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14 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Asanosho (...)

Thank you for the thorough answer. I don't know why I forgot about Kitaharima, but it probably has to do with the fact that his sekitori basho are somewhat scattered in his record, but he is certainly a good name.

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Is Akiseyama the oldest ever to have his first kachi-kochi in Makuuchi?

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Rikishi aged 30+ for their career-first yusho (any division), post-WWII, ages as of senshuraku of their championship basho:

Age @ Yusho  Rikishi       Birthdate   Basho    Division   Rank   Record
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37y  8m  7d  Kyokutenho    1974/09/13  2012.05  Makuuchi   M7w    12-3 Y
36y  3m  9d  Masudayama    1951/04/10  1987.07  Juryo      J7w    11-4 Y
36y  0m 10d  Oiwato        1981/05/18  2017.05  Makushita  Ms34w   7-0 Y
34y  9m 19d  Sakigake      1986/04/05  2021.01  Makushita  Ms19w   6-1 Y
------------------------------------------------------------------------
32y  6m 12d  Azumaryu      1987/05/12  2019.11  Juryo      J1e    11-4 Y
32y  6m  3d  Edonami       1946/01/13  1978.07  Sandanme   Sd31e   7-0 Y
32y  2m  6d  Bushuyama     1976/05/21  2008.07  Juryo      J8e    12-3 Y
32y  0m 10d  Aichiyama     1922/03/10  1954.03  Juryo      J20w   13-2 Y
------------------------------------------------------------------------
31y 10m 17d  Yohoyama      1960/11/10  1992.09  Sandanme   Sd10w   7-0 Y
31y  9m 24d  Kirishima     1959/04/03  1991.01  Makuuchi   O1e    14-1 Y
31y  7m 22d  Enazakura     1960/07/29  1992.03  Juryo      J8e    11-4 Y
31y  4m 21d  Hienriki      1983/03/06  2014.07  Sandanme   Sd42e   7-0 Y
31y  4m 18d  Tamakasuga    1972/01/07  2003.05  Juryo      J7w    12-3 Y
31y  4m 16d  Yoshio        1974/05/09  2005.09  Sandanme   Sd7e    7-0 Y
31y  4m 13d  Tamao         1981/09/14  2013.01  Jonokuchi  Jk11w   7-0 Y
31y  2m  3d  Hoshiiwato    1955/07/25  1986.09  Makushita  Ms12e   7-0 Y
31y  1m 29d  Hirakagawa    1924/03/31  1955.05  Juryo      J11e   12-3 Y
31y  0m 25d  Hagane        1981/08/29  2012.09  Sandanme   Sd25e   7-0 Y
------------------------------------------------------------------------
30y  9m 15d  Wakasuruga    1978/02/08  2008.11  Jonokuchi  Jk24w   7-0 Y
30y  8m 29d  Tochitsukasa  1958/04/25  1989.01  Juryo      J5w    11-4 Y
30y  7m 14d  Oniarashi     1982/06/13  2013.01  Makushita  Ms1e    7-0 Y
30y  4m 13d  Kotokuni      1978/07/10  2008.11  Makushita  Ms10e   7-0 Y
30y  4m  3d  Tamaryu       1954/07/22  1984.11  Makushita  Ms9w    7-0 Y
30y  3m  7d  Nogami        1990/08/15  2020.11  Jonokuchi  Jk29e   7-0 Y
30y  2m  5d  Azusayumi     1975/07/20  2005.09  Jonokuchi  Jk40w   7-0 Y
30y  2m  2d  Nihozan       1922/03/23  1952.05  Makushita  Ms17e  13-2 Y
30y  1m 22d  Kiryugawa     1923/12/02  1954.01  Juryo      J5e    13-2 Y
30y  1m 16d  Kanenohana    1936/10/11  1966.11  Juryo      J5e    13-2 Y
30y  0m 29d  Ishinriki     1968/12/26  1999.01  Makushita  Ms39e   7-0 Y
30y  0m 22d  Kotoryu       1972/03/02  2002.03  Juryo      J1w    12-3 Y
30y  0m 12d  Seifuriki     1967/03/11  1997.03  Sandanme   Sd2e    7-0 Y
30y  0m  7d  Ryusei        1986/07/17  2016.07  Makushita  Ms44w   7-0 Y

 

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Aminishiki came close to topping that list, losing a juryo playoff in Aki '17 at the age of 38 years and 11 months.

