Trivia bits

[Eikokurai 3,419]

Takanohana was a freak. He’d already made it to Yokozuna by almost the exact same age at which Takakeisho won his yusho, and probably should have been promoted sooner.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Eikokurai

[Benevolance 2,372]

Takanohana completed his oyakata tenure way before anyone else, too. Frickin' over-achiever. 

[Amamaniac 2,014]

On 28/11/2018 at 15:26, Andreas21 said:

Takakeisho won the Yusho at the age of 22 years, 3 months, 20 days.

The last Yusho winners younger than that have been:

Hakuhu (21)

Asashoryu (22)

Wakanohana (22)

Takanohana (20)

Kitanoumi (20)

(Hokutenyu was 22 but slightly older)

Quite an illustrious circle! I wish I could do a more systematic search to make a point that if you win a Yusho quite young you will most likely make it to Yokozuna.

Now there is a stat that is food for thought.  The inevitable question becomes: is Takakeisho Yokozuna material?

Don't get me wrong, I think he has plenty of determination and deserves success.  But I, for one, am not convinced that he will become the 73rd Yokozuna.  I am not sure what it is that casts doubt in my mind.  But reviewing the weight and height stats (at the time of their first yushos) for the above young championship-winners, Takakeisho is the heaviest and the shortest.  It is the height stat that stands out.  He is a full 6cm shorter that the next shortest (i.e., Kitanoumi at 179cm).  

But if Takakeisho proves me wrong, it will simply reconfirm to me that almost any body type (thinking height mostly) can find success in sumo.

[Asojima 2,847]

49 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

...almost any body type (thinking height mostly) can find success in sumo.

People lose sight of the fact that any one who makes it to makuuchi has already found tremendous success in sumo.

[Yamanashi 3,345]

I haven't been into sumo for very long, so this is a newbie's perspective, however:

The Yokozuna rank is not achieved in a vacuum.  A dominating healthy Yokozuna will almost always create a loss for each Ozeki each basho (that's how he got to be a Yokozuna).  Also, a coterie of equal-ability Ozeki will on average knock each other off the lead in many basho.  So, you could wait at the Ozeki level for years (maybe a whole career) and not punch through to the top.  This means that a Yokozuna in one alternate universe is an Ozeki in another universe, depending on the Yokozunae ahead of you. 

I think Takakeisho is not just a fad (like Abi, currently); I think he will make Ozeki.  If Hakuho, Harumafuji and Kakuryu were still healthy and on the banzuke, I wouldn't give him a chance to make Yokozuna; but they will all be gone by the time he's 25.  Maybe he will be the obvious choice for Yokozuna in the next universe.

[Jakusotsu 5,279]

17 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

I think Takakeisho is not just a fad (like Abi, currently); I think he will make Ozeki.  If Hakuho, Harumafuji and Kakuryu were still healthy and on the banzuke, I wouldn't give him a chance to make Yokozuna; but they will all be gone by the time he's 25.  Maybe he will be the obvious choice for Yokozuna in the next universe.

All this once applied to Chiyootori as well. I hope there's an alternate universe where he remained healthy.

[Akinomaki 37,421]

I haven't checked the BBM sumo quiz for a while, but no.27 has a really interesting trivia: Which unusual system existed shortly after the war, when Masuiyama I won the yusho at the Osaka Aki basho October 1949 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=194810

https://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17232661

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hint: the bout Saganohana abisetaoshi Kozuzan is missing in the DB: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=194810&d=16

3rd place playoffs - from makuuchi till jonokuchi, the first 3 places were awarded then.

This was the only in makuuchi, the Osaka Aki basho the next year had 3rd place playoffs from juryo to jonokuchi

Edited January 1, 2019 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 37,421]

Sumo quiz no. 28 http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17234625

Who was the first in the modern 6 basho era since 1958 to get from maezumo to makuuchi without makekoshi (the 2nd was Kotooshu)?

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Akebono

the last before that was Asashio in 1951, earlier Musashiyama, Haguroyama, Terunobori and Chiyonoyama.

(note  for the DB: Musashiyama can't be found with the standard press used way of writing the shikona, 武蔵山, only with the old way 武藏山)

Edited January 1, 2019 by Akinomaki

[shumitto 417]

I've just realised that Hakuho is yet to go the full distance - mind you, as a sekitori- and not get a kachi-koshi. Given his rank, that is unlikely to happen. His last make-koshi without a withdrawal has handed to him by Kaonishiki (then Murata) in 2002 (!), on day 10, his 5th bout. This was manually checked, so...

