Asashosakari 18,650 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) Sasshunada-Hakuryu in 1985 is the only matchup to have taken place in juryo in all six basho of a calendar year and be won by the same rikishi all six times. (Inspired by Tobizaru possibly going for 5-0 against Sokokurai in a few minutes. Oddly enough Sokokurai is at the center of these for 2019 - he's 4-0 against Hidenoumi right now, and was 4-0 against Gagamaru before losing to him in their 5th encounter on Day 3.) Edited September 13, 2019 by Asashosakari 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted September 16, 2019 I didn't want to debase the news thread with profane trivia talk, so it goes in here: Would Kakuryu be the first modern era yokozuna to be forced into a heya change? The only other one (not counting mere name changes) that I've been able to find was Futabayama, and he did so willingly to set up his own place. Not sure if I've overlooked something though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 18, 2019 Sd75e Suzuki is two wins away from becoming the first rikishi to have successive records of 4-3, 5-2, 6-1, 7-0. He is the 160th toriteki to be a zensho away from achieving this, and all his predecessors have failed. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted September 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Atenzan said: Sd75e Suzuki is two wins away from becoming the first rikishi to have successive records of 4-3, 5-2, 6-1, 7-0. He is the 160th toriteki to be a zensho away from achieving this, and all his predecessors have failed. Lost to Sadanohikari today. Sic transit gloria mundi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 806 Posted September 18, 2019 On 16/09/2019 at 18:20, Asashosakari said: I didn't want to debase the news thread with profane trivia talk, so it goes in here: Would Kakuryu be the first modern era yokozuna to be forced into a heya change? The only other one (not counting mere name changes) that I've been able to find was Futabayama, and he did so willingly to set up his own place. Not sure if I've overlooked something though. I think he would be, yes. Kitanofuji moved from Dewanoumi to Kokonoe when he was ozeki but that was three years before his promotion to yokozuna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted September 18, 2019 All toriteki matchups between rikishi with sanyaku experience: 1979.09.09 Ms8w (S) Kotokaze* [4-0] Ms1w (K) Oshio 1987.05.08 Ms3e (K) Oshio [3-0] Ms8e (S) Hoo* 1989.07.05 Ms8e (S) Tochiakagi* [1-1] Ms6w (S) Hoo 1989.09.11 Ms3e (S) Tochiakagi* [1-4] Ms10e (S) Hoo 2017.11.04 Ms14e (K) Jokoryu* [1-0] Ms13w (S) Toyonoshima 2019.09.11 Ms27e (O) Terunofuji* [5-0] Ms7w (K) Chiyootori [ ] = records before match * = winner 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,497 Posted September 18, 2019 Tamawashi is all time leader in fusensho - 12 in makuuchi, 13 in all. Juryo Kaisei is now overall joint no 2. with 11, on day 8 he pulled even with Dewanishiki (who had them all in makuuchi). http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/201909160000088.html the article doesn't not mentioned if the data are maybe only for sekitori default wins, so we can assume that it is really overall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,721 Posted September 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Akinomaki said: the article doesn't not mentioned if the data are maybe only for sekitori default wins, so we can assume that it is really overall Which complies with the Doitsubase: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi1&having=8&kimarite=74&onlyw1=on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted September 19, 2019 I should make some deliberate errors in the database, then I'd know if the newspapers get the stats from it. 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Enho has never lost to a rikishi whose highest rank is less than Juryo -- except for Murata (Ms1), who just won the Jonokuchi Yusho after six bashos out of action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yamanashi said: Enho has never lost to a rikishi whose highest rank is less than Juryo -- except for Murata (Ms1), who just won the Jonokuchi Yusho after six bashos out of action. That seems both a bit obfuscated (Takanofuji and Churanoumi hadn't been sekitori yet when they beat him) and not very unusual for those who go through the toriteki ranks quickly. Checking the first guy that came to mind, Tochiozan also had only one loss on the way up against a rikishi who was never sekitori before or after. Edit: Tokitenku also had just one, and he even had a makekoshi on the way up. Edited September 22, 2019 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) Most consecutive makuuchi yusho won by all different rikishi: 8 1990.11 - 1992.01 (Y Chiyonofuji, O Kirishima, Y Hokutoumi, Y Asahifuji, M13 Kotofuji, M5 Kotonishiki, O Konishiki, M2 Takahanada)7 / 7 1956.05 - 1958.01 (O Wakanohana, Y Kagamisato, Y Chiyonoyama, S Asashio, K