 2021, all 14 Juryo ranks are going east vs west straight down the banzuke. J1E vs J1W through J14E vs J14W. When was the last time this happened, or if at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faustonowaka 130 Posted November 13, 2021 + all makuuchi ranks up to M11. Damn you Asanoyama! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted November 13, 2021 3 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=202111&d=1 For day 1 of Kyushu 2021, all 14 Juryo ranks are going east vs west straight down the banzuke. J1E vs J1W through J14E vs J14W. When was the last time this happened, or if at all? Most recently in Aki 2018. Full list for the 14-ranks era (since 2004): 2004.03, 2004.09, 2004.11, 2006.03, 2007.01, 2007.11, 2008.01, 2008.03, 2008.11, 2009.01, 2009.09, 2009.11, 2012.01, 2013.05, 2014.05, 2014.07, 2014.11, 2016.07, 2017.01, 2017.05, 2018.05, 2018.09, 2021.11 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,050 Posted November 14, 2021 Day 1 and Day 2 of Kyushu Basho 2021 both featured two bouts in a row where all four Maegashira involved kept the same rank on the banzuke as in the previous basho (i.e. Tobizaru, Aoiyama, Hidenoumi, Chiyotairyu). I daresay that's a first. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) Nakabi Kachikoshi streaks When Terunofuji won on Sunday, he joined a small group of rikishi who have secured a winning record on day 8 across at least four consecutive basho. Only seven men have ever done that in the six-basho-a-year, 15-bouts-a-basho era. If he repeats it in January, he will move into sole third place on the list. 10: Hakuho* 6: Tamanoumi 4: Tochinishiki, Kitanoumi, Taiho, Asashoryu, Terunofuji 3: Chiyonofuji, Wajima, Wakanohana I, Akebono, Kagamisato, Takanosato Anyone not on the list never managed more than two basho in a row where they got their KK at the earliest opportunity. There are some pretty big names missing, like Takanohana, Harumafuji and Musashimaru. *Hakuho also had a seven-basho streak but this list includes only PBs. Edited November 22, 2021 by Eikokurai 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nantonoyama 252 Posted November 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Eikokurai said: Nakabi Kachikoshi streaks When Terunofuji won on Sunday, he joined a small group of rikishi who have secured a winning record on day 8 across at least four consecutive basho. Only seven men have ever done that in the six-basho-a-year, 15-bouts-a-basho era. If he repeats it in January, he will move into sole third place on the list. 10: Hakuho 6: Tamanoumi 4: Tochinishiki, Kitanoumi, Taiho, Asashoryu, Terunofuji 3: Chiyonofuji, Wajima, Wakanohana I, Akebono, Kagamisato, Takanosato Anyone not on the list never managed more than two basho in a row where they got their KK at the earliest opportunity. There are some pretty big names missing, like Takanohana, Harumafuji and Musashimaru. It is remarkable that we could argue that Hakuho holds also 2nd place here for a 7-basho stint (Hatsu 2011 to Haru 2012, if we consider Natsu 2011 as an actual basho, 6 otherwise) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,415 Posted November 22, 2021 36 minutes ago, Nantonoyama said: , if we consider Natsu 2011 as an actual basho, 6 otherwise) The yusho from that counts as one of Hakuho's 45, so I think we can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,437 Posted November 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Nantonoyama said: It is remarkable that we could argue that Hakuho holds also 2nd place here for a 7-basho stint (Hatsu 2011 to Haru 2012, if we consider Natsu 2011 as an actual basho, 6 otherwise) Yes, you’re right. I should have been clearer that the list was each rikishi’s personal best. Asashoryu managed 4 twice, but I counted only one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,050 Posted November 23, 2021 Kagayaki en route to tying the record of consecutive MK as Maegashira and probably setting a new one in January. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,108 Posted November 23, 2021 Courtesy of NSK's broadcast: Terunofuji, Mitakeumi, and Meisei are the only three rikishi to record KK in all basho this year thus far. Terunofuji and Mitakeumi are in for the sweep, although Meisei still has his work cut out for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,904 Posted November 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Seiyashi said: Courtesy of NSK's broadcast: Terunofuji, Mitakeumi, and Meisei are the only three rikishi to record KK in all basho this year thus far. Terunofuji and Mitakeumi are in for the sweep, although Meisei still has his work cut out for him. So, Terunofuji, "Inconsistent-San" and Meisei? Hmmm ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,108 Posted November 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Yamanashi said: So, Terunofuji, "Inconsistent-San" and Meisei? Hmmm ... More, like, "Mr Can't-Get-It-Up(ranked)". 18 straight sanyaku/sekiwake, or whatever the relevant stat is, is anything but inconsistent. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,109 Posted November 23, 2021 He's very good at getting 8 or 9 wins. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,904 Posted November 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Gurowake said: He's very good at getting 8 or 9 wins. ... in Sanyaku. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted November 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Gurowake said: He's very good at getting 8 or 9 wins. Sounds like the standard ozeki to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,109 Posted November 23, 2021 As one might expect, the number of Yusho won by each rank overall in history decreases for the most part as one goes down the banzuke. There's like 300 Yokozuna yusho, 100 Ozeki yusho, 30 Sekiwake Yusho, 9 Komusubi Yusho, and smaller single digits for M1, M2, and M3, the last of which was just Tochinoshin. But there have been 5 Yusho won from M4! Now you might say, for many stretches of history, M4 was the highest rank that might avoid all the top ranked rikishi, and so maybe it would be expected. But for those 5 Yusho, the winners faced all the Yokozuna, Ozeki, and Sekiwake that they could have. A few didn't face the Komusubi, and while I didn't check to see why, that kind of thing happens a lot because by the time they would face Komusubi, it's deep into the Yusho race and the Komusubi are not doing particularly well. Now, their Maegashira opponents were in general weaker than the rest of the joi, but the fall off in quality is steepest at the top, and often the strongest maegashira are not ranked as such, so it's not like they faced all that weaker competition. So it's just a bit of random noise, and not from the cause one might expect. The rest of the maegashira ranks winning Yusho is just random noise as well, with a couple pockets of no Yusho with 1-3 for most ranks. The 3 won by M17 is somewhat high considering there have been less of them than other ranks by a significant margin, but it's only 180 vs. 300 M16, so a weird bit of a bump, but really just more random noise. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakura 1,495 Posted November 26, 2021 This basho has the second most Makuuchi rikishi heading into their Day 13 bout with a 5-7 record. The one above it on the list has 53 rikishi in the division. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyokufuji 64 Posted November 27, 2021 Looking through the Day 13 (Kyushu 2021) torikumi and noticed Tochikamiyama vs. Tokunomusashi… Made me wonder what matchup had the most combined letters in the romanizations of the participant’s shikona. The aforementioned match has 26. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,335 Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) With a couple random searches, the longest I've found is 28: Kotohigashiyama vs Wakayoshimura, and Kotohigashiyama vs Tatsumuramoto Tochikamiyama vs Tokunomusashi also faced each other in 2015 as amateurs, with the title of middle school yokozuna on the line. Back then it was just Tokuda vs Kamiyama, a relatively measly 14 letters! Edited November 27, 2021 by Katooshu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted November 27, 2021 Yeah, we did this already a few years ago. On 21/01/2018 at 04:11, Asashosakari said: On 21/01/2018 at 03:37, Yukiarashi said: I don't know how these records would be kept, but Wakatomoharu-Takayoshitoshi had to break some kind of letters record in a bout. 12 vs 14? Nowhere near. As far as bouts covered by the DB go, the maximum appears to be 28 in 13 vs 15 and 14 vs 14 matchups. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,335 Posted November 27, 2021 It's a shame we never got a Kotohigashiyama vs Takachihonomine 30 letter super match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,761 Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Kyokufuji said: Looking through the Day 13 (Kyushu 2021) torikumi and noticed Tochikamiyama vs. Tokunomusashi… Made me wonder what matchup had the most combined letters in the romanizations of the participant’s shikona. The aforementioned match has 26. That was the second 26-letter bout of the basho in fact, following this one on the opening day. If only Agazumazakura hadn't changed his shikona from Shiraishizakura, it would've been 28. The longest romaji shikona I've seen in the database is a stonking 17 letters, Yatsushironishiki. Edited November 27, 2021 by Yubinhaad 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted November 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said: The longest romaji shikona I've seen in the database is a stonking 17 letters, Yatsushironishiki. Let Kintamayama take a look. He can probably find one with a major surplus of "u"'s 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,109 Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said: The longest romaji shikona I've seen in the database is a stonking 17 letters, Yatsushironishiki. Sounds like we need a Tochiyutakanishiki to beat that. Nishiki is probably going to be the longest single kanji unless kagayaki ever gets used as a component (which seems unlikely), and yutaka is the next-longest I can think of before the usual 5 romaji kanji. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,050 Posted November 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gurowake said: Nishiki is probably going to be the longest single kanji unless kagayaki ever gets used as a component (which seems unlikely) ...just as unlikely as Sakigake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites