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Excuse the mild necromancy on my part, but does anyone know when the last August honbasho day before this past day 14 was? 

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55 minutes ago, Atenzan said:

Excuse the mild necromancy on my part, but does anyone know when the last August honbasho day before this past day 14 was? 

Some time ago I started working on a sort of ‘Honbasho evolution’ graphic which shows by year how many basho there were, how many days and what months those days fell in (e.g. It might show a basho had 14 days in September and one in October). There is also some additional data about number of rikishi on the banzuke. I never finished it but I have the raw data at home. I’ll look for it later (at the office now).

I should return to it actually as 2020 has thrown up some interesting deviations from the familiar schedule we’ve had since the six-basho era came into being.

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5 hours ago, Atenzan said:

Excuse the mild necromancy on my part, but does anyone know when the last August honbasho day before this past day 14 was? 

According to sumodb, never.

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11 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

According to sumodb, never.

I had a feeling it was never, but how did you search for it out of interest? 

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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:
2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

According to sumodb, never.

I had a feeling it was never, but how did you search for it out of interest? 

Never means, this basho didn't happen either. I had problems with my pic routine to access the results, because I count basho days and use the current month, but also the August days of this basho are in July for the DB.

And the DB has no dates for really old basho. We can only say that no basho started in August.

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1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Never means, this basho didn't happen either. I had problems with my pic routine to access the results, because I count basho days and use the current month, but also the August days of this basho are in July for the DB.

And the DB has no dates for really old basho. We can only say that no basho started in August.

Last instance of a honbasho day on a even-numbered month was Nagoya 1965, when the basho started in late June.

Day 14 ended a 4929 streak of hon-basho days taking place on odd-numbered months (day 5 Nagoya 1965 - day 14 July basho 2020) (4914 if you remove Natsu 2011 as not technically a hon-basho)

At least we can say that no hon-basho day took place in August since 1909

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1 hour ago, Nantonoyama said:

At least we can say that no hon-basho day took place in August since 1909

The only old basho in July was 1863, a delayed Haru Edo basho, listed as Nagoya basho in the DB, starting on the 17th, 10 days of good weather. http://sumo360.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/番付表(寛文~慶應/江戸時代)

With the rainy season ending around the 20th in that region, we can safely assume that the basho ended in July

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30 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

The only old basho in July was 1863

There was of course also this extra Aki basho in 1822, but that is rather classified as a hanazumo 花相撲 basho, same 10 days of good weather as all other old basho - and it started on July 21st: good chance that it lasted till August, day 2 the 2nd half was canceled due to rain http://sirosita.web.fc2.com/1822-07.html

On 24/06/2020 at 17:56, Akinomaki said:

the Bavarian state library has several compilations together, 9 of 12 banzuke each with torikumi, all banzuke from 1801 till 1853, including 3 Natsu basho banzuke not in the DB (nor in wikipedia) - for Bunsei 4 June, 5 July and 8 May/June 3.

On 01/07/2020 at 17:56, Akinomaki said:

Bunsei 5 was actually an Aki basho - the torikumi pages list those season basho names, which are not on the banzuke itself. 

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5 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

And the DB has no dates for really old basho. We can only say that no basho started in August.

What I actually looked at was the end date of each basho.

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2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

What I actually looked at was the end date of each basho.

How do you query it? You can look for that on each banzuke page or result page of day 15, but not with a query.

The really old basho all start and end on January 1, 1 in the DB.

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1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

You can look for that on each banzuke page or result page of day 15, but not with a query.

No need to go to day 15, the dates are written at each banzuke page. And you're right - no way to query that via interface.

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A weird one but:

A basho of thirds? The number of maegashira taking a 10-5 or 5-10 record was 2 more than any other basho.

Including Juryo rikishi, it is still the leader, having 1 more than any other basho.

2nd place was in the 50s, which had 19 more maegashira+juryo on the banzuke than now.

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Takeoka's Jonidan yusho must have come as a surprise for most as he is only the 4th in almost 50 years to win the division after a very mediocre Jonokuchi debut with 4 wins in the previous basho.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&amp;form1_rank=jk&amp;form1_wins=<5&amp;form1_jk=on&amp;form1_debutd=on&amp;form2_y=on&amp;form2_jd=on

Yokozuna Wakanohana I is also part of this select group.

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2 hours ago, Gooner said:

Takeoka's Jonidan yusho must have come as a surprise for most as he is only the 4th in almost 50 years to win the division after a very mediocre Jonokuchi debut with 4 wins in the previous basho.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&amp;form1_wins=&lt;5&amp;form1_jk=on&amp;form1_debutd=on&amp;form2_y=on&amp;form2_jd=on&amp;form2_debutd=on

Yokozuna Wakanohana I is also part of this select group.

And have a look at his kimarite.

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3 hours ago, Benihana said:

And have a look at his kimarite.

A one-man Gino-sho!

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One of the new promotions means there have now been sekitori called 錦富士 and 富士錦

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13 hours ago, John Gunning said:

One of the new promotions means there have now been sekitori called 錦富士 and 富士錦

Nishikifuji and Fujinishiki, nice one.

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If we divide the yokozuna by their rope style and rank them by Yusho.

we get Unryu style: 

Taiho, Chiyonofuji, Asashoryu, Kitanoumi, Takanohana....

now, try filling in the blanks for Shiranui

Hakuho, ... , ... , ... , ...

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47 minutes ago, rhyen said:
 

If we divide the yokozuna by their rope style and rank them by Yusho.

we get Unryu style: 

Taiho, Chiyonofuji, Asashoryu, Kitanoumi, Takanohana....

now, try filling in the blanks for Shiranui

Hakuho, ... , ... , ... , ...

Harumafuji, Haguroyama, Tamanoumi, Kotozakura, Wakanohana?

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On ‎07‎/‎09‎/‎2020 at 13:28, rhyen said:
 

If we divide the yokozuna by their rope style and rank them by Yusho.

we get Unryu style: 

Taiho, Chiyonofuji, Asashoryu, Kitanoumi, Takanohana....

now, try filling in the blanks for Shiranui

Hakuho, ... , ... , ... , ...

We're doing top 5 only? I think it's Tachiyama, Harumafuji, Haguroyama, Tamanoumi.

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Assuming I did this query right, the last time before this coming Sunday where a M1 fought a Sekiwake on Day 1 was 1999.

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11 hours ago, Sakura said:

Assuming I did this query right, the last time before this coming Sunday where a M1 fought a Sekiwake on Day 1 was 1999.

Even more intriguing that the last two instances featured the same contenders.

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22 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Even more intriguing that the last two instances featured the same contenders.

Looking at the torikumi for '98--they don't make it like that anymore.  

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5 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

Looking at the torikumi for '98--they don't make it like that anymore.

Mostly due to the dreaded Futagoyama factor.

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After the nakabi of this Aki 2020, there is no makuuchi rikishi at 8-0 or 7-1.

According to the database, in the 15-days era, it is only the third time it happens, after

- Nagoya 1975, 4 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kongo eventually gets his only yusho with 13-2 (no kettei-sen)

- Nagoya 2003, 10 rikishi tie at 6-2, Kaio eventually gets the yusho with 12-3 (no kettei-sen)

This time, 9 rikishi tie for the lead.

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