Annenyama, Y Tochinishiki, M14 Tamanoumi, O Wakanohana)6 1928.01 - 1929.03 (O Hitachiiwa, O Noshirogata, Y Tsunenohana, Y Miyagiyama, S Tamanishiki, O Toyokuni)6 1953.01 - 1954.03 (O Kagamisato, O Tochinishiki, M6 Tokitsuyama, Y Azumafuji, O Yoshibayama, O Mitsuneyama)6 1972.01 - 1972.11 (M5 Tochiazuma, S Hasegawa, S Wajima, M4 Takamiyama, Y Kitanofuji, O Kotozakura)6+ 2018.11 - 2019.09+ (K Takakeisho, S Tamawashi, Y Hakuho, M8 Asanoyama, Y Kakuryu, S Mitakeumi) Edited September 22, 2019 by Asashosakari 6 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,671 Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Asashosakari said: That seems both a bit obfuscated (Takanofuji and Churanoumi hadn't been sekitori yet when they beat him) and not very unusual for those who go through the toriteki ranks quickly. Checking the first guy that came to mind, Tochiozan also had only one loss on the way up against a rikishi who was never sekitori before or after. Edit: Tokitenku also had just one, and he even had a makekoshi on the way up. What made me think this worthy of trivia (vs. Greatest Feats of Sumo!!) is the timeliness of the Murata connection. Incidentally, Jokoryu lost to a (non-sekitori HR) 39 basho after his Hatsu Dohyu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) A new all-time* record has been set for the size of a sanyaku with rikishi from all different stables. 1932.02 71932.03 71933.01 71934.01 7 (+2 > 9)1968.11 91992.01 81993.01 82004.01 92004.07 9 (+3 > 12)2005.01 8 (+2 > 10)2005.03 8 (+2 > 10)2005.05 8 (+8 > 16)2010.09 9 (+1 > 10)2014.05 92014.11 102019.03 9 (+2 > 11)2019.07 10 (+2 > 12)2019.09 9 (+1 > 10)2019.11 11 The numbers in brackets (if present) indicate how many of the highest-ranked maegashira were also from different stables, so the runaway record holder for that extended stat remains 2005.05 with the top 16 rikishi in total. * modern era since 1927, to be exact. Edited November 8, 2019 by Asashosakari 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted November 13, 2019 On 08/11/2019 at 07:25, Asashosakari said: A new all-time* record has been set for the size of a sanyaku with rikishi from all different stables. 1932.02 71932.03 71933.01 71934.01 7 (+2 > 9)1968.11 91992.01 81993.01 82004.01 92004.07 9 (+3 > 12)2005.01 8 (+2 > 10)2005.03 8 (+2 > 10)2005.05 8 (+8 > 16)2010.09 9 (+1 > 10)2014.05 92014.11 102019.03 9 (+2 > 11)2019.07 10 (+2 > 12)2019.09 9 (+1 > 10)2019.11 11 The numbers in brackets (if present) indicate how many of the highest-ranked maegashira were also from different stables, so the runaway record holder for that extended stat remains 2005.05 with the top 16 rikishi in total. * modern era since 1927, to be exact. Riffing off this, Sadogatake-beya had the highest-ranked non-heyagashira in all but two basho from 2005.01 (after Musouyama retired) until 2014.03 (when Kotooushuu retired). It was always Kotooushuu or Kotoshougiku. The two exceptions are the (above-linked) 2010.09 and the Kyushu that followed it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 806 Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) Wakatakakage is the first makuuchi rikishi since Kitanoumi in 1983 to have to withdraw on Day 5 having previously been undefeated: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&day=5&m=on&kimarite=74&wins1=4&winsopt1=1&onlyl1=on This got me thinking, who has had even longer winning streaks ended in this unfortunate way? Day 6: Natsu 2005 Kaio pulled out having been 5-0. Before him, Kashiwado had been 5-0 when he pulled out on Day 6 of Haru 1963. Day 7: Haguroyama withdrew from Natsu 1952 on 6-0 - interestingly he returned to the tournament later and won 1 more bout, ending up on 7-3-5 (must be very rare for a Yokozuna to re-enter a tournament; I can only think of Takanohana in his retirement basho). Tamanishiki also withdrew on 6-0 in Hatsu 1937. Day 12: The "glass Yokozuna" Kashiwado again - pulled out on 11-0 in Natsu 1964. Day 13: Wakanohana had been 12-0 at Aki 1956 but pulled out with a fever. Attempted to re-enter on Day 15 but withdrew again before his scheduled match so actually finished 12-2-1. Day 15: The ultimate record - Chiyonofuji couldn't fight on the final day of Haru 1989 due to a shoulder dislocation having gone 14-0. Of course this one wasn't so bad for him as he won the tournament anyway. Edited November 15, 2019 by ryafuji 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
