Asashosakari 18,873 Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) Eyeballing the list, there's also Yakigaya (Wakakoyu) who later made sanyaku. Edited December 21, 2017 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,745 Posted December 22, 2017 19 hours ago, Asashosakari said: Eyeballing the list, there's also Yakigaya (Wakakoyu) who later made sanyaku. Unfortunately, I haven't been following sumo for awhile, so I don't catch some obvious names. I am currently going through the 550 names one at a time to check for career highest rank. Then I will be able to tell how many rikishi achieved this feat on the way up vs. on the way down. Preliminary research has found another Komusubi, Wakajishi, and an Ozeki, Kaiketsu. In addition, at least two rikishi have pulled off the 1-6 to 6-1 trick twice. Ganbarou, or whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Yamanashi said: In addition, at least two rikishi have pulled off the 1-6 to 6-1 trick twice. That detail can easily be queried: grouped output 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,745 Posted December 27, 2017 OK, I gambarized and went through the DB for all 1-6 to 6-1 sequences (incidentally, there were some 1-7 to 7-1 runs in the 40's and 50's!). 516 rikishi with 558 events; 5 men did it three times. You can't get a 1-6 or a 6-1 above Makushita, so most of these rikishi never saw makuuchi. 79% of the cases were performed "on the way up" (prior to the rikishi reaching his highest rank). No future Yokozuna ever performed this feat, but the following makuuchi did: Ozeki: Hokutenyu, Kaiketsu Sekiwake: Kaiki, Wakashoyo Komusubi: Wakakoyu (twice), Wakajishi, Daitetsu M1: Kotobeppu, Ryuo M2: Shotenro (thrice!), Kitataiki, Saisu M3: Kototsubaki, Daishi M6: Wakanojo, Kinkaiyama M8: Tamarikido, Tamaairiki M9: Kobo, Sagatsukasa M11: Daigo, Tochinofuji (thrice!) M12: Senyoryu, Takanomine, Takanoyama, Yoshiazuma M13: Maruyama M16: Akiseyama (My apologies in advance for typos.) 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted December 30, 2017 Something truly trivial...longest streaks of back and forth division changes. Listed are the start and end division, and the first basho of the streak. Active rikishi and ongoing streaks in red. Cutoff 1930, i.e. modern era but without the weird banzuke-making of the first few years. between sanyaku and maegashira: 8 Dewanohana M -> M 1985.11 6 Mitsuneyama Sy -> Sy 1948.10 6 Annenyama M -> M 1958.03 6 Ozutsu (2) M -> M 1983.01 6 Shohozan M -> M 2013.05 5 Chiyonoyama M -> Sy 1946.11 5 Hasegawa (1) M -> Sy 1970.07 5 Hasegawa (2) Sy -> M 1974.01 5 Ozutsu (1) Sy -> M 1981.07 5 Asahifuji M -> Sy 1984.07 5 Kotogaume M -> Sy 1985.09 5 Tosanoumi Sy -> M 2003.05 5 Wakanosato Sy -> M 2005.01 between makuuchi and juryo: 7 Wakashoyo J -> M 1991.07 6 Oshio J -> J 1971.07 6 Hakuryuyama J -> J 1981.07 6 Masurao J -> J 1985.07 6 Hananokuni J -> J 1992.01 6 Tochinonada M -> M 2009.09 5 Maenoyama J -> M 1956.09 5 Wakanokuni J -> M 1967.07 5 Taniarashi J -> M 1978.03 5 Amanoyama J -> M 1983.05 5 Kitakachidoki M -> J 1989.07 5 Kinkaiyama J -> M 1999.07 5 Asanowaka J -> M 2001.11 5 Toyozakura J -> M 2003.09 5 Koryu J -> M 2009.11 5 Takarafuji J -> M 2011.05 5 Ikioi J -> M 2012.01 5 Yutakayama J -> M 2017.03 between juryo and makushita: 7 Shinobuyama Ms -> J 1947.06 7 Sanofuji J -> Ms 1983.03 6 Tochifudo Ms -> Ms 2003.07 6 Asofuji J -> J 2008.01 5 Kamuiyama Ms -> J 1933.05 5 Kozuzan Ms -> J 1940.01 5 Kainoyama Ms -> J 1948.10 5 Yamato Ms -> J 1995.01 5 Takanoyama J -> Ms 2013.09 5 Sakigake Ms -> J 2013.11 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted December 30, 2017 And for the lower divisions: between makushita and sandanme: 13 Kotomikasa Ms -> Sd 1983.03 10 Dewayu Sd -> Sd 1974.07 9 Shimada Sd -> Ms 1978.09 9 Shoryu Ms -> Sd 1979.01 9 Tsushimanada Sd -> Ms 1992.03 9 Okoryu Sd -> Ms 2016.07 8 Buyuzan Sd -> Sd 1937.05 8 Taninooto Sd -> Sd 1981.03 8 Kiyotakara Sd -> Sd 1988.11 8 Kaisei Sd -> Sd 1996.05 8 Kotokusuwaka Sd -> Sd 1997.05 8 Kiyoazuma Sd -> Sd 2003.01 8 Meisei Ms -> Ms 2013.03 8 Kotofukujuno Ms -> Ms 2016.03 between sandanme and jonidan: 11 Yoshida Sd -> Jd 1986.05 10 Yuzawa Jd -> Jd 2008.09 10 Mutsukaze Jd -> Jd 2012.05 9 Tengozan Jd -> Sd 1972.01 9 Maishinzan Jd -> Sd 1986.09 9 Oshiro Sd -> Jd 1988.11 9 Hashinomoto Jd -> Sd 1999.05 9 Takashoma Jd -> Sd 2001.01 9 Kototaiki Sd -> Jd 2013.07 9 Minatoryu Jd -> Sd 2014.09 8 Kotohitachi Jd -> Jd 1978.09 8 Shioryu Jd -> Jd 1980.05 8 Motoki Sd -> Sd 1985.07 8 Oazuma Jd -> Jd 2000.03 8 Tamahoriki Jd -> Jd 2002.07 8 Jiguruma Sd -> Sd 2007.03 8 Tokiarashi Jd -> Jd 2011.05 8 Higonoryu Sd -> Sd 2013.07 8 Ryutsukasa Sd -> Sd 2015.11 between jonidan and jonokuchi: 11 Hayate Jk -> Jd 1988.11 11 Aoto Jk -> Jd 1992.11 11 Suenaga Jk -> Jd 1999.11 10 Ikuta Jk -> Jk 1985.03 9 Kozakura Jk -> Jd 1982.11 9 Endo Jk -> Jd 1988.07 9 Fusahikari Jk -> Jd 2001.07 9 Chichii Jk -> Jd 2002.11 8 Tanimura Jk -> Jk 1988.11 8 Anseiryu Jk -> Jk 1994.07 8 Minozakura Jk -> Jk 1995.07 8 Daisuruga Jd -> Jd 1998.01 8 Kawai Jk -> Jk 2003.07 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,745 Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Asashosakari said: between makushita and sandanme: Holy Moley! I thought you were simply tracking moves from one division to another, but when I looked at Kotomiksa's record, I realized that you're looking at consecutive changes from one basho to the next! Maybe you can keep track of the current rikishi to see how many changes they rack up. My suggestion for a name is "Churn watch". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,599 Posted December 30, 2017 Not sure if this is the right thread... This query doesn't include Enho but I don't know why. Can someone spot the error? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted December 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said: This query doesn't include Enho but I don't know why. Can someone spot the error? The KK and MK shorthand notations don't work in the query when those zero-values aren't present. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,254 Posted December 30, 2017 For db newcomers - be careful about querying the low level divisions from decades ago. The information is incomplete and just because it doesn't show up doesn't mean it didn't happen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ack! 437 Posted December 30, 2017 Also, I know Kyokutenho was bouncing back-and-forth between the joi and the rest of Makuuchi for a long time. This is obviously difficult to research because it is not rank-specific. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,140 Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Does anyone happen to have the full list of rikishi who have earned at least 4 kinboshi? I ask because this basho Hokutofuji can earn a kinboshi in his 4th straight tournament, and I'm curious as to whether anyone has kinboshi'd in more than 4 consecutive tournaments, and whether anyone other than Tosanoumi has matched that. Hokutofuji can also earn kinboshi in the 4th of 4 tournaments he's faced yokozuna, and I'd like to know what the current record is for a 100 percent kinboshi record. Edited January 11, 2018 by Katooshu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Katooshu said: Does anyone happen to have the full list of rikishi who have earned at least 4 kinboshi? I ask because this basho Hokutofuji can earn a kinboshi in his 4th straight tournament, and I'm curious as to whether anyone has kinboshi'd in more consecutive tournaments, and whether anyone other than Tosanoumi has matched it. Hokutofuji can also earn kinboshi in the 4th of 4 tournaments he's faced yokozuna, and I'd like to know what the current record is for a 100 percent kinboshi record. Here you go... 95 guys with 4+ official kinboshi. Godspeed. Edited January 11, 2018 by McBugger 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,074 Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, Katooshu said: Thank you I'll try to see if I can answer any of your other enquiries later today while procrastinating (unavoidable). If I'm going to be inefficient, at least I can be productive. