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Sasshunada-Hakuryu in 1985 is the only matchup to have taken place in juryo in all six basho of a calendar year and be won by the same rikishi all six times.


(Inspired by Tobizaru possibly going for 5-0 against Sokokurai in a few minutes. Oddly enough Sokokurai is at the center of these for 2019 - he's 4-0 against Hidenoumi right now, and was 4-0 against Gagamaru before losing to him in their 5th encounter on Day 3.)

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I didn't want to debase the news thread with profane trivia talk, so it goes in here: Would Kakuryu be the first modern era yokozuna to be forced into a heya change? The only other one (not counting mere name changes) that I've been able to find was Futabayama, and he did so willingly to set up his own place. Not sure if I've overlooked something though.

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5 hours ago, Atenzan said:

Sd75e Suzuki is two wins away from becoming the first rikishi to have successive records of 4-3, 5-2, 6-1, 7-0.

He is the 160th toriteki to be a zensho away from achieving this, and all his predecessors have failed

Lost to Sadanohikari today. Sic transit gloria mundi. 

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On ‎16‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 18:20, Asashosakari said:

I didn't want to debase the news thread with profane trivia talk, so it goes in here: Would Kakuryu be the first modern era yokozuna to be forced into a heya change? The only other one (not counting mere name changes) that I've been able to find was Futabayama, and he did so willingly to set up his own place. Not sure if I've overlooked something though.

I think he would be, yes. Kitanofuji moved from Dewanoumi to Kokonoe when he was ozeki but that was three years before his promotion to yokozuna.

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All toriteki matchups between rikishi with sanyaku experience:

1979.09.09 Ms8w (S) Kotokaze* [4-0] Ms1w (K) Oshio
1987.05.08 Ms3e (K) Oshio [3-0] Ms8e (S) Hoo*
1989.07.05 Ms8e (S) Tochiakagi* [1-1] Ms6w (S) Hoo
1989.09.11 Ms3e (S) Tochiakagi* [1-4] Ms10e (S) Hoo
2017.11.04 Ms14e (K) Jokoryu* [1-0] Ms13w (S) Toyonoshima
2019.09.11 Ms27e (O) Terunofuji* [5-0] Ms7w (K) Chiyootori

[ ] = records before match
* = winner

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Tamawashi is all time leader in fusensho - 12 in makuuchi, 13 in all. Juryo Kaisei is now overall joint no 2. with  11, on day 8 he pulled even with Dewanishiki (who had them all in makuuchi). http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/201909160000088.html

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the article doesn't not mentioned if the data are maybe only for sekitori default wins, so we can assume that it is really overall

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9 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

the article doesn't not mentioned if the data are maybe only for sekitori default wins, so we can assume that it is really overall

Which complies with the Doitsubase: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi1&having=8&kimarite=74&onlyw1=on

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I should make some deliberate errors in the database, then I'd know if the newspapers get the stats from it. :-D

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Enho has never lost to a rikishi whose highest rank is less than Juryo -- except for Murata (Ms1), who just won the Jonokuchi Yusho after six bashos out of action.

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1 hour ago, Yamanashi said:

Enho has never lost to a rikishi whose highest rank is less than Juryo -- except for Murata (Ms1), who just won the Jonokuchi Yusho after six bashos out of action.

That seems both a bit obfuscated (Takanofuji and Churanoumi hadn't been sekitori yet when they beat him) and not very unusual for those who go through the toriteki ranks quickly. Checking the first guy that came to mind, Tochiozan also had only one loss on the way up against a rikishi who was never sekitori before or after.

Edit: Tokitenku also had just one, and he even had a makekoshi on the way up.

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Most consecutive makuuchi yusho won by all different rikishi:

8 1990.11 - 1992.01 (Y Chiyonofuji, O Kirishima, Y Hokutoumi, Y Asahifuji, M13 Kotofuji, M5 Kotonishiki, O Konishiki, M2 Takahanada)

7 / 7 1956.05 - 1958.01 (O Wakanohana, Y Kagamisato, Y Chiyonoyama, S Asashio, K Annenyama, Y Tochinishiki, M14 Tamanoumi, O Wakanohana)

6 1928.01 - 1929.03 (O Hitachiiwa, O Noshirogata, Y Tsunenohana, Y Miyagiyama, S Tamanishiki, O Toyokuni)
6 1953.01 - 1954.03 (O Kagamisato, O Tochinishiki, M6 Tokitsuyama, Y Azumafuji, O Yoshibayama, O Mitsuneyama)
6 1972.01 - 1972.11 (M5 Tochiazuma, S Hasegawa, S Wajima, M4 Takamiyama, Y Kitanofuji, O Kotozakura)
6+ 2018.11 - 2019.09+ (K Takakeisho, S Tamawashi, Y Hakuho, M8 Asanoyama, Y Kakuryu, S Mitakeumi)

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2 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

That seems both a bit obfuscated (Takanofuji and Churanoumi hadn't been sekitori yet when they beat him) and not very unusual for those who go through the toriteki ranks quickly. Checking the first guy that came to mind, Tochiozan also had only one loss on the way up against a rikishi who was never sekitori before or after.

