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13 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

I haven't seen this topic come up (maybe missed it!):  if Kotoshogiku hangs on and Takayasu crumbles in Hatsu, there will be three ex-Ozekis in Makuuchi for Haru 2020.  Is that the most ever?  If not, when were there more of them ? (I'm assuming even a Juryo yusho won't put Terunofuji up there, too.)

Isn't Takayasu already an ex-ozeki right now? No matter how much the Tachiai folks are trying to make "ozekiwake" a thing, it isn't actually one.

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33 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Isn't Takayasu already an ex-ozeki right now? No matter how much the Tachiai folks are trying to make "ozekiwake" a thing, it isn't actually one.

Takayasu is, sur sure, an ex-ozeki. The Hatsu 2020 situation is no different from the Nagoya 1976, is which Mienoumi succeded in getting the 10 wins for immediate promotion. As he ended up yokozuna, I hope the same path for Takayasu.

As for having 4 ex-ozeki, Terunofuji could be promoted with 13, might with 14 and will be with 15 wins this Hatsu, so the scenario is not impossible

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In any case, there were also three ex-ozeki in makuuchi all the way through from Kyushu 2001 to Natsu 2004 with Dejima, Miyabiyama and Takanonami, until the latter retired. And shortly after twice more as well (Nagoya 2004, Hatsu 2005) when Tochiazuma's ozeki tenure was interrupted.

Outside of that era and the aforementioned Nagoya 1976 case, there were also Hatsu and Haru 1959 with freshly demoted Matsunobori, Mitsuneyama (lost the rank nearly four years prior), and about-to-intai Ouchiyama. I think that's the lot for the modern era.

I'd say the upcoming basho is special already simply for having four ex-ozeki active anywhere, even if it's not makuuchi.

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Last tournament Azumaryu, Kaisei, Ikioi and Kiribayama took part in a 4 way playoff for the juryo yusho, and all four earned promotion to makuuchi next tournament. If I've done my query right this is only the third time this has happened  and the first since 1978. (There have been 16 tournaments  in which four or more rikishi have taken part in a juryo yusho playoff.)

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11 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Last tournament Azumaryu, Kaisei, Ikioi and Kiribayama took part in a 4 way playoff for the juryo yusho, and all four earned promotion to makuuchi next tournament. If I've done my query right this is only the third time this has happened  and the first since 1978. (There have been 16 tournaments  in which four or more rikishi have taken part in a juryo yusho playoff.)

Although the other two basho had more than 4 playoff participants in total, so it's in fact the largest playoff from which everybody has got promoted. :-)

(I like the 1958.05 7-way which saw none of them in makuuchi afterwards.)

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Hatsu 2020 is only the fourth basho of the 6-basho era to feature no bouts between ozeki (incl. yokozuna)

It happened before in:

Natsu 1992 (1Y intai, 1O early kyujo, only Konishiki went through senshuraku, yusho sekiwake Akebono)
Kyushu 1992 (no Y, 2O early kyujo, only Akebono went through senshuraku, yusho ozeki Akebono)
Aki 2001 (1Y and 3O early kyujo, only stablemates Musashimaru and Musoyama went through senshuraku, yusho M2 Kotomitsuki)

So Hatsu 2020 is unique in the sense that two ozeki made it to day 15 whilst not being stablemates, and yet no torikumi was scheduled between them

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With Goeido´s departure from rikishi career, the 2006 Aki basho has become the most recent tournament in which all the divisional Yusho and Sansho prizes were awarded to already retired rikishi. Goeido was the last standing active rikishi, winning the makushita yusho in this tourney (Asashoryu in Makuuchi, Takanowaka in Juryo, Wakamifuji in Sandanme, Akiyutaka in Jonidan and Satsumariki in Jonokuchi). The Sansho recipients were Kisenosato (Shukun-sho), Harumafuji (Kanto-sho) and Aminishiki (Gino-sho)

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If Goeido kept his career for Haru 2020, there could have been equalized the modern era record (since 1958) for most Makuuchi Yusho winners on the banzuke. It is set on 11 by the crowd from Nagoya and Aki 2000 (Kotonishiki, Takanohana II, Akebono, Mitoizumi, Musashimaru, Takanonami, Chiyotaikai, Dejima, Musoyama, Takatoriki, Kaio). With Tokushoryu´s Yusho and Goeido´s intai we will stay on 10. It is anybody´s guess whether the current "change of guards era" will evolve firstly into intai of somebody else from the current crop of Makuuchi Yusho winners (Hakuho, Kakuryu, Terunofuji, Kotoshogiku, Tochinoshin, Mitakeumi,Takakeisho,Tamawashi, Asanoyama, Tokushoryu) or into Yusho for a new name.

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On 28/12/2019 at 15:40, Yamanashi said:

I haven't seen this topic come up (maybe missed it!):  if Kotoshogiku hangs on and Takayasu crumbles in Hatsu, there will be three ex-Ozekis in Makuuchi for Haru 2020.  Is that the most ever?  If not, when were there more of them ? (I'm assuming even a Juryo yusho won't put Terunofuji up there, too.)

I guess we're lucky that Takakeisho hung on...

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What about Tochinoshin? He is an ex-Ozeki too. So we already had three ex-Ozeki in Makuuchi: Kotoshogiku, Tochinoshin and Takayasu. If Goeido had hung on and Terunofuji gets the nod, and Kotoshogiku isn't demoted to Juryo, there would be five! Surely that would be a record.

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Just saying this, but the average yokozuna gets their first yusho in their 24th makuuchi honbasho, and Tokushoryu's 24th makuuchi basho was this January,  soooo....

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2 hours ago, sahaven111 said:

Just saying this, but the average yokozuna gets their first yusho in their 24th makuuchi honbasho, and Tokushoryu's 24th makuuchi basho was this January,  soooo....

You should have included this in "Ridiculous Predictions Hatsu 2020" and now you'd be a god!

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On 31/01/2020 at 19:03, Yamanashi said:

You should have included this in "Ridiculous Predictions Hatsu 2020" and now you'd be a god!

I did enter tokushoryu for yusho prediction on a sumo game as a joke, because i didn't know if hakuho would be kyujo, i just thought "ah what the hell, just pick the lowest guy on the banzuke", but i couldn't submit my picks due to bad internet. Had i actually felt it coming, then i would be a god.

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On 08/02/2020 at 14:56, Asashosakari said:

Hatsu 2020 was the first modern-era basho with 4 single-kanji sekitori shikona: Query

If only Sakigake wasn't such a journeyman...

Too bad Shiba blew his promotion chance, but I guess he would have acquired a proper shikona anyway.

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Pre 1909 yusho winners: 1760s Edition

October 1761: M2w Todagawa (7-1)

March 1762: O1e Arataki (5-0)(1st)

April 1763: S1e Arataki (6-0)(2nd)

October 1763: M2w Tomozuna (6-1)(1st)

March 1764: K1w Tomozuna (6-1)(2nd)

October 1764: M4e Oshiogawa (6-1)

March 1765: K1e Izumigawa (7-0)(1st)

October 1765: M1e Hiregatake (6-2)

March 1766: K1e Izumigawa (5-0)(2nd)

October 1766: K1w Koshinoumi (6-0)(1st)

March 1767: S1e Iwamigata (7-1)

October 1767: K1e Izumigawa (7-0)(3rd)

September 1768 - S1w Sekinoto (5-0)

November 1768 - M30w? Tomozuna (6-0)(3rd)

April 1769 - M1e Yukimiyama (6-0)

October 1769 - M1w Koshinoumi (7-1)(2nd)

 

To be continued...

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This is the first basho where Hakuhou has enjoyed the presence of a fellow Miyagino-beya rikishi in the top 16. 

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30 minutes ago, Atenzan said:

This is the first basho where Hakuhou has enjoyed the presence of a fellow Miyagino-beya rikishi in the top 16. 

Thanks.  I was wondering if that was true--Miyagino-beya got awful lucky with their 15 year old Mongolian.

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2 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

Thanks.  I was wondering if that was true--Miyagino-beya got awful lucky with their 15 year old Mongolian.

Here's every instance of Miyagino-beya rikishi in makuuchi since 2004. Whole lot of Hakuhou and slim pickings other than him. Judging from the fact that Ishiura and Enhou are both Hakuhou's uchi-deshi (is Ishiura? I think so but I'm not sure, actually...), one would be tempted to give a pretty dismal rating to the oyakata's development skills. 

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35 minutes ago, Atenzan said:

Here's every instance of Miyagino-beya rikishi in makuuchi since 2004. Whole lot of Hakuhou and slim pickings other than him. Judging from the fact that Ishiura and Enhou are both Hakuhou's uchi-deshi (is Ishiura? I think so but I'm not sure, actually...), one would be tempted to give a pretty dismal rating to the oyakata's development skills. 

http://heyaaz.nagioff.com/2020/2020.html 

(Click on "Miyagino Beya" along the left side).

Here is a picture of all the Rikishi in Miyagino Beya with their current ranking.  It also shows other people attached to this Heya.  When I visited Miyagino Beya during the Aki Basho in 2014, I sat right next to Oyakata Seiji (the white-haired man) and he rarely uttered a word the whole time I was there, as I recall.  All of the Rikishi were training but the Oyakata didn't seem to interact with them.  At that time, there were no Rikishi in Makuuchi or Juryo other than Hakuho.  Ishiura was there but he was in Makushita, and of course Enho wasn't in the picture then.  *************  An interesting thing about the above database is that you can click on the photo of anyone and you will get another screen showing a photo of them every year from the year they started!!  Cool!  Many thanks to the person who set up this database. ****************

 

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Excuse the mild necromancy on my part, but does anyone know when the last August honbasho day before this past day 14 was? 

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55 minutes ago, Atenzan said:

Excuse the mild necromancy on my part, but does anyone know when the last August honbasho day before this past day 14 was? 

Some time ago I started working on a sort of ‘Honbasho evolution’ graphic which shows by year how many basho there were, how many days and what months those days fell in (e.g. It might show a basho had 14 days in September and one in October). There is also some additional data about number of rikishi on the banzuke. I never finished it but I have the raw data at home. I’ll look for it later (at the office now).

I should return to it actually as 2020 has thrown up some interesting deviations from the familiar schedule we’ve had since the six-basho era came into being.

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5 hours ago, Atenzan said:

Excuse the mild necromancy on my part, but does anyone know when the last August honbasho day before this past day 14 was? 

According to sumodb, never.

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11 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

According to sumodb, never.

I had a feeling it was never, but how did you search for it out of interest? 

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