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,745 Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, McBugger said: Here you go... 95 guys with 4+ official kinboshi. Godspeed. I did a study of Takamiyami once and came across a surprising statistic: he was 21-113 against Yokozunae, but 12 of those wins were against Wajima, including 7 of his 12 kinboshi. I hope he remembered to send Wajima a nice fruit basket when he retired! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,574 Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Katooshu said: I ask because this basho Hokutofuji can earn a kinboshi in his 4th straight tournament, and I'm curious as to whether anyone has kinboshi'd in more than 4 consecutive tournaments, and whether anyone other than Tosanoumi has matched that. Tosanoumi is the only one at four consecutive basho. 16 more managed three in a row, the last one before Hokutofuji was Kotonishiki in 1999. Rikishi Basho Span Tosanoumi 4 1998 Kyushu - 1999 Natsu Yamanishiki 3 1930 Natsu - 1931 Hatsu Tatekabuto 3 1940 Natsu - 1941 Natsu Wakanohana Katsuji 3 1953 Hatsu - 1953 Natsu Kotonishiki Noboru 3 1953 Natsu - 1954 Hatsu Kotogahama 3 1955 Hatsu - 1955 Natsu Narutoumi 3 1956 Natsu - 1957 Hatsu Kiyokuni 3 1964 Aki - 1965 Hatsu Daigo 3 1964 Kyushu - 1965 Haru Kirinji Takayoshi 3 1966 Natsu - 1966 Aki Fukunohana 3 1970 Natsu - 1970 Aki Kurohimeyama 3 1978 Kyushu - 1979 Haru Tochiakagi 3 1981 Aki - 1982 Hatsu Tochinonada 3 1998 Natsu - 1998 Aki Tamakasuga 3 1998 Aki - 1999 Hatsu Kotonishiki Katsuhiro 3 1999 Haru - 1999 Nagoya Hokutofuji 3 2017 Nagoya - 2017 Kyushu Also, note that the database query result includes fusen bouts which skews the numbers. Kyokutenho for instance has two kinboshi, not four as shown in the summary. 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) Makushita Banzuke Result East High Rank West High Result Yago J13 Ms1 Terutsuyoshi J9 Asabenkei J7 Ms2 Shimanoumi J14 Kitataiki M2 Ms3 Tobizaru J14 Kitaharima M15 Ms4 Akiseyama M16 Toyonoshima S Ms5 Jokoryu K If I didn't screw up the data processing, then Hatsu 2018 is the very first basho in history* in which all 10 rikishi ranked Ms1 to Ms5 have been sekitori before. (Shame about Kitataiki's retirement messing with the occasion a bit.) * History being the DB's full-banzuke coverage period since Natsu 1934, but it's unlikely that it happened at any point before. The only post-1934 example at the opposite end of the spectrum - nobody with sekitori experience - apparently happened in Natsu 1969: Makushita Banzuke Result East High Rank West High Result 2-5 Oshio Ms1 Ms1 Kasugaryu Ms1 3-4 5-2 ↑ Manazuru Ms2 Ms2 Masuiyama Ms2 6-1 ↑ 3-4 Kitaseumi Ms3 Ms3 Fukumoto Ms3 3-4 5-2 Teruzakura Ms4 Ms4 Hagiyama Ms2 4-3 2-5 Terukami# Ms1 Ms5 Nishimori Ms3 1-6 If anybody's wondering about the trend, the average number of ex-sekitori has been: 1930s: 5.1 1940s: 4.0 1950s: 3.5 1960s: 3.9 1970s: 4.4 1980s: 4.9 1990s: 5.0 2000s: 5.3 2010s: 5.3 Edited January 15, 2018 by Asashosakari 10 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,942 Posted January 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Asashosakari said: Makushita Banzuke Result East High Rank West High Result Yago J13 Ms1 Terutsuyoshi J9 Asabenkei J7 Ms2 Shimanoumi J14 Kitataiki M2 Ms3 Tobizaru J14 Kitaharima