Atenzan 1,074 Posted January 27, 2016 Kinboshi collector of renown Fujinishiki holds the unfortunate record of most modern-era Komusubi appearances without Sekiwake promotion with 10. Second in line is our very own Tochinoshin with 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,941 Posted March 7, 2016 A look at how many wins has been required to take the Yusho, how many times that number of wins was not good for the Yusho, whether by playoff or having less, since 1950 (since there have always been 15-day tournaments), so not including the older 15-day tournaments from the 1930s and 1940s, with the non-Yusho only including those ranked M4 or higher (Yusho count includes low Maegashira winners; I'm not sure how this skews the data). Following that is a list of the equivalent wins of each of the active rikishi who has scored as least as many wins as on the first table while ranked at least M4. This does include a few tournaments without full joi schedules, such as Tochiozan's one entry, but it shouldn't be too unrepresentative. That is, each time someone scored 15 wins, they got 1 equivalent Yusho, each time they scored 14 they got .731... equivalent Yusho, etc., based on how often that score was good enough for the Yusho. Then follows the rikishi offered ichidai toshiyori status as well as Asashoryu for comparison. The two 11-win Yusho were completely ignored because the times that such a score has won the Yusho compared to the times it has been reached by a joi member is negligible. Wins Yusho Non-Yusho Equivalent Yusho 15 68 0 1 14 147 54 0.731343 13 125 162 0.43554 12 31 383 0.074879 Rikishi Equivalent Yusho Hakuho 31.30634 Harumafuji 5.779328 Kakuryu 2.197744 Kisenosato 1.81704 Kotoshogiku 0.881102 Terunofuji 0.585299 Goeido 0.149758 Tochiozan 0.074879 Taiho 24.49986 Chiyonofuji 22.99946 Kitanoumi 20.13264 Asashoryu 17.46875 Takanohana 17.06407 Note that the equivalent Yusho tends to understate the number of yusho by a decent amount for the dai-Yokozuna; this is likely from them winning most of the playoff matches that they were win - I noticed when grabbing the totals that the dai-Yokozuna had much higher Yusho conversions of 13 and 14 win tournaments than the general population. It also is mostly accurate overall in terms of ranking how many Yusho each of them ended up with even if it's not all that linear. Kitanoumi scoring significantly higher than Asashoryu who had 1 Yusho more indicates that the former rijicho had stronger competition (certainly Wajima at the least). The entire point of this exercise for me was to get an idea of how many Yusho Kisenosato "should" have won by now. The answer is either 1 or 2, partly depending on whether his 13 wins at M4 should be counted or not (he faced 2 Ozeki out of 7 Y+O). If you don't count it, his equivalent Yusho count is around 1.3. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,599 Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) Active rikishi with most tournaments in junior san'yaku rikishi basho (S / K) Tochiozan 23 (11 / 12) Kisenosato 22 (10 / 12) Goeido 19 (15 / 4) Kotoshogiku 16 (10 / 6) Aminishiki 15 (6 / 9) Kakuryu 13 (8 / 5) Toyonoshima 13 (5 / 8) Harumafuji 12 (8 / 4) Myogiryu 12 (8 / 4) Tochiozan finally surpassed Kisenosato here (though it's still a long way to go until Kotonishikis all time record of 34 tournaments in junior san'yaku). Edited March 12, 2016 by Tenshinhan 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted March 13, 2016 The last 100 Makuuchi yusho were won by: Yokozuna 70 times, Ozeki 23 times, Sekiwake and below 7 times. To analyse this better: Yokozuna 70 times, Ozeki as part of a successful tsuna run 8 times, Ozeki not as part of a successful tsuna run 15 times, Joi-jin as part of a successful Ozeki run 4 times, Sekiwake or below not as part of a succesful Ozeki run 3 times. With measured pessimism, Kotoshougiku's sole yusho was not considered to be part of a succesful tsuna run. Data taken from this page: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Yusho.aspx 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted March 13, 2016 Wajima is the only rikishi in any division post-1919 to have won a yusho and be absent in at least one day. He missed senshuuraku in Kyushu '73 after handing out a fusenpai on day 14. His record of 12-2-1 was enough to earn him his 4th cup. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,871 Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) Wajima is the only rikishi in any division post-1919 to have won a yusho and be absent in at least one day. He missed senshuuraku in Kyushu '73 after handing out a fusenpai on day 14. His record of 12-2-1 was enough to earn him his 4th cup.He came into day 12 undefeated. He won his match with Takanohana I, but, in the process, he split the webbing between his fingers. He tried to fight with a bandaged hand on day 13, but lost badly. Fortunately, his only yusho contender also picked up his 4th loss. He went kyujo on days 14 and 15, but still picked up the yusho. Edited March 13, 2016 by Asojima 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted March 13, 2016 Wajima is the only rikishi in any division post-1919 to have won a yusho and be absent in at least one day. He missed senshuuraku in Kyushu '73 after handing out a fusenpai on day 14. His record of 12-2-1 was enough to earn him his 4th cup. Haru 1989. Chiyonofuji dislocated his shoulder whilst defeating Onokuni by uwatenage. He was kyujo on senshuraku but came to the dohyo at the prizewinning ceremony to pick up the Emperors Cup one handed, having taken the yusho 14-1. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted March 14, 2016 Wajima is the only rikishi in any division post-1919 to have won a yusho and be absent in at least one day. He missed senshuuraku in Kyushu '73 after handing out a fusenpai on day 14. His record of 12-2-1 was enough to earn him his 4th cup.Haru 1989.Chiyonofuji dislocated his shoulder whilst defeating Onokuni by uwatenage. He was kyujo on senshuraku but came to the dohyo at the prizewinning ceremony to pick up the Emperors Cup one handed, having taken the yusho 14-1. Didn't clarify this enough- Wajima's cup was the only one to feature a **non-fusenpai** absence by the yusho rikishi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,431 Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) It's the first time in 34 years that after three days, all 3 Yokozunas have at least one loss. Since Aki 1982- Chiyonofuji, Wakanohana II and Kitanoumi each had a loss after day 3. Edited March 15, 2016 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted March 16, 2016 It's the first time in 34 years that after three days, all 3 Yokozunas have at least one loss. Since Aki 1982- Chiyonofuji, Wakanohana II and Kitanoumi each had a loss after day 3.For how many of those intervening years did we even have 3 yokozuna? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,941 Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) It's the first time in 34 years that after three days, all 3 Yokozunas have at least one loss. Since Aki 1982- Chiyonofuji, Wakanohana II and Kitanoumi each had a loss after day 3.For how many of those intervening years did we even have 3 yokozuna? 64 basho (when you add in Kyushu 1982). That doesn't tell you how often at least 3 competed the first three days, but that's still roughly one third of the time. Edited March 16, 2016 by Gurowake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,857 Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) This was a bit difficult to query, but I think it's correct: - it's the first time since Natsu 2012 Day 1 that all active ozeki have a better record than all active yokozuna (Hakuho started 0-1, all six ozeki started 1-0) - it's the first time since Haru 2007 Day 2 that it happens later than Day 1 (Asashoryu started 0-2, all five ozeki started at least 1-1) - it's the first time since Natsu 1999 Day 5 that it happens with multiple active yokozuna (Akebono and Wakanohana started 3-2, ozeki Musashimaru and Takanonami both started at least 4-1) (I've only considered days on which all yokozuna who started the basho were still active, e.g. Nagoya 2003 doesn't count, where Musashimaru dropped out after Day 5 and up to that point the ozeki squad was never ahead.) Edited March 16, 2016 by Asashosakari 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted March 16, 2016 Thank you! Yeah, I had trouble seeing how to do that query myself. I'm not too handy with that form, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,857 Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Thank you! Yeah, I had trouble seeing how to do that query myself. I'm not too handy with that form, I guess.That was one of those "90% of the magic happens in Excel" deals. I have no idea how to get anywhere near with just the query alone, either. :-) All I grabbed was running win totals for the yokozuna and ozeki, like this. Edited March 16, 2016 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumozumo 240 Posted March 18, 2016 The last time all sekiwake and komusubi had 1 win or less after day 5 was 2000, and before that 1983. If yoshikaze hadn't upset harumafuji it would have been only the second time ever since 1983 aki. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shimodahito 293 Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) good day all, on day 7, we had 6 consecutive oshidashi wins. I'm not sure what the record is for most consecutive kimarite of the same technique..... M9e Toyohibiki 2-5 oshidashi 1-1 M12w Hidenoumi 3-4 M13e Chiyootori 4-3 oshidashi 2-3[-1] M9w Sadanoumi 2-5 M10e Gagamaru 4-3 oshidashi 3-0 M13w Mitakeumi 4-3 M16e Akiseyama 2-5 oshidashi 0-1 M10w Tamawashi 4-3 M14e Daishomaru 4-3 oshidashi 3-1 M15e Satoyama 2-5 M15w Kitataiki 2-5 oshidashi 1-2 M14w Daieisho 5-2 Edited March 19, 2016 by shimodahito Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lackmaker 432 Posted March 19, 2016 The last time all sekiwake and komusubi had 1 win or less after day 5 was 2000, and before that 1983. If yoshikaze hadn't upset harumafuji it would have been only the second time ever since 1983 aki. And the junior sanyaku haven't had a single win against the ozeki or maegashira despite beating 3 yokozuna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumozumo 240 Posted March 20, 2016 The last time all sekiwake and komusubi had 1 win or less after day 5 was 2000, and before that 1983. If yoshikaze hadn't upset harumafuji it would have been only the second time ever since 1983 aki. I read this again today and I think maybe if there is some scheduling difference this might not be so impressive - i.e. S vs K is a guaranteed victory for the group. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted March 22, 2016 On day 6, Kotoyuuki beat Terunofuji by the most common kimarite in sumo, yorikiri. The last time Kotoyuuki won by yorikiri was Nagoya 2012, day 7, 302 bouts ago. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_kim.aspx?r=9079#0yorikiri 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted April 4, 2016 A loss on day 1 being turned into a 14-1 yusho is not unheard of. Hakuhou's was in fact the 14th case since 1953, meaning that it occurs once every four and a half years since then. Interestingly, it has happened in back-to-back bashos in the Chiyonofuji era. 1982.11 Y1e Chiyonofuji lost on shonichi -> 14-1Y 1983.01 O1w Kotokaze lost on shonichi -> 14-1Y Even more interestingly, in both of those two cases the giant-slayer was Hokutenyu, who used his 11-4 in Hatsu '83 to jumpstart an impressive 37-win ozeki run, including a 14-1 yusho. And guess on which day his one loss came on? Just kidding. Day 13. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted April 10, 2016 The last time Hakuhou went makekoshi without withdrawing from the tournament was in July 2002. He was ranked sandanme 23 west. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I have decided not to revive a thread that went inactive in 2005 and post this here.There has been one instance in the modern era with zero Ozeki on the banzuke. That was Aki '81, immediately after Chiyonofuji's yokozuna promotion. The sei-yokozuna pair acted as a yokozuna-ozeki pair, leaving Wakanohana II in the haridashi spot. The sticky situation was mostly over next basho, Kotokaze's promotion to Ozeki making only one Yokozuna-Ozeki necessary.http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=198109 Edited thanks to Washuyama. Them Aomori buggers got me confused again. Edited May 11, 2016 by McBugger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 635 Posted May 11, 2016 I have decided not to revive a thread that went inactive in 2005 and post this here. ... leaving Wakanohana II (uncle of Waka-Taka and brother of Ozeki Takanohana) Wakanohana II is not related to Waka/Taka or Ozeki Takanohana. Wakanohana I is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted May 11, 2016 I have decided not to revive a thread that went inactive in 2005 and post this here. ... leaving Wakanohana II (uncle of Waka-Taka and brother of Ozeki Takanohana) Wakanohana II is not related to Waka/Taka or Ozeki Takanohana. Wakanohana I is... Of course he isn't. Saw Aomori and jumped on it. Duly edited. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted June 4, 2016 It seems that for the past few months I am the only one actually contributing to this thread and bumping it up. If anyone finds this distasteful or wrong, please don't hesitate in telling me. Anyway, trivia: There are only four rikishi in history that faced a certain opponent 20 or more times and were unbeaten. These are: Taihou, faced Haguroyama 21 times for no loss Hakuhou, has faced Tochinoshin 22* times for no loss. If I played cricket or English billiards (which I do), I would put an asterisk next to the 22 to mark the tally unfinished (which I did). Musashimaru, faced Tochinowaka 23 times for no loss Kitanoumi, faced Tochihikari 29 times for no loss. One would presume that no non-yokozuna has accomplished this feat, looking at the names listed, but Musashimaru never faced Tochinowaka as yokozuna, their last bout being in mid-'99. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites