Trivia bits

[code_number3 708]

4 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

After the nakabi of this Aki 2020, there is no makuuchi rikishi at 8-0 or 7-1.

According to the database, in the 15-days era, it is only the third time it happens, after

- Nagoya 1975, 4 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kongo eventually gets his only yusho with 13-2 (no kettei-sen)

- Nagoya 2003, 10 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kaio eventually gets the yusho with 12-3 (no kettei-sen)

This time, 9 rikishi tie for the lead.

Aki 2020, 9 rikishi tie at 6-2, a rikishi starts with K (Kiribayama/Kotoshoho) eventually gets the yusho with 11-4 (no kettei-sen)? 

Well, Takakeisho it will!

1 hour ago, Nantonoyama said:

You are right!

So in each precedent, the highest ranked of the 6-2 rikishi got the yusho with no kettei-sen

Edited September 20, 2020 by code_number3

[Benihana 1,929]

Minor trivia: The last time with a 3-win margin for the yusho winner in juryo was 07/2018. Chiyonokuni is only the 26th to clinch a 14-1 in juryo, since they did 15 bouts the first time in 1941. A lot of big names on that list.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=1&rowcount=5&form1_wins=14&form1_j=on

Without his day 4 loss, he would be on a very, very exclusive list:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=1&rowcount=5&form1_wins=15&form1_j=on

On a side note: A 14-1 in juryo so far is the only result, apart from zensho-yusho in juryo or makuuchi, that NEVER forced a play-off so far. And it's almost impossible to have 2 15-0 guys on day 15, so one could argue, a juryo 14-1 yusho is the most elusive.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Benihana

[Jakusotsu 6,000]

1 hour ago, Benihana said:

Without his day 4 loss, he would be on a very, very exclusive list

...and it would have been the first basho with both 15-0 and 0-15, of course.

[Koorifuu 1,003]

On 27/09/2020 at 09:12, Benihana said:

Without his day 4 loss, he would be on a very, very exclusive list:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=1&rowcount=5&form1_wins=15&form1_j=on

It's almost as impressive that all of these followed that juryo zensho up with double digit wins on makuuchi, which was the top division debut for everyone except for TNS.

EDIT
The query function's "Highest Rank" trigger does not function as well as intended, but that 14-1 list is also impressive. 19 out of 26 made it to sanyaku, including plenty of O/Y.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Koorifuu

[Reonito 1,482]

6 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

The query function's "Highest Rank" trigger does not function as well as intended, but that 14-1 list is also impressive. 19 out of 26 made it to sanyaku, including plenty of O/Y.

I really wish this would be fixed; it would be a much more useful feature if it actually gave the highest career rank.

[pricklypomegranate 730]

On 21/09/2020 at 00:24, Yamanashi said:

Oki -- not currently Doki.

I was so caught up with celebrating Shodai's yusho that I forgot about that. Yikes... I hope he will not be disheartened and return to sekitori status soon. 

[Yamanashi 3,875]

Pretty obscure here, but I'm trying to figure out the effect University sumo has on Makuuchi performance.  For Aki basho:

Out of all 42 rikishi, 7 are Mongolian (& no University), 16 are Japanese w/ University, 19 are Japanese/other (& no University).

Weighting this number by M17 = 0, M16 = 1, etc up to Yokozuna = 20, we get: Mongolian 84, University 169, other 185.

Per capita: Mongolian 12.0 (~M5), University 10.6 (~M6), other 9.7 (M7).

Having two Mongolian Yokozuna and 4 University guys in Sanyaku helps those groups; however, the numbers show a separation among groups.

What I take from this is that the effect of entering after college is a slight positive rather than  a negative right now.  The age gap due to starting later out of University and other factors I will leave to the real stat jocks on this forum.

[Asashosakari 19,506]

On 28/09/2020 at 18:56, Reonito said:

I really wish this would be fixed; it would be a much more useful feature if it actually gave the highest career rank.

Well, I would prefer both to be available; I've done quite a few queries that utilized the current version. This effort required locating former sekitori in the lower ranks; that's just impossible to do with the career highs. And at least those can also be extracted relatively easily from the DB in other ways, which is not the case for highest rank to date.

Speaking of lower ranks, Chiyonokuni is now the sole all-time leader with 7 yusho won in juryo and below: Link

Edited September 29, 2020 by Asashosakari

[Reonito 1,482]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Well, I would prefer both to be available; I've done quite a few queries that utilized the current version.

Fair enough, career high would be a great addition IMHO.

[Gurowake 4,088]

Times there have been 3 Sekiwake since 2000 have been very predictive of Ozeki promotions, especially if you consider repromotions.  This kinda makes sense, but I was surprised at how consistent it's been.  Going back before this, things were different and it was a lot more common.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=3&form1_rank=s&form1_year=>2000

2001.11 - Tochiazuma promoted

2002.01 - One basho before Asashoryu's Ozeki run.  He maintained his Sekiwake rank with an 8-7 this basho.  He apparently was only promoted to Sekiwake because of M1 10-5 > K 10-5 which set him up for a potential Ozeki promotion.  This is the most dubious of the connections, but the promotion was fairly soon after.

2003.03 - Dud (Wakanosato forced the 3rd slot, but never managed to put together a run)

2004.07 and 2005.01 - Tochiazuma repromoted after one basho at Sekiwake

2011.07 and 2011.09 - The Ozeki runs of Kotoshogiku and Kisenosato.  Kakuryu, the 3rd Sekiwake both times, also was promoted soon afterwards.

2014.03 - Start of Goeido's Ozeki run

2017.03 and 2017.05 - Takayasu promoted after the latter

2017.11 - Dud (3 Sekiwake due to Terunofuji's demotion. Mitakeumi was the Wakanosato-type here that might have made it but didn't)

2020.09 - Shodai promoted

 

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Gurowake

[Seiyashi 4,105]

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Times there have been 3 Sekiwake since 2000 have been very predictive of Ozeki promotions, especially if you consider repromotions.  This kinda makes sense, but I was surprised at how consistent it's been.  Going back before this, things were different and it was a lot more common.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=3&form1_rank=s&form1_year=>2000

2001.11 - Tochiazuma promoted

2002.01 - One basho before Asashoryu's Ozeki run.  He maintained his Sekiwake rank with an 8-7 this basho.  He apparently was only promoted to Sekiwake because of M1 10-5 > K 10-5 which set him up for a potential Ozeki promotion.  This is the most dubious of the connections, but the promotion was fairly soon after.

2003.03 - Dud (Wakanosato forced the 3rd slot, but never managed to put together a run)

2004.07 and 2005.01 - Tochiazuma repromoted after one basho at Sekiwake

2011.07 and 2011.09 - The Ozeki runs of Kotoshogiku and Kisenosato.  Kakuryu, the 3rd Sekiwake both times, also was promoted soon afterwards.

2014.03 - Start of Goeido's Ozeki run

2017.03 and 2017.05 - Takayasu promoted after the latter

2017.11 - Dud (3 Sekiwake due to Terunofuji's demotion. Mitakeumi was the Wakanosato-type here that might have made it but didn't)

2020.09 - Shodai promoted

 

 

Well, not only does having 3 sekiwake better your strike chances of one of them promoting soon, but to have three sekiwake in the first place, one of them must have done really well and the other two at least KK. So that makes 3 rikishi on reasonable streaks who could be promoted with one more good push. If you have a Mitakeumi or Wakanosato in the mix who's a known did though, that does drop your strike rate a bit back to two sekiwake. 

Given that Daieisho wasn't reasonably expected to make good as shin-sekiwake though, I wonder whether any of the above basho involved shin-sekiwake. That might tilt things a bit. 

[Tigerboy1966 1,451]

50 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

to have three sekiwake in the first place, one of them must have done really well and the other two at least KK.

Not if one of them is a demoted ozeki.

[Seiyashi 4,105]

4 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Not if one of them is a demoted ozeki.

Gah, my bad. That makes the ozekiwake scenario more akin to a Mitakeumi/Wakanosato dud type, then. 

[Asashosakari 19,506]

With Terunofuji and Takayasu as komusubi November 2020 is the 5th basho in modern history with two former ozeki ranked among the lower sanyaku, but it's the first time ever that neither is a freshly demoted ex-ozeki.

(Previously: Nagoya 1976, Aki 2000, Hatsu 2005, Kyushu 2017)

Edited October 26, 2020 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 19,506]

Under modern match-making rules (since 1965), the current basho has set a new all-time record for consecutive days without a scheduled intra-sanyaku matchup with 5, spanning Days 4 to 8. The previous sole record holder was Haru 1975 with 4, spanning Days 4 to 7.

Four tournaments with 3-day gaps follow: 1966.05 Days 5-7, 1975.07 Days 5-7, 1980.07 Days 11-13, and 2001.09 Days 10-12. Another two had 2-day gaps: 1992.01 Days 5-6, and 1992.03 Days 7-8.

Edited November 15, 2020 by Asashosakari

[Atenzan 1,084]

Most makuuchi yorikiri victories. 

This certainly says something about Kotoshougiku's long and distinguished career, and, in my opinion, mitigates whatever criticism one may have had about his being a one-trick pony. 

[Yubinhaad 11,728]

A visual scan of the rikishi pages on the database results in very tired eyes, and the following list of rikishi with the most absent honbasho days, as of today. It's possible I missed someone from Sandanme or lower, but I was really starting to struggle by then. 

Takanohana	201
Kakuryu		201*
Hakuho		191*
Akebono		181
Chiyonofuji	170
Tochiazuma	169
Mitoizumi	162
Kaio		158
Hisanotora	152*
Gojoro		146
Kuniazuma	146

 

[Asashosakari 19,506]

Juryo rikishi earning promotion to makuuchi on an 8-7 record with fusensho (* = makuuchi debut):

1943.05 J2w Shachinosato
1953.03 J1e Fukunosato*
1954.09 J1w Fukunosato
1975.11 J2w Tenryu
1991.01 J1w Tsunenoyama*
2002.07 J1e Tochinohana
2011.01 J1e Kaisei*
2016.01 J3e Daieisho
2020.03 J1e Kotoyuki
2022.01 J1e Kagayaki

(Prompted by Akiseyama who did not become part of this club just now.)

Edited January 24, 2022 by Asashosakari
Update after Hatsu 2022

[Yamanashi 3,875]

And with the end of 2020, the legend of Hattorizakura (3-209-1) continues.

Since his debut in 2015, he has been defeated by 69 rikishi whose only win in that basho was against Hattorizakura.  In 28 of those matches, the opponent was 1-0-6, so they came off their sickbed to pick up a single win.

He's kept several rikishi off the banzuke-gai list, including Sawanofuji (6 times), Kitasatsuma (4), and three times for Daigonishiki (43 yrs old), Daishoko, Kyokushoriki and Shishimaru.

In January 2019 he beat Houn (his last victory), who beat someone else for his 1-6. 

Kiitasatsuma retired in 2018 after 68 basho, Daigonishiki (145 basho) and Kyokushoriki (14 basho) in 2020.  In January Hattorizakura will compete in his 32nd basho (as many as Kotoshogiku spent as Ozeki).  He hasn't slowed down, and if he can remain injury-free he will see many more in the years ahead.  Like Hakuho, he can put some records out of reach for all time.

[Seiyashi 4,105]

31 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Since his debut in 2015, he has been defeated by 69 rikishi whose only win in that basho was against Hattorizakura.  In 28 of those matches, the opponent was 1-0-6, so they came off their sickbed to pick up a single win.

Hey, Hattorizakura does valuable service at the bum end of the banzuke. He's your guaranteed match thrower without having to mention those dirty words.

Edited November 22, 2020 by Seiyashi

[Yamanashi 3,875]

2 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Hey, Hattorizakura does valuable service at the bum end of the banzuke. He's your guaranteed match thrower without having to mention those dirty words.

You don't even have to think those dirty words.  It's not paranoia to look at some of today's Makuuchi bouts and think "wow, that guy sure was suspiciously inept in losing to that 7-7 fellow", but you can be dang well sure that Hattorizakura isn't letting off the gas in his matches.

[Seiyashi 4,105]

4 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

You don't even have to think those dirty words.  It's not paranoia to look at some of today's Makuuchi bouts and think "wow, that guy sure was suspiciously inept in losing to that 7-7 fellow", but you can be dang well sure that Hattorizakura isn't letting off the gas in his matches.

Now that you've mentioned that Hattorizakura goes all out, it just becomes sadder that Hattorizakura is still probably the rikishi you run the lowest risk of injury in fighting. That's even though I think just avoiding the James Bond is enough (0-0-7, geddit? har har har) for people trying to do the Ryuden and avoid going banzuke-gai.

Edited November 22, 2020 by Seiyashi

[Yamanashi 3,875]

2 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Now that you've mentioned that Hattorizakura goes all out, it just becomes sadder that Hattorizakura is probably the rikishi you run the lowest risk of injury in fighting. That's even though I think just avoiding the James Bond is enough (0-0-7, geddit? har har har) for people trying to do the Ryuden and avoid going banzuke-gai.

Some of the Hatt addicts on the Forum will know this better, but I recall him saying he'd be a little sad for the rikishi who lose to him.  Having said that, the video tells the tale: if you can stand on one leg and mostly crouch pre-tachiai, you can get a shiriboshi against Hattorizakura.  That's the only reason an Oyakata would risk sending out someone who should be healing -- to get that win and stay off the BG.

[Seiyashi 4,105]

1 minute ago, Yamanashi said:

7 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Now that you've mentioned that Hattorizakura goes all out, it just becomes sadder that Hattorizakura is probably the rikishi you run the lowest risk of injury in fighting. That's even though I think just avoiding the James Bond is enough (0-0-7, geddit? har har har) for people trying to do the Ryuden and avoid going banzuke-gai.

Some of the Hatt addicts on the Forum will know this better, but I recall him saying he'd be a little sad for the rikishi who lose to him.  Having said that, the video tells the tale: if you can stand on one leg and mostly crouch pre-tachiai, you can get a shiriboshi against Hattorizakura.  That's the only reason an Oyakata would risk sending out someone who should be healing -- to get that win and stay off the BG.

Yeah, I remember some real horror examples like Baraki (the retired one, might have been confused with Bariki) where they could barely walk and still came off with the win. It will be a sad day for people in peril of going banzuke-gai when HZ finally retires.

[Yubinhaad 11,728]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

1 hour ago, Yamanashi said:

That's the only reason an Oyakata would risk sending out someone who should be healing -- to get that win and stay off the BG.

Yeah, I remember some real horror examples like Baraki (the retired one, might have been confused with Bariki) where they could barely walk and still came off with the win. It will be a sad day for people in peril of going banzuke-gai when HZ finally retires.

Just to clarify, a win is not needed to remain on the banzuke, just a contested bout. See the last few years of Kitasatsuma's career.

A fusenpai however doesn't save you, so from this basho Haruku and Sawaisamu will fall off the banzuke (assuming they aren't retiring).