Edit: Tokitenku also had just one, and he even had a makekoshi on the way up.

What made me think this worthy of trivia (vs. Greatest Feats of Sumo!!) is the timeliness of the Murata connection.

Incidentally, Jokoryu lost to a (non-sekitori HR) 39 basho after his Hatsu Dohyu.

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A new all-time* record has been set for the size of a sanyaku with rikishi from all different stables.

1932.02   7
1932.03   7
1933.01   7
1934.01   7                     (+2 >  9)
1968.11           9
1992.01       8
1993.01       8
2004.01           9
2004.07           9             (+3 > 12)
2005.01       8                 (+2 > 10)
2005.03       8                 (+2 > 10)
2005.05       8                 (+8 > 16)
2010.09           9             (+1 > 10)
2014.05           9
2014.11               10
2019.03           9             (+2 > 11)
2019.07               10        (+2 > 12)
2019.09           9             (+1 > 10)
2019.11                    11

The numbers in brackets (if present) indicate how many of the highest-ranked maegashira were also from different stables, so the runaway record holder for that extended stat remains 2005.05 with the top 16 rikishi in total.

* modern era since 1927, to be exact.

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On 08/11/2019 at 07:25, Asashosakari said:

A new all-time* record has been set for the size of a sanyaku with rikishi from all different stables.

1932.02   7
1932.03   7
1933.01   7
1934.01   7                     (+2 >  9)
1968.11           9
1992.01       8
1993.01       8
2004.01           9
2004.07           9             (+3 > 12)
2005.01       8                 (+2 > 10)
2005.03       8                 (+2 > 10)
2005.05       8                 (+8 > 16)
2010.09           9             (+1 > 10)
2014.05           9
2014.11               10
2019.03           9             (+2 > 11)
2019.07               10        (+2 > 12)
2019.09           9             (+1 > 10)
2019.11                    11

The numbers in brackets (if present) indicate how many of the highest-ranked maegashira were also from different stables, so the runaway record holder for that extended stat remains 2005.05 with the top 16 rikishi in total.

* modern era since 1927, to be exact.

Riffing off this, Sadogatake-beya had the highest-ranked non-heyagashira in all but two basho from 2005.01 (after Musouyama retired) until 2014.03 (when Kotooushuu retired). It was always Kotooushuu or Kotoshougiku. The two exceptions are the (above-linked) 2010.09 and the Kyushu that followed it. 

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Wakatakakage is the first makuuchi rikishi since Kitanoumi in 1983 to have to withdraw on Day 5 having previously been undefeated:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&day=5&m=on&kimarite=74&wins1=4&winsopt1=1&onlyl1=on

This got me thinking, who has had even longer winning streaks ended in this unfortunate way?

Day 6: Natsu 2005 Kaio pulled out having been 5-0. Before him, Kashiwado had been 5-0 when he pulled out on Day 6 of Haru 1963.

Day 7: Haguroyama withdrew from Natsu 1952 on 6-0 - interestingly he returned to the tournament later and won 1 more bout, ending up on 7-3-5 (must be very rare for a Yokozuna to re-enter a tournament; I can only think of Takanohana in his retirement basho). Tamanishiki also withdrew on 6-0 in Hatsu 1937.

Day 12: The "glass Yokozuna" Kashiwado again - pulled out on 11-0 in Natsu 1964.

Day 13: Wakanohana had  been 12-0 at Aki 1956 but pulled out with a fever. Attempted to re-enter on Day 15 but withdrew again before his scheduled match so actually finished 12-2-1.

Day 15: The ultimate record - Chiyonofuji couldn't fight on the final day of Haru 1989 due to a shoulder dislocation having gone 14-0. Of course this one wasn't so bad for him as he won the tournament anyway.

 

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10 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Day 15: The ultimate record - Chiyonofuji couldn't fight on the final day due to a shoulder dislocation having gone 14-0. Of course this one wasn't so bad for him as he won the tournament anyway.

Which basho was that?

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10 hours ago, code_number3 said:

Which basho was that?

Sorry, accidental omission - as chishafuwaka says, March 1989. Only the second time a rikishi has ever withdrawn and still managed to win the yusho - the first was Wajima in Kyushu 1973.

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Number of rikishi co-leading the juryo division prior to Day 15 (15-day era since 1949.05, 403 tournaments to date), and eventual outcome.


8 leaders (1)

1998.05,   9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)

7 leaders (1)

1962.07, 10-4 (=> 4x 11-4) 36 rikishi in juryo

6 leaders (7)

1974.11,   9-5 (=> 4x 10-5)
1988.07,   9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)
1989.09,   9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)
1999.07,   9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)
2006.05,   9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)
2017.03,   9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)
2019.11, 10-4 (=> ?)

5 leaders (2)

1983.11, 10-4 (=> 3x 11-4)
1996.01,   9-5 (=> 2x 10-5)

4 leaders (9)

1949.05, 10-4 (=> 1x 11-4)
1956.01, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4) 45 rikishi in juryo
1978.01, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4)
1982.05, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4)
1986.11,   9-5 (=> 3x 10-5)
1992.07, 10-4 (=> 2x 11-4)
1995.01, 10-4 (=> 3x 11-4)
1995.07,   9-5 (=> 1x 10-5)
1997.11,   9-5 (=> 2x 10-5)

3 leaders (24)

  • 3 Day 15 winners (3)
  • 2 Day 15 winners (13)
  • 1 Day 15 winner (6)
  • no Day 15 winner (2)

2 leaders (91)

1 leader (268)

  • Yusho was decided; champion won on Day 15 (58)
  • Yusho was decided, champion lost on Day 15 (43)
  • Yusho was undecided, leader won on Day 15 (106)
  • Yusho was undecided, leader lost on Day 15 but won yusho outright anyway (17)
  • Yusho was undecided, leader lost on Day 15 and fell into tie (44)

Bonus trivia: 1994.09 was the only basho in which the Day 14 lead consisted of a single 9-5 rikishi.

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This isn't some one-hour sumoDB deep diving expedition, but I feel the need to point it out. 

Hakuhou will have 43 makuuchi yushos tomorrow. 

Asashouryuu, Harumafuji, Kakuryuu and Kisenosato combined have 42.

Hakuhou alone has won more than all four yokozuna he has co-reigned with combined, the undisputed king of the 2000s among them. That's just insane. 

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Subject to banzuke availability (back to 1934), the hopefully complete list of sekitori who fell to sandanme or below and made it back to juryo. Sorted by highest rank achieved before the fall. (The Kyokai sorts them by lowest rank reached during the fall when related info appears in their banzuke topics, but I'm going for a different angle here.)

Makuuchi ranks obtained after the fall in red, still active rikishi marked with *.

Shikona         HiRk Pre  LowRk      HiRk Post
Terunofuji      Ozeki     Jd48w      Juryo*
Chiyootori      Komusubi  Sd3e       Juryo*
Jokoryu         Komusubi  Sd23w      J12w*

Tosayutaka      M1e       Sd84w      M16w
Kinoarashi      M2e       Sd25e      M8e
Iwatora         M7e       Sd9e       J6e
Chiyonokuni     M8e       Sd28w      M1e*
Tamarikido      M8e       Sd80w      J4w
Matsumaeyama    M9e       Sd29e      J7e
Hamanishiki     M11e      Sd68w      J9e
Wakatsutomu     M12e      Sd1e       J5w
Daikiho         M16w      Sd65w      J4w

Amuru           J3e       Jd44e      M5e
Terunishiki     J4w       Sd17e      J11w
Hoshitango      J5w       Sd6e       J3w
Gokenzan        J8e       Sd5e       J6e
Wakatenro       J8w       Jd110w     J2w
Maedayama       J9w       Sd5w       Yokozuna
Tochisakae      J12e      Sd1e       M1w
Hokutokuni      J12e      Bg         J6e
Seionada        J12w      Sd55w      J9w
Ryuden          J12w      Jk17w      Komusubi*
Kotobeppu       J12w      Jk39w      M1e
Furuichi        J13e      Sd3e       J12e
Ganyu           J13e      Sd3w       M1w
Myogiryu        J14e      Sd94w      Sekiwake*
Wakahikari      J18e      Sd10w      J11e

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I haven't seen this topic come up (maybe missed it!):  if Kotoshogiku hangs on and Takayasu crumbles in Hatsu, there will be three ex-Ozekis in Makuuchi for Haru 2020.  Is that the most ever?  If not, when were there more of them ? (I'm assuming even a Juryo yusho won't put Terunofuji up there, too.)

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5 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Is that the most ever?

There were also three on the Nagoya 1976 banzuke (Mienoumi, Kaiketsu & Daiju).  Not sure if there have ever.been more.

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