M15 Ms4 Akiseyama M16 Toyonoshima S Ms5 Jokoryu K If I didn't screw up the data processing, then Hatsu 2018 is the very first basho in history* in which all 10 rikishi ranked Ms1 to Ms5 have been sekitori before. (Shame about Kitataiki's retirement messing with the occasion a bit.) I noticed this myself when looking at the Juryo Game entry form. I didn't realize that it never happened before though, or that it was anything special; I would have thought it to happen at least occasionally in the past. On similar notes, the only two in this range without sekitori experience on the previous banzuke got promoted, and both Ms6s were former sekitori as well. There was only Mitoryu at a high rank in the top 20 Makushita rikishi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Gurowake said: I noticed this myself when looking at the Juryo Game entry form. I didn't realize that it never happened before though, or that it was anything special; I would have thought it to happen at least occasionally in the past. Yeah, I was surprised as well. Some more data... There have been 422 basho between 1934.05 and 2018.01. Excluding the five tournaments that had more than 10 rikishi at Ms1-Ms5 (four of them after WWII when returning rikishi were re-inserted in the banzuke, and Hatsu 1983 with a kosho rikishi), the sekitori counts happened this often: 10 - 1 9 - 4 (1966.11, 1967.05, 1995.03, 2000.09) 8 - 15 (most recently 2017.11) 7 - 36 (...2017.09) 6 - 81 (...2015.09) 5 - 87 (...2017.01) 4 - 77 (...2016.09) 3 - 67 (...2014.05) 2 - 41 (...2010.07) 1 - 7 (1955.09, 1957.09, 1958.09, 1962.01, 1962.03, 1962.11, 1963.01) 0 - 1 It's most surprising that the full 10 didn't happen in 1967.05, which was the basho after 16 sekitori spots were eliminated and huge numbers of juryo rikishi found themselves demoted to makushita, and all KK rikishi in upper makushita received demotions due to lack of space. The only Ms top 5 guy who didn't have juryo experience in 1967.05, Tochifuji, had gone 6-1 at Ms1e and was dropped to Ms3e. Edited January 15, 2018 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,942 Posted January 16, 2018 I really wonder at that decision to eliminate that many sekitori spots all at once. Couldn't they have done it gradually over the next couple years? Were they that hard up for money that it had to be RIGHT NOW? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shimodahito 296 Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) This is quite remarkable... put it in the "never give up" category....http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12268 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12268 Edited January 16, 2018 by shimodahito Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,140 Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Hokutofuji gets yet another kinboshi and ties Tosanoumi, whom was one of the shimpan! Thanks for all the help with the research Edited January 16, 2018 by Katooshu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bumpkin 438 Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, shimodahito said: This is quite remarkable... put it in the "never give up" category....http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12268 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12268 69 Consecutive losses! In bizarro world, Hattorizakura just tied Futabayama's record! One more loss. C'mon, you can do it! Edited January 16, 2018 by Bumpkin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shimodahito 296 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I think the least we could do is try to get his photo in the database. He's earned the right based on longevity alone.... and the fact he's been nearly injury free! Edited January 17, 2018 by shimodahito Share this post Link to post Share on other sites