[ryafuji 798]

1 hour ago, shumitto said:

I've just realised that Hakuho is yet to go the full distance - mind you, as a sekitori- and not get a kachi-koshi. Given his rank, that is unlikely to happen. His last make-koshi without a withdrawal has handed to him by Kaonishiki (then Murata) in 2002 (!), on day 10, his 5th bout. This was manually checked, so...

Musashimaru also never had a make-koshi without a withdrawal as a sekitori. In his case, he didn't have any withdrawals either until after he became a yokozuna.

[yorikiried by fate 1,868]

It's mildly fascinating that Akebono is all the while the only 10+ yuso guy without a single zensho yusho.

[shumitto 417]

15 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Musashimaru also never had a make-koshi without a withdrawal as a sekitori. In his case, he didn't have any withdrawals either until after he became a yokozuna.

Truly remarkable. He also had only 1 mk before becoming a sekitori against Hakuho's 2, but the Mongolian was much greener when he became a pro. Musashimaru's run stands out a bit more when you compare him with other rikishi of similar weight.   Anyway, two good examples of quality and consistency.

[Akinomaki 37,421]

Sumo quiz 30 (final - maybe I find some interesting in earlier ones) http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17239542

Which (post war) yokozuna before Hakuho had a makekoshi in their jk debut basho

(shinjo shusse)

Wakanohana 1 and

Yoshibayama - the founder of Hakuho's Miyagino-beya

pic from sandanme

Edited January 3, 2019 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 37,421]

A few more quiz episodes - not necessarily the way BBM asks - all questions are for post war

No. 13: who had a winning percentage of more than 70% while being ozeki - for at least 30 basho -  apart from - which we all should still know - Kisenosato (71.3%, 31 basho) ? http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17200939

- Musashimaru - 73.5%, 32 basho

No. 15: Who made it to yokozuna in 3 basho as ozeki?  http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17204552

- Asashoryu, Chiyonofuji, Kitanoumi - Akebono was kyujo at his first basho as ozeki and then made it also in 3 basho

No. 18: Who had the most wins as new makuuchi? http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17210079

13 wins - by Kitanofuji and Mutsuarashi

both got the kanto-sho of course - here Kitanofuji in the middle

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Kitanofuji is also fastest to sanyaku - in his 2nd makuuchi basho, which also triple-sansho winner Onishiki achieved

Mutsuarashi on the right - he just got to m4 the next basho

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Edited January 4, 2019 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 37,421]

Sumo quiz no. 21: Who won the yusho both as new ozeki and as new yokozuna ? http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17215465

Tochigiyama

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and Futabayama - Futabayama both as zensho yusho

8 have won the yusho as new ozeki, also Otori, Chiyonoyama, Wakahaguro, Kiyokuni, Tochiazuma and Hakuho - 5 of those made it to yokozuna

No. 11 What was special about Akebono's shukun-sho Natsu 1992? http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17196753

He won it without a win against a yokozuna or ozeki (nor the yusho winner = himself)

Hokutoumi, the sole yokozuna had retired just before the start of the basho, Kirishima went kyujo early and Akebono lost to Konishiki, the only Y/O he faced in the basho. This was the first such incident since Dewanishiki, the first shukunsho winner, at the start of the the sansho system Aki 1947, who as new makuuchi was too low on the banzuke to face Y/O. The ginosho winner Wakahanada 1992 didn't win against a Y/O either -  he also lost to Konishiki - had he won against Akebono on senshuraku, he could have won the shukunsho.

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Edited January 4, 2019 by Akinomaki

[Yamanashi 3,345]

I haven't seen this record (but someone must have checked it out): Which rikishi have had a yusho in every level from Jonidan to Makuuchi?  I know of at least one.

[Asapedroryu 194]

Tochiazuma did it.

From active, Takakeisho almost. He missed the Sandanme

[Akinomaki 37,421]

The last 2 of interest from the BBM sumo quiz - funny early records of later yokozuna

No. 16 What rare record did Takanosato have in juryo? http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17206188

A ○●○● nukenuke kachikoshi http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=4104&b=197501

There was no nukenuke record in makuuchi after the war, in juryo there were 4, the first by Kawachiyama http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=4234&b=196411

then Takanosato, then Hananofuji http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=1365&b=198805

and the most recent Tamaasuka http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=795&b=200411

Takanosato in juryo - and as yokozuna

No. 23 What rare record did Sadanoyama have at his hiramaku yusho? http://www.bbm-japan.com/_ct/17225289

He lost to the winner of the juryo yusho, Kiyonomori http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=3994&b=196105

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The highest ranked opponent for Sadanoyama was komusubi, there were voices then calling for a revision of the torikumi rules to allow a lower ranker with top record face Y/O as well, but that change took place only 10 years later, June 1971.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Akinomaki

[Gurowake 3,730]

This includes all DB data available back to the beginning of the awarding of Yusho, but there's a few Jk Yusho missing.

Haguroyama, the 36th Yokozuna also won Yusho in all divisions.  While the question specifically excluded Jonokuchi, that doesn't add anyone.  In addition to Takakeisho, the following rikishi have Yusho in 5 divisions:

Itai  - not Makuuchi

Baruto - not Sandanme

25 rikishi have Yushos in 4 divisions.  The order is rikishi number in the database which skips around due to the order they were added.

Wakanohana, the 66th Yokozuna - not Jd, Ms
Musashimaru, the 67th Yokozuna - not Jd, Ms
Chiyotaikai (currently Kokonoe-oyakata) - not Jd, Ms
Tochisakae (currently Mihogaseki-oyakata) - Not Jk, M
Kuniazuma (from Brazil) - not J, M
Asashoryu, the 68th Yokozuna - not Jk, J
Harumafuji, the 70th Yokozuna - not Jd, Ms
Kokkai (countryman of Tochinoshin) - not Jk, M
Konishiki (from Hawaii) - not Sd, Ms
Hokutoumi, the 61st Yokozuna - not Jk, Sd
Asahifuji, the 63rd Yokozuna - not Jk, Sd
Tagaryu (currently Kagimiyama-oyakata) - not Jk, Jd
Tokitenku (briefly Magaki-oyakata) - not Ms, M
Kotooshu (currently Naruto-oyakata) - not Jd, Sd
NIshinoumi, the 30th Yokozuna - not Jk, Sd
Kitabayama (former Edagawa-oyakata) - not Jk, Jd - actually never participated in a Jk basho due to Sj completion at 3-0, so he kinda has 5 divisional Yusho
Yoshinohana (former Inagawa-oyakata) - not Jd, M
Kongo (former Nishinoseki-oyakata) - not Jd, Sd
Saisu (active 1971-1986) - not Jk, M
Shinzan (active 1955-1957 and 1960-1968) - not Jk, M
Sokokurai (currently active) - not Jd, M - newest entry to this list with his Ms Yusho last basho
Goeido (currently active) - not Jd, J
Ryuden (currently active) - not J, M
Jokoryu (currently active) - not Jd, M - note this means that he lost the Jd playoff on his way up, and thus his winning streak on entering Ozumo is when only counting honwari torikumi.
Abi (currently active) - not Jk, M

 

 

Edited January 1, 2019 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 3,730]

There are 93 rikishi with Yusho in 3 divisions.  Here are which ones (and how many) they won and their database rikishi numbers.

