Trivia bits

[ryafuji 811]

1 hour ago, orandashoho said:

I don't think that Juryo bouts are allowed to have kensho.

Well, the aforementioned Wajima vs Yutakayama bouts were allowed (according to Wikipedia anyway),  maybe as a one-time exception. 

Edited March 21, 2018 by ryafuji
Source added

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

I was relating to visiting Juryo.

[ryafuji 811]

Is it possible to query most makuuchi visits whilst ranked in  juryo? That might give us some idea. 

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

3 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

Is it possible to query most makuuchi visits whilst ranked in  juryo? That might give us some idea. 

Sure.

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

Big numbers. I didn't expect this.

[Asashosakari 18,967]

Least wins in a calendar year with full makuuchi attendance (* = did not drop to juryo afterwards):

31  1965  Maedagawa (one fusenpai)

32  1967  Toyokuni
32  1976  Owashi

33  1998  Ganyu*
33  2000  Asanowaka*
33  2012  Miyabiyama*

34  1960  Tamanoumi*
34  1979  Takamiyama*
34  1981  Aobayama
34  1995  Tochinowaka*
34  1997  Tochinowaka*
34  2014  Tochinowaka

35  1964  Kainoyama*
35  1968  Fujinishiki (-> intai)
35  1978  Oshio
35  1980  Tamanofuji*
35  1996  Kotoinazuma*
35  1996  Mitoizumi*
35  1998  Asahiyutaka*
35  2000  Hamanoshima*
35  2002  Kyokushuzan*
35  2012  Wakakoyu

(Six-basho era, excludes 2011.)

Edited March 23, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Finngall 33]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

34  1995  Tochinowaka*
34  1997  Tochinowaka*
34  2014  Tochinowaka

Impressive cluster (of unimpressiveness) here, incorporating two different rikishi with the same shikona.

[lackmaker 434]

Only 31 wins in a year and didn't drop to juryo, that's some banzuke luck.

Ok I see he went down the next year but still.

Edited March 23, 2018 by lackmaker

[Sakura 1,480]

4 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

33  1998  Ganyu*

That's an interesting pattern of results.

On unrelated news, I think next basho we'll have no kadoban Ozeki for the third basho in a row, which I think is the longest stint since 2013. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Asashosakari 18,967]

10 minutes ago, Sakura said:

On unrelated news, I think next basho we'll have no kadoban Ozeki for the third basho in a row, which I think is the longest stint since 2013. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The last stretch longer than two tournaments was 2012.01 to 2012.09 (5 basho).

[Sakura 1,480]

Just now, Asashosakari said:

The last stretch longer than two tournaments was 2012.01 to 2012.09 (5 basho).

Thanks.

[Kintamayama 44,646]

Kaisei has the worst record ever against Yokozunae: 0-30. "There is something that does not let me beat the Yokozunae." he said. Oh..

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

5 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

 "There is something that does not let me beat the Yokozunae." he said.

Probably the Yokozunæ proper?

[yorikiried by fate 2,001]

On day 14 Kaisei met M13e Dishomaru after facing Y1e Kakuryu on day 13. Those are 17 full ranks difference between consecutive days. Is there a way to query such a thing, as it sounds very extreme (aka a result of the circumstances)? A record maybe even?

Edited March 24, 2018 by yorikiried by fate

[Sakura 1,480]

3 hours ago, yorikiried by fate said:

On day 14 Kaisei met M13e Dishomaru after facing Y1e Kakuryu on day 13. Those are 17 full ranks difference between consecutive days. Is there a way to query such a thing, as it sounds very extreme (aka a result of the circumstances)? A record maybe even?

Back in Kyushu, Endo met Hakuho followed the next day facing M12w Kagayaki, going from last bout of the day to first in division and a difference of 33 slots on the banzuke. Coincidentally, the difference between Kakuryu and Daishomaru, this basho, is also 33 slots on the banzuke.

Edited March 24, 2018 by Sakura

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

On 24.3.2018 at 21:22, yorikiried by fate said:

On day 14 Kaisei met M13e Dishomaru after facing Y1e Kakuryu on day 13. Those are 17 full ranks difference between consecutive days. Is there a way to query such a thing, as it sounds very extreme (aka a result of the circumstances)? A record maybe even?

Took me quite a while to query that question. Since 1995 there have only been four occasions where a Makuuchi rikishi's opponents were more than 50 half-ranks apart on consecutive days:

1. M7w Asanosho, Hatsu 1996, day 10 Y1e Takanohana, day 11 M16e Tamakasuga, 54 half-ranks apart
2. M8w Higonoumi, Kyushu 1995, day 12 Y1e Takanohana, day 13 M15w Aogiyama, 53 half-ranks apart
3. M8e Tosanoumi, Aki 1995, day 10 M15e Tokitsunada, day 11 Y1e Takanohana, 52 half-ranks apart
4. M9w Kotonowaka, Nagoya 1998, day 11 M15e Kinkaiyama, day 12 Y1w Takanohana, 51 half-ranks apart

Looks like the Futagoyama Factor fully in charge.

The recent Kaisei case (33 halfranks apart) is only ranked 334th in this list.

Edited March 27, 2018 by Jakusotsu
Correction below.

[RabidJohn 1,722]

@Jakusotsu Serious question: How have you arrived at those figures?

There are only 42 slots in Makuuchi, with 41 half ranks between Y1E and the lowest maegashira.

BTW, 33 half ranks between Y1E and M13E adds up fine...

[rhyen 1,823]

On 3/24/2018 at 14:07, Kintamayama said:

Kaisei has the worst record ever against Yokozunae: 0-30. "There is something that does not let me beat the Yokozunae." he said. Oh..

I thought his Achilles Heel has already been exposed in the media...

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

44 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

There are only 42 slots in Makuuchi, with 41 half ranks between Y1E and the lowest maegashira.

Hmm....you're right (and 1995 there were even less) - should have switched my brain on before publishing those numbers.

What I used was the internal ordering number of the banzuke tables in the sumodb which are neatly arranged from 1-42 for the most recent banzuke, but apparently there are holes in the older ones. Need to investigate further, but not today...

[Asashosakari 18,967]

Part of my irregular series on rare but otherwise not particularly interesting results patterns:

Mitakeumi's 9-8-9-8-9-8

Mitakeumi's 9-8-7 as sanyaku

Endo's 9-9-9 as maegashira
 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Asojima 2,873]

7 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Part of my irregular series on rare but otherwise not particularly interesting results patterns:

Mitakeumi's 9-8-9-8-9-8

Mitakeumi's 9-8-7 as sanyaku

Endo's 9-9-9 as maegashira
 

This seems like a set of mixes that would be well suited for the Ozeki crowd.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Asojima

[Tenshinhan 1,605]

Speaking of Kaisei: He is the luckiest rikishi in recent history (six fusensho in the last two years).

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi1&year=2016.05-2018.03&m=on&kimarite=74&onlyw1=on 

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

Ok, I restarted my calculation with the correct distance values, and now it yields 7 instances since 1995 with 39 half-ranks apart:

M8w Higonoumi, Kyushu 1995, day 12 Y1e Takanohana, day 13 M15w Aogiyama
M7w Asanosho, Hatsu 1996, day 10 Y1e Takanohana, day 11 M16e Tamakasuga
M12e Tochinohana, Natsu 2000, day 14 O2w Takanonami, day 15 J3w Takamisakari
M5e Tochisakae, Natsu 2001, day 11 Y1e Takanohana, day 12 M15e Kyokushuzan
S1e Kotooshu, Aki 2005, day 13 Y1e Asashoryu, day 14 M16w Kisenosato
O1w Chiyotaikai, Kyushu 2007, day 13 M16e Baruto, day 14 Y1e Hakuho
M6w Toyonoshima, Kyushu 2012, day 10 Y1w Harumafuji, day 11 M15w Chiyotairyu

Kaisei with 33 is shared rank 89.

Oh, and by the way, Hokutofuji went an even greater distance than Kaisei this basho with M16e Daiamami on day 12 and S1e Mitakeumi on day 13 (34 half-ranks).

[Jejima 1,346]

13 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

M12e Tochinohana, Natsu 2000, day 14 O2w Takanonami, day 15 J3w Takamisakari

Now that is just being silly!  

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

16 minutes ago, Jejima said:

Now that is just being silly!  

M13w Heruwejima, Hatsu 2007, day 13 O2w Ekigozan, day 14 J3e Mushi
M16w Tsunamiko, Nagoya 2008, day 14 O1w Randomitsuki, day 15 J5w Gaijingai
M15e Boltbutthamma, Natsu 2010, day 13 J4e Taka, day 14 O2e Itachiyama