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On 25/01/2021 at 13:34, ryafuji said:

Aminishiki came close to topping that list, losing a juryo playoff in Aki '17 at the age of 38 years and 11 months.

To become one of the very few active Oyakata without a Yusho under their belt. He and moto-Dairyu as far as I know. But Dairyu had a very uneventful career record-wise.

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Sorry if it's been answered, but does anyone know the oldest sanyaku debut for an eventual ozeki (highest rank) and yokozuna?

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10 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Sorry if it's been answered, but does anyone know the oldest sanyaku debut for an eventual ozeki (highest rank) and yokozuna?

Probably Kirishima for Ozeki

Edit: Kirishima was 27y9m, Yoshibayama was 30y5m, but I'm not too sure of these being the oldest. They actually share the same birthday of April 3rd though.

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4 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said:

Probably Kirishima for Ozeki

Kotomitsuki was older. When he was promoted to Ozeki back in 2007 the Kyokai released such a list, but I didn't save it.

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2 hours ago, shumitto said:

Kotomitsuki was older. When he was promoted to Ozeki back in 2007 the Kyokai released such a list, but I didn't save it.

Right but he made his sanyaku debut way earlier, in 2001. I think the question was what is the oldest komusubi or sekiwake debut for someone who went on to become ozeki or yokozuna. 

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2 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Right but he made his sanyaku debut way earlier, in 2001. I think the question was what is the oldest komusubi or sekiwake debut for someone who went on to become ozeki or yokozuna. 

For HD since 1950, it's Kirishima.  Almost everyone else hit sanyaku age 20-25.  The other outlier is ... Shodai.

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28 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Almost everyone else hit sanyaku age 20-25.  The other outlier is ... Shodai.

(Eh?) How is Shodai an outlier for that?

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4 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

(Eh?) How is Shodai an outlier for that?

Sorry, I was simply subtracting years and assigned him to 26 years old, not realizing that in fact on the first day of the 2017 Hatsu basho he would be approximately 25 years, 2 months and 3 days old.  I submit my papers.

What really came across as I was going through the records was how reliably the first sanyaku appearance lay within the 20-25 window.  Maybe it's no different than what happens to sanyaku who don't make it to Ozeki, but I haven't the time to check right now.

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10 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Right but he made his sanyaku debut way earlier, in 2001. I think the question was what is the oldest komusubi or sekiwake debut for someone who went on to become ozeki or yokozuna. 

Yep, although I do appreciate the answers to oldest ozeki debut too.

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5 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

What really came across as I was going through the records was how reliably the first sanyaku appearance lay within the 20-25 window.  Maybe it's no different than what happens to sanyaku who don't make it to Ozeki, but I haven't the time to check right now.

Given people starting at worst the year after they graduate from college, I find it extremely reasonable to think that if you don't make sanyaku before you turn 26 that you're not going to make Ozeki.  Plenty of people make it to sanyaku after turning 26, and they generally aren't seen as Ozeki material, even if they get some KKs in the joi (Yoshikaze, Tamawashi).  I suppose Daieisho didn't make sanyaku until after he turned 26 and right now is looking like a good Ozeki candidate, but he only missed it by 2 months.

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5 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Maybe it's no different than what happens to sanyaku who don't make it to Ozeki, but I haven't the time to check right now.

Here's a query to get you started.

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5 hours ago, Reonito said:

Here's a query to get you started.

That query is flawed because it doesn't find Takanosho for instance.

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I know; I don't think the db has the flexibility to find sekiwake debuts that were not preceded by appearances at komusubi.

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16 hours ago, Reonito said:

Here's a query to get you started.

Interesting to see how strongly a kachikoshi at this stage predicts future greatness

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Rolling up the earlier discussion comprehensively, here are the oldest sanyaku debutants who ended up becoming ozeki.