M   J  Ms  Sd  Jd  Jk  DB #
5    0    1    1    0    0    7
0    1    1    0    1    0    9
0    0    2    1    1    0    22
0    1    0    3    0    1    27
1    1    1    0    0    0    28
1    1    1    0    0    0    31
0    1    1    1    0    0    38
0    4    1    0    0    1    39
0    1    2    1    0    0    78
0    1    1    1    0    0    96
0    0    1    1    1    0    251
0    0    0    1    1    1    787
1    1    1    0    0    0    876
0    1    0    1    0    1    1032
0    2    0    0    1    1    1227
0    1    2    0    1    0    1288
0    1    1    0    0    1    1333
0    0    1    0    1    1    1382
0    1    0    1    1    0    1520
0    0    0    1    1    1    2858
0    1    1    1    0    0    2879
0    1    1    1    0    0    2929
5    1    0    0    1    0    3645
0    1    1    0    1    0    3715
1    1    1    0    0    0    3743
1    2    0    0    1    0    3751
0    2    1    1    0    0    3756
1    1    1    0    0    0    3790
0    0    1    1    0    1    3791
0    0    1    2    0    1    3797
1    1    1    0    0    0    3801
0    0    1    1    1    0    3805
2    1    1    0    0    0    3819
2    1    1    0    0    0    3832
0    1    0    1    1    0    3842
6    1    1    0    0    0    3850
1    1    0    1    0    0    3855
4    0    0    1    1    0    3875
10    0    0    1    1    0    3904
0    2    1    0    1    0    3974
5    1    1    0    0    0    3975
32    1    0    1    0    0    3987
3    1    1    0    0    0    3989
0    1    0    1    1    0    3991
0    0    2    1    1    0    3992
5    2    0    1    0    0    4015
1    1    2    0    0    0    4017
0    1    1    0    0    1    4030
1    1    1    0    0    0    4032
0    1    1    0    1    0    4035
0    1    0    1    0    1    4037
0    2    1    0    1    0    4049
1    0    0    0    1    1    4050
2    2    0    0    0    1    4056
0    4    1    0    0    1    4058
14    1    2    0    0    0    4074
2    0    0    1    0    1    4076
0    4    1    0    1    0    4094
0    1    2    1    0    0    4096
0    1    0    1    0    1    4105
2    1    1    0    0    0    4112
0    1    2    0    0    1    4121
2    1    0    0    0    1    4127
0    1    0    1    1    0    4134
0    0    1    0    1    1    4167
0    0    1    0    1    1    4195
0    0    1    1    1    0    4306
0    0    1    1    1    0    4324
0    0    1    0    1    1    4943
0    0    0    1    1    1    5079
0    0    1    1    1    0    5123
0    0    1    1    1    0    5506
0    0    1    0    1    1    5826
0    1    1    0    0    1    6572
1    3    2    0    0    0    6599
0    1    2    0    1    0    6614
0    1    1    0    0    1    6620
0    2    0    1    1    0    6642
0    0    2    2    1    0    7115
0    0    1    1    0    2    7125
0    0    1    1    0    1    8154
0    1    0    1    0    1    11726
0    0    1    0    1    1    11786
0    1    0    1    0    1    11985
0    1    1    0    0    1    11987
0    0    0    1    1    1    12024
0    1    0    0    1    1    12026
0    0    1    0    1    1    12113
0    1    1    0    0    1    12130
0    1    0    1    1    0    12239
0    0    0    1    1    1    12255
0    0    0    1    1    1    12412
0    1    0    1    0    1    12427

[Gurowake 3,730]

314 rikishi have won Yusho in 2 divisions.  I'm not going to paste my data for that.  1264 rikishi have won Yusho in only one division, and they include such notable Yokozuna as Kitanoumi, Akebono, and Futabayama.

[Yamanashi 3,345]

Many thanks to Gurowake for thoroughly researching the question.  My example was Tochiazuma.  I didn't include Jonokuchi because most good rikishi don't spend much time there, so lack of a Yusho doesn't mean lack of excellence.

 

[Yamanashi 3,345]

In looking for successive basho with Yusho in the Jd-Sd-Ms area, I found only Tosayutaka with three in a row; others with a third Yusho outside the range (Takeuchi, Tochinoshin, Yamazaki in Juryo), and some close calls on their third try : 6-1 in Ms (Asashoryu, Itai, Oyanagi).

Asashoryu (Ms53, later Yok68) lost in a 7-way playoff; his only regular loss during the basho, the one that put him down into the playoffs, was to Wakakaze, who never made it out of Makushita and retired two basho later. 

This stuff is one reason why I love Sumo.

[Eikokurai 3,419]

4 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

In looking for successive basho with Yusho in the Jd-Sd-Ms area, I found only Tosayutaka with three in a row; others with a third Yusho outside the range (Takeuchi, Tochinoshin, Yamazaki in Juryo), and some close calls on their third try : 6-1 in Ms (Asashoryu, Itai, Oyanagi).

Asashoryu (Ms53, later Yok68) lost in a 7-way playoff; his only regular loss during the basho, the one that put him down into the playoffs, was to Wakakaze, who never made it out of Makushita and retired two basho later. 

This stuff is one reason why I love Sumo.

Jokoryu came very close to a run of four yusho in the unsalaried ranks. His loss in a playoff for the jonidan championship cost him that record.

[Atenzan 1,074]

More than half the west-side rikishi from Ms14 to Ms27 are from Kise-beya.