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Oki is the second rikishi in the 15-bout era to start his shin-Juryo basho 0-8. The first was Fujinosato in 1984 Natsu, at the same rank and age. Hopefully the future will be kinder to Oki - Fujinosato didn't return to Juryo and retired two years later.

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2 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

ccording to the database, in the 15-days era, it is only the third time it happens, after

- Nagoya 1975, 4 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kongo eventually gets his only yusho with 13-2 (no kettei-sen)

- Nagoya 2003, 10 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kaio eventually gets the yusho with 12-3 (no kettei-sen)

This time, 9 rikishi tie for the lead.

I guess that makes Kiribayama is a shoo-in for the yusho

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2 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

After the nakabi of this Aki 2020, there is no makuuchi rikishi at 8-0 or 7-1.

According to the database, in the 15-days era, it is only the third time it happens, after

- Nagoya 1975, 4 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kongo eventually gets his only yusho with 13-2 (no kettei-sen)

- Nagoya 2003, 10 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kaio eventually gets the yusho with 12-3 (no kettei-sen)

This time, 9 rikishi tie for the lead.

I think you are missing

- Natsu 1968, 7 rikishi tie at 6-2, Tamanoshima (Tamanoumi) eventually gets the yusho with 13-2 (no kettei-sen)

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36 minutes ago, Kashunowaka said:

I think you are missing

- Natsu 1968, 7 rikishi tie at 6-2, Tamanoshima (Tamanoumi) eventually gets the yusho with 13-2 (no kettei-sen)

You are right!

So in each precedent, the highest ranked of the 6-2 rikishi got the yusho with no kettei-sen

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1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said:

Oki is the second rikishi in the 15-bout era to start his shin-Juryo basho 0-8. The first was Fujinosato in 1984 Natsu, at the same rank and age. Hopefully the future will be kinder to Oki - Fujinosato didn't return to Juryo and retired two years later.

Oki -- not currently Doki.

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4 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

After the nakabi of this Aki 2020, there is no makuuchi rikishi at 8-0 or 7-1.

According to the database, in the 15-days era, it is only the third time it happens, after

- Nagoya 1975, 4 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kongo eventually gets his only yusho with 13-2 (no kettei-sen)

- Nagoya 2003, 10 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kaio eventually gets the yusho with 12-3 (no kettei-sen)

This time, 9 rikishi tie for the lead.

Aki 2020, 9 rikishi tie at 6-2, a rikishi starts with K (Kiribayama/Kotoshoho) eventually gets the yusho with 11-4 (no kettei-sen)? (Laughing...)

Well, Takakeisho it will!

1 hour ago, Nantonoyama said:

You are right!

So in each precedent, the highest ranked of the 6-2 rikishi got the yusho with no kettei-sen

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Minor trivia: The last time with a 3-win margin for the yusho winner in juryo was 07/2018. Chiyonokuni is only the 26th to clinch a 14-1 in juryo, since they did 15 bouts the first time in 1941. A lot of big names on that list.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=1&rowcount=5&form1_wins=14&form1_j=on

Without his day 4 loss, he would be on a very, very exclusive list:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=1&rowcount=5&form1_wins=15&form1_j=on

On a side note: A 14-1 in juryo so far is the only result, apart from zensho-yusho in juryo or makuuchi, that NEVER forced a play-off so far. And it's almost impossible to have 2 15-0 guys on day 15, so one could argue, a juryo 14-1 yusho is the most elusive.

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1 hour ago, Benihana said:

Without his day 4 loss, he would be on a very, very exclusive list

...and it would have been the first basho with both 15-0 and 0-15, of course.

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On 27/09/2020 at 09:12, Benihana said:

It's almost as impressive that all of these followed that juryo zensho up with double digit wins on makuuchi, which was the top division debut for everyone except for TNS.

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The query function's "Highest Rank" trigger does not function as well as intended, but that 14-1 list is also impressive. 19 out of 26 made it to sanyaku, including plenty of O/Y.

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6 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

The query function's "Highest Rank" trigger does not function as well as intended, but that 14-1 list is also impressive. 19 out of 26 made it to sanyaku, including plenty of O/Y.

I really wish this would be fixed; it would be a much more useful feature if it actually gave the highest career rank.

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On 21/09/2020 at 00:24, Yamanashi said:

Oki -- not currently Doki.

I was so caught up with celebrating Shodai's yusho that I forgot about that. Yikes... I hope he will not be disheartened and return to sekitori status soon. 

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Pretty obscure here, but I'm trying to figure out the effect University sumo has on Makuuchi performance.  For Aki basho:

Out of all 42 rikishi, 7 are Mongolian (& no University), 16 are Japanese w/ University, 19 are Japanese/other (& no University).

Weighting this number by M17 = 0, M16 = 1, etc up to Yokozuna = 20, we get: Mongolian 84, University 169, other 185.

Per capita: Mongolian 12.0 (~M5), University 10.6 (~M6), other 9.7 (M7).

Having two Mongolian Yokozuna and 4 University guys in Sanyaku helps those groups; however, the numbers show a separation among groups.

What I take from this is that the effect of entering after college is a slight positive rather than  a negative right now.  The age gap due to starting later out of University and other factors I will leave to the real stat jocks on this forum.

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On 28/09/2020 at 18:56, Reonito said:

I really wish this would be fixed; it would be a much more useful feature if it actually gave the highest career rank.

Well, I would prefer both to be available; I've done quite a few queries that utilized the current version. This effort required locating former sekitori in the lower ranks; that's just impossible to do with the career highs. And at least those can also be extracted relatively easily from the DB in other ways, which is not the case for highest rank to date.

Speaking of lower ranks, Chiyonokuni is now the sole all-time leader with 7 yusho won in juryo and below: Link

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1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Well, I would prefer both to be available; I've done quite a few queries that utilized the current version.

Fair enough, career high would be a great addition IMHO.

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Times there have been 3 Sekiwake since 2000 have been very predictive of Ozeki promotions, especially if you consider repromotions.  This kinda makes sense, but I was surprised at how consistent it's been.  Going back before this, things were different and it was a lot more common.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=3&form1_rank=s&form1_year=>2000

2001.11 - Tochiazuma promoted

2002.01 - One basho before Asashoryu's Ozeki run.  He maintained his Sekiwake rank with an 8-7 this basho.  He apparently was only promoted to Sekiwake because of M1 10-5 > K 10-5 which set him up for a potential Ozeki promotion.  This is the most dubious of the connections, but the promotion was fairly soon after.

2003.03 - Dud (Wakanosato forced the 3rd slot, but never managed to put together a run)

2004.07 and 2005.01 - Tochiazuma repromoted after one basho at Sekiwake

2011.07 and 2011.09 - The Ozeki runs of Kotoshogiku and Kisenosato.  Kakuryu, the 3rd Sekiwake both times, also was promoted soon afterwards.

2014.03 - Start of Goeido's Ozeki run

2017.03 and 2017.05 - Takayasu promoted after the latter

2017.11 - Dud (3 Sekiwake due to Terunofuji's demotion. Mitakeumi was the Wakanosato-type here that might have made it but didn't)

2020.09 - Shodai promoted

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Times there have been 3 Sekiwake since 2000 have been very predictive of Ozeki promotions, especially if you consider repromotions.  This kinda makes sense, but I was surprised at how consistent it's been.  Going back before this, things were different and it was a lot more common.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=3&form1_rank=s&form1_year=>2000

2001.11 - Tochiazuma promoted

2002.01 - One basho before Asashoryu's Ozeki run.  He maintained his Sekiwake rank with an 8-7 this basho.  He apparently was only promoted to Sekiwake because of M1 10-5 > K 10-5 which set him up for a potential Ozeki promotion.  This is the most dubious of the connections, but the promotion was fairly soon after.

2003.03 - Dud (Wakanosato forced the 3rd slot, but never managed to put together a run)

2004.07 and 2005.01 - Tochiazuma repromoted after one basho at Sekiwake

2011.07 and 2011.09 - The Ozeki runs of Kotoshogiku and Kisenosato.  Kakuryu, the 3rd Sekiwake both times, also was promoted soon afterwards.

2014.03 - Start of Goeido's Ozeki run

2017.03 and 2017.05 - Takayasu promoted after the latter

2017.11 - Dud (3 Sekiwake due to Terunofuji's demotion. Mitakeumi was the Wakanosato-type here that might have made it but didn't)

2020.09 - Shodai promoted

 

 

Well, not only does having 3 sekiwake better your strike chances of one of them promoting soon, but to have three sekiwake in the first place, one of them must have done really well and the other two at least KK. So that makes 3 rikishi on reasonable streaks who could be promoted with one more good push. If you have a Mitakeumi or Wakanosato in the mix who's a known did though, that does drop your strike rate a bit back to two sekiwake. 

Given that Daieisho wasn't reasonably expected to make good as shin-sekiwake though, I wonder whether any of the above basho involved shin-sekiwake. That might tilt things a bit. 

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50 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

to have three sekiwake in the first place, one of them must have done really well and the other two at least KK.

Not if one of them is a demoted ozeki.

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4 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Not if one of them is a demoted ozeki.

Gah, my bad. That makes the ozekiwake scenario more akin to a Mitakeumi/Wakanosato dud type, then. 

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With Terunofuji and Takayasu as komusubi November 2020 is the 5th basho in modern history with two former ozeki ranked among the lower sanyaku, but it's the first time ever that neither is a freshly demoted ex-ozeki.

(Previously: Nagoya 1976Aki 2000Hatsu 2005Kyushu 2017)

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