The Kyokai typically treats age records based on the banzuke release date, but not only was I too lazy to calculate it exactly, I'd have to guess/assume many of the older banzuke release dates anyway. So, just quick'n'dirty for full months taking the last day of the month preceding the basho as the "debut day". Among the 75 rikishi who became ozeki post-WWII:

Age      Birthdate   Sanyaku
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30y  4m  1920/04/03  1950.09  Yoshibayama   (Y)
28y  5m  1924/07/20  1953.01  Matsunobori
27y  8m  1959/04/03  1987.01  Kirishima
26y  8m  1923/04/30  1950.01  Kagamisato    (Y)
26y  7m  1918/03/01  1944.11  Shionoumi   
25y  7m  1994/03/01  2019.11  Asanoyama    *[O]
25y  6m  1947/04/25  1972.11  Asahikuni
25y  2m  1927/10/10  1953.01  Kotogahama
25y  1m  1991/11/05  2017.01  Shodai       *[O]
25y  1m  1957/01/12  1982.03  Wakashimazu
-----------------------------------------------
24y 10m  1926/06/19  1951.05  Ouchiyama
24y 10m  1925/02/20  1950.01  Tochinishiki  (Y)
24y  8m  1976/04/11  2001.01  Kotomitsuki  *
24y  8m  1937/08/18  1962.05  Yutakayama   *
24y  5m  1952/09/29  1977.03  Takanosato    (Y)
24y  4m  1955/12/09  1980.05  Asashio      *
24y  4m  1942/06/20  1966.11  Daikirin
24y  2m  1948/02/16  1972.05  Kaiketsu
24y  1m  1919/11/03  1944.01  Masuiyama
24y  1m  1948/11/16  1973.01  Masuiyama
24y  1m  1935/05/17  1959.07  Kitabayama

(Y) = reached yokozuna, [O] = currently active ozeki. All others topped out at ozeki. Collegiate rikishi marked with *.

I was amused to find that father and son Masuiyama did it at practically the same age.

The list is rather heavily dominated by rikishi who had their start before the 6-basho era. Plus more recent guys who got their start out of university, for the obvious "already old when turning pro" reason. (Wajima's 24th birthday was three days into his first sanyaku tournament, if you're wondering now.)

Daieisho would slot in at 26y 1m if he makes it.

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And the sort of requested follow-up...all 185 rikishi with a hatsu-dohyo after 1958 who have reached sanyaku, sorted by their age when they got there. (Ascending this time, and with a later starting cutoff to get rid of all the pre-six basho guys from the previous table.) Later yokozuna in red, later ozeki in blue, active rikishi marked with x in front of their shikona. Spoiler tagged due to the sheer size of the table.

Interpret at your leisure. B-)


Age      Birthdate   Sanyaku
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18y 10m  1972/08/12  1991.07    Takanohana   [Link]
19y  7m  1953/05/16  1973.01    Kitanoumi    [Link]
19y  9m  1985/03/11  2005.01  x Hakuho       [Link]
19y 11m  1986/07/03  2006.07    Kisenosato   [Link]
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20y  1m  1953/09/11  1973.11    Onishiki     [Link]
20y  6m  1963/06/22  1984.01    Hokutoumi    [Link]
20y  6m  1950/02/19  1970.09    Takanohana   [Link]
20y  7m  1980/09/27  2001.05    Asashoryu    [Link]
20y  7m  1946/09/26  1967.05    Fujinokawa   [Link]
20y  7m  1976/11/09  1997.07    Tochiazuma   [Link]
20y  8m  1957/04/26  1978.01    Kotokaze     [Link]
20y  9m  1971/01/20  1991.11    Wakanohana   [Link]
20y 10m  1963/12/31  1984.11    Konishiki    [Link]
20y 10m  1962/10/09  1983.09    Onokuni      [Link]
20y 10m  1960/08/08  1981.07    Hokutenyu    [Link]
20y 10m  1944/02/05  1965.01    Tamanoumi    [Link]
20y 11m  1950/03/19  1971.03    Daiju        [Link]
20y 11m  1971/05/02  1992.05    Musashimaru  [Link]
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21y  3m  1944/07/20  1965.11    Hasegawa     [Link]
21y  3m  1996/07/04  2017.11  x Onosho       [Link]
21y  4m  1963/08/12  1985.01    Futahaguro   [Link]
21y  4m  1996/08/05  2018.01  x Takakeisho   [Link]
21y  5m  1971/01/27  1992.07    Tomoefuji    [Link]
21y  6m  1971/10/27  1993.05    Takanonami   [Link]
21y  6m  1992/10/11  2014.05  x Chiyootori   [Link]
21y  6m  1993/04/07  2014.11  x Ichinojo     [Link]
21y  6m  1953/04/03  1974.11    Wakanohana   [Link]
21y  7m  1967/03/16  1988.11    Akinoshima   [Link]
21y  9m  1972/07/24  1994.05    Kaio         [Link]
21y  9m  1969/05/08  1991.03    Akebono      [Link]
21y 11m  1948/11/12  1970.11    Kurohimeyama [Link]
21y 11m  1953/03/09  1975.03    Kirinji      [Link]
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22y  0m  1976/04/29  1998.05    Chiyotaikai  [Link]
22y  0m  1983/02/19  2005.03    Kotooshu     [Link]
22y  0m  1972/02/14  1994.03    Musoyama     [Link]
22y  0m  1984/04/14  2006.05    Harumafuji   [Link]
22y  0m  1963/10/05  1985.11    Kotogaume    [Link]
22y  1m  1987/03/09  2009.05    Tochiozan    [Link]
22y  2m  1968/06/08  1990.09    Kotonishiki  [Link]
22y  4m  1948/02/04  1970.07    Mienoumi     [Link]
22y  5m  1977/07/28  2000.01    Miyabiyama   [Link]
22y  6m  1959/04/08  1981.11    Daijuyama    [Link]
22y  6m  1986/04/06  2008.11    Goeido       [Link]
22y  8m  1987/10/13  2010.07  x Tochinoshin  [Link]
22y 11m  1945/03/09  1968.03    Maenoyama    [Link]
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23y  0m  1953/02/27  1976.03    Kaneshiro    [Link]
23y  0m  1961/06/18  1984.07    Sakahoko     [Link]
23y  0m  1955/06/01  1978.07    Chiyonofuji  [Link]
23y  1m  1984/01/30  2007.03    Kotoshogiku  [Link]
23y  1m  1940/11/26  1964.01    Kotozakura   [Link]
23y  3m  1991/11/29  2015.03  x Terunofuji   [Link]
23y  3m  1960/07/06  1983.11    Asahifuji    [Link]
23y  4m  1976/02/06  1999.07    Chiyotenzan  [Link]
23y  6m  1990/02/28  2013.09  x Takayasu     [Link]
23y  7m  1967/09/28  1991.05    Takatoriki   [Link]
23y  7m  1974/03/21  1997.11    Dejima       [Link]
23y  7m  1948/11/18  1972.07    Kongo        [Link]
23y  8m  1974/02/26  1997.11    Tochinonada  [Link]
23y  8m  1958/12/19  1982.09    Toryu        [Link]
23y  8m  1985/08/10  2009.05  x Kakuryu      [Link]
23y  9m  1984/11/05  2008.09    Baruto       [Link]
23y  9m  1944/09/03  1968.07    Tochiazuma   [Link]
23y 10m  1983/06/29  2007.05    Toyonoshima  [Link]
23y 10m  1992/12/25  2016.11  x Mitakeumi    [Link]
23y 10m  1956/04/18  1980.03    Ozutsu       [Link]
23y 10m  1972/02/16  1996.01    Tosanoumi    [Link]
23y 10m  1956/12/07  1980.11    Hoo          [Link]
23y 11m  1943/11/15  1967.11    Futagodake   [Link]
23y 11m  1977/09/15  2001.09    Tamanoshima  [Link]
23y 11m  1948/01/11  1972.01    Wajima       [Link]
23y 11m  1973/03/08  1997.03    Kyokushuzan  [Link]
23y 11m  1962/09/02  1986.09    Mitoizumi    [Link]
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24y  1m  1948/11/16  1973.01    Masuiyama    [Link]
24y  2m  1948/02/16  1972.05    Kaiketsu     [Link]
24y  3m  1976/07/10  2000.11    Wakanosato   [Link]
24y  4m  1942/06/20  1966.11    Daikirin     [Link]
24y  4m  1955/12/09  1980.05    Asashio      [Link]
24y  5m  1937/11/30  1962.05    Toyokuni     [Link]
24y  5m  1952/09/29  1977.03    Takanosato   [Link]
24y  5m  1970/03/21  1994.09    Hamanoshima  [Link]
24y  6m  1954/10/31  1979.05    Tochiakagi   [Link]
24y  6m  1948/02/09  1972.09    Fujizakura   [Link]
24y  7m  1943/01/12  1967.09    Mutsuarashi  [Link]
24y  8m  1937/08/18  1962.05    Yutakayama   [Link]
24y  8m  1976/04/11  2001.01    Kotomitsuki  [Link]
24y  8m  1976/04/02  2001.01    Takanowaka   [Link]
24y 10m  1947/10/22  1972.09    Yutakayama   [Link]
24y 10m  1981/08/07  2006.07    Asasekiryu   [Link]
24y 11m  1962/07/30  1987.07    Ryogoku      [Link]
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25y  0m  1980/08/28  2005.09    Futeno       [Link]
25y  0m  1987/02/23  2012.03    Gagamaru     [Link]
25y  0m  1991/04/02  2016.05  x Kotoyuki     [Link]
25y  1m  1962/05/22  1987.07    Tochinowaka  [Link]
25y  1m  1957/01/12  1982.03    Wakashimazu  [Link]
25y  1m  1991/11/05  2017.01  x Shodai       [Link]
25y  1m  1994/05/04  2019.07  x Abi          [Link]
25y  2m  1952/12/16  1978.03    Kurama       [Link]
25y  3m  1968/05/15  1993.09    Kotonowaka   [Link]
25y  3m  1975/07/05  2000.11    Hayateumi    [Link]
25y  4m  1949/06/20  1974.11    Arase        [Link]
25y  4m  1944/06/16  1969.11    Takamiyama   [Link]
25y  5m  1956/07/19  1982.01    Sadanoumi    [Link]
25y  5m  1981/03/10  2006.09    Kokkai       [Link]
25y  5m  1972/01/07  1997.07    Tamakasuga   [Link]
25y  6m  1947/04/25  1972.11    Asahikuni    [Link]
25y  6m  1978/08/12  2004.03    Kakizoe      [Link]
25y  7m  1967/05/07  1993.01    Daishoho     [Link]
25y  7m  1994/03/01  2019.11  x Asanoyama    [Link]
25y  8m  1964/10/28  1990.07    Kotofuji     [Link]
25y  8m  1961/06/27  1987.03    Masurao      [Link]
25y  8m  1986/10/22  2012.07  x Myogiryu     [Link]
25y  8m  1958/02/15  1983.11    Tagaryu      [Link]
25y  9m  1988/11/14  2014.09  x Chiyotairyu  [Link]
25y 11m  1969/03/19  1995.03    Naminohana   [Link]
25y 11m  1978/03/18  2004.03    Shimotori    [Link]
25y 11m  1994/11/14  2020.11  x Takanosho    [Link]
25y 11m  1980/03/09  2006.03    Roho         [Link]
25y 11m  1971/07/08  1997.07    Oginishiki   [Link]
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26y  0m  1988/08/07  2014.09  x Jokoryu      [Link]
26y  0m  1963/02/02  1989.03    Terao        [Link]
26y  1m  1993/11/10  2020.01  x Daieisho     [Link]
26y  2m  1986/06/19  2012.09  x Aoiyama      [Link]
26y  3m  1976/05/12  2002.09    Takamisakari [Link]
26y  4m  1961/04/17  1987.09    Maenoshin    [Link]
26y  4m  1957/08/15  1984.01    Koboyama     [Link]
26y  4m  1960/12/06  1987.05    Hananoumi    [Link]
26y  5m  1962/07/01  1989.01    Misugisato   [Link]
26y  6m  1942/02/20  1968.09    Wakafutase   [Link]
26y  6m  1968/02/17  1994.09    Mainoumi     [Link]
26y  7m  1984/01/31  2010.09    Aran         [Link]
26y  7m  1992/07/15  2019.03  x Hokutofuji   [Link]
26y  7m  1940/07/01  1967.03    Fukunohana   [Link]
26y  8m  1977/10/31  2004.07    Hokutoriki   [Link]
26y  8m  1963/10/09  1990.07    Takanofuji   [Link]
26y  9m  1949/11/24  1976.09    Tamanofuji   [Link]
26y  9m  1948/11/14  1975.09    Aobajo       [Link]
26y 10m  1946/06/30  1973.05    Haguroiwa    [Link]
26y 10m  1952/06/12  1979.05    Kaiki        [Link]
26y 10m  1949/04/02  1976.03    Washuyama    [Link]
26y 11m  1966/03/08  1993.03    Wakashoyo    [Link]
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27y  1m  1983/05/05  2010.07    Hakuba       [Link]
27y  3m  1974/09/13  2002.01    Kyokutenho   [Link]
27y  5m  1979/09/10  2007.03    Tokitenku    [Link]
27y  5m  1951/05/04  1978.11    Banryuyama   [Link]
27y  6m  1990/10/19  2018.05  x Endo         [Link]
27y  7m  1968/09/10  1996.05    Asahiyutaka  [Link]
27y  7m  1976/03/02  2003.11    Iwakiyama    [Link]
27y  8m  1973/02/28  2000.11    Tochinohana  [Link]
27y  8m  1959/04/03  1987.01    Kirishima    [Link]
27y  9m  1955/03/29  1983.01    Oyutaka      [Link]
27y  9m  1985/07/29  2013.05    Okinoumi     [Link]
27y  9m  1948/07/02  1976.05    Kitaseumi    [Link]
27y 10m  1967/06/27  1995.05    Kenko        [Link]
27y 10m  1959/12/24  1987.11    Jingaku      [Link]
27y 10m  1984/02/24  2012.01    Wakakoyu     [Link]
27y 10m  1964/10/14  1992.09    Kyokudozan   [Link]
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28y  0m  1986/10/11  2014.11  x Ikioi        [Link]
28y  0m  1978/10/03  2006.11    Aminishiki   [Link]
28y  2m  1951/04/29  1979.07    Tamakiyama   [Link]
28y  2m  1958/04/25  1986.07    Tochitsukasa [Link]
28y  3m  1948/05/04  1976.09    Wakajishi    [Link]
28y  4m  1987/02/18  2015.07  x Takarafuji   [Link]
28y  5m  1951/05/13  1979.11    Dewanohana   [Link]
28y  6m  1973/04/17  2001.11    Kaiho        [Link]
28y  7m  1951/05/13  1980.01    Kurosegawa   [Link]
28y  7m  1990/11/10  2019.07  x Ryuden       [Link]
28y  8m  1979/06/21  2008.03    Takekaze     [Link]
28y  8m  1950/04/03  1979.01    Aobayama     [Link]
28y  9m  1972/05/12  2001.03    Wakanoyama   [Link]
28y 10m  1984/02/09  2013.01  x Shohozan     [Link]
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29y  1m  1974/07/04  2003.09    Toki         [Link]
29y  2m  1964/12/14  1994.03    Daizen       [Link]
29y  4m  1950/02/28  1979.07    Futatsuryu   [Link]
29y  4m  1986/12/18  2016.05  x Kaisei       [Link]
29y  6m  1964/06/23  1994.01    Tomonohana   [Link]
29y  8m  1951/04/10  1981.01    Masudayama   [Link]
29y  9m  1961/03/01  1991.01    Takamisugi   [Link]
29y 11m  1948/01/04  1978.01    Oshio        [Link]
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30y  3m  1984/11/16  2015.03  x Tamawashi    [Link]
30y  4m  1956/10/29  1987.03    Daitetsu     [Link]
30y  6m  1981/04/16  2011.11    Homasho      [Link]
32y  1m  1982/03/19  2014.05    Yoshikaze    [Link]
33y  1m  1956/03/21  1989.05    Itai         [Link]
33y  3m  1954/07/22  1987.11    Tamaryu      [Link]
33y  6m  1962/04/26  1995.11    Kotoinazuma  [Link]

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Thanks, this is a real gem of a document.  Speaking as a newbie (< 5 years following Sumo), seeing names like Chiyootori and Toyonoshima give context to the threads on "ex-sekitori still trying to get back", and "rikishi retiring this basho."  I'm prodded to go to the db and find out about these guys, which enriches my experience of Ozumo.

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+1 for that. Thanks, Pierre.

I was unsurprised to find Kirishima (one of my faves back in the day - saw him at London in 1991) confirmed as the ozeki with the oldest sanyaku debut.

I was surprised to find Asanoyama as 'runner up'. I think of him as being young, probably because of his relatively short time in ozumo since his Sd100 start. 

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And great info to keep in mind when evaluating the endless stream of supposed ozeki prospects....

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12 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Interpret at your leisure.

And then there's Onishiki. Makes komusubi in his second top-division tournament due to a combination of good banzuke luck and what looks like an odd over-promotion (how did he get the slot over Mienoumi/Takamiyama?), promptly goes 3-12, spends the next 15 years bouncing between Makuuchi and Juryo, never reaching san'yaku again.

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Sorry, to veer off topic, but Ouchiyama is probably the best shikona i've ever heard.

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