code_number3 694 Posted November 15, 2019 10 hours ago, ryafuji said: Day 15: The ultimate record - Chiyonofuji couldn't fight on the final day due to a shoulder dislocation having gone 14-0. Of course this one wasn't so bad for him as he won the tournament anyway. Which basho was that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chishafuwaku 469 Posted November 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, code_number3 said: Which basho was that? http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=1354&b=198903 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 806 Posted November 15, 2019 10 hours ago, code_number3 said: Which basho was that? Sorry, accidental omission - as chishafuwaka says, March 1989. Only the second time a rikishi has ever withdrawn and still managed to win the yusho - the first was Wajima in Kyushu 1973. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakura 1,460 Posted November 21, 2019 Nishikigi's all-MK all-Makuuchi calendar year achievement in company with 5* others. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) Number of rikishi co-leading the juryo division prior to Day 15 (15-day era since 1949.05, 403 tournaments to date), and eventual outcome. 8 leaders (1) 1998.05, 9-5 (=> 3x 10-5) 7 leaders (1) 1962.07, 10-4 (=> 4x 11-4) 36 rikishi in juryo 6 leaders (7) 1974.11, 9-5 (=> 4x 10-5)1988.07, 9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)1989.09, 9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)1999.07, 9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)2006.05, 9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)2017.03, 9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)2019.11, 10-4 (=> ?) 5 leaders (2) 1983.11, 10-4 (=> 3x 11-4)1996.01, 9-5 (=> 2x 10-5) 4 leaders (9) 1949.05, 10-4 (=> 1x 11-4)1956.01, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4) 45 rikishi in juryo1978.01, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4)1982.05, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4)1986.11, 9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)1992.07, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4)1995.01, 10-4 (=> 3x 11-4)1995.07, 9-5 (=> 1x 10-5)1997.11, 9-5 (=> 2x 10-5) 3 leaders (24) 3 Day 15 winners (3) 2 Day 15 winners (13) 1 Day 15 winner (6) no Day 15 winner (2) 8-way tie 2001.07 7-way tie 1958.05 48 rikishi in juryo 2 leaders (91) 2 Day 15 winners (28) 1 Day 15 winner (54) no Day 15 winner (9) 6-way tie 1972.09 4-way tie 1955.01, 1956.05, 1979.09 3-way tie 1949.10, 1980.05 2-way tie 1954.09, 1976.09, 1987.01 1 leader (268) Yusho was decided; champion won on Day 15 (58) Yusho was decided, champion lost on Day 15 (43) Yusho was undecided, leader won on Day 15 (106) Yusho was undecided, leader lost on Day 15 but won yusho outright anyway (17) Yusho was undecided, leader lost on Day 15 and fell into tie (44) 5-way tie 1978.07, 1989.05 (previous leader won) 4-way tie 1991.11, 2010.11, 2014.05, 2017.09 3-way tie (12, previous leader won 4 times) 2-way tie (26, previous leader won 11 times) Bonus trivia: 1994.09 was the only basho in which the Day 14 lead consisted of a single 9-5 rikishi. Edited November 23, 2019 by Asashosakari 4 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted November 23, 2019 This isn't some one-hour sumoDB deep diving expedition, but I feel the need to point it out. Hakuhou will have 43 makuuchi yushos tomorrow. Asashouryuu, Harumafuji, Kakuryuu and Kisenosato combined have 42. Hakuhou alone has won more than all four yokozuna he has co-reigned with combined, the undisputed king of the 2000s among them. That's just insane. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,650 Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Subject to banzuke availability (back to 1934), the hopefully complete list of sekitori who fell to sandanme or below and made it back to juryo. Sorted by highest rank achieved before the fall. (The Kyokai sorts them by lowest rank reached during the fall when related info appears in their banzuke topics, but I'm going for a different angle here.) Makuuchi ranks obtained after the fall in red, still active rikishi marked with *. Shikona HiRk Pre LowRk HiRk PostTerunofuji Ozeki Jd48w Juryo*Chiyootori Komusubi Sd3e Juryo*Jokoryu Komusubi Sd23w J12w* Tosayutaka M1e Sd84w M16wKinoarashi M2e Sd25e M8eIwatora M7e Sd9e J6eChiyonokuni M8e Sd28w M1e*Tamarikido M8e Sd80w J4wMatsumaeyama M9e Sd29e J7eHamanishiki M11e Sd68w J9eWakatsutomu M12e Sd1e J5wDaikiho M16w Sd65w J4w Amuru J3e Jd44e M5eTerunishiki J4w Sd17e J11wHoshitango J5w Sd6e J3wGokenzan J8e Sd5e J6eWakatenro J8w Jd110w J2wMaedayama J9w Sd5w YokozunaTochisakae J12e Sd1e M1wHokutokuni J12e Bg J6eSeionada J12w Sd55w J9wRyuden J12w Jk17w Komusubi*Kotobeppu J12w Jk39w M1eFuruichi J13e Sd3e J12eGanyu J13e Sd3w M1wMyogiryu J14e Sd94w Sekiwake*Wakahikari J18e Sd10w J11e Edited November 27, 2019 by Asashosakari 3 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,671 Posted December 28, 2019 I haven't seen this topic come up (maybe missed it!): if Kotoshogiku hangs on and Takayasu crumbles in Hatsu, there will be three ex-Ozekis in Makuuchi for Haru 2020. Is that the most ever? If not, when were there more of them ? (I'm assuming even a Juryo yusho won't put Terunofuji up there, too.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 634 Posted December 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Yamanashi said: Is that the most ever? There were also three on the Nagoya 1976 banzuke (Mienoumi, Kaiketsu & Daiju). Not sure if there have ever.been more. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites