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Seemed as though Tochinoshin was a bit tentative today and mentally lost before the tachiai.

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Endo seems to do fine until he gets to about M4 or higher, at which point he falls apart (as demonstrated this basho). Has he shown his limits - a mid-Maegashira guy - or is it still too early in his career to tell? (or is there something physically wrong this basho?)

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It seems we have a full crop of 4-4 records this basho... higher than usual. 5-3/3-5 as well. At this rate, we could see a record number of 8-7/7-8 finishers.....

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Endo seems to do fine until he gets to about M4 or higher, at which point he falls apart (as demonstrated this basho). Has he shown his limits - a mid-Maegashira guy - or is it still too early in his career to tell? (or is there something physically wrong this basho?)

I remember the first two times Takarafuji made it into Makuuchi, he had no chance. Now he is looking solid in upper maegashira. It's less than a year since Endo first made it to the joi, so I wouldn't be disappointed in him yet.

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Goeido is in trouble, he was swatted away so easily today....he's gonna need to dig deep to get his kachi koshi. Haramufuji is trying to build up a run, but Hakuho is still in control I think.

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Endo seems to do fine until he gets to about M4 or higher, at which point he falls apart (as demonstrated this basho). Has he shown his limits - a mid-Maegashira guy - or is it still too early in his career to tell? (or is there something physically wrong this basho?)

I remember the first two times Takarafuji made it into Makuuchi, he had no chance. Now he is looking solid in upper maegashira. It's less than a year since Endo first made it to the joi, so I wouldn't be disappointed in him yet.

This is true. Still, the way he's trending since he made it to the Sekitori ranks (his 3rd basho [July 2013], he made it to Makuuchi the next tournament) doesn't give a lot of confidence, though. He's young, he can still turn it around - unless he gets beaten down first.

Mar 2013: Ms10TD - 5 wins

May 2013: Ms3E - 5

Jul 2013: J13W - 14 (Y)

Sep 2013: M13E - 9 (withdrew)

Nov 2013: M7W - 6

Jan 2014: M10W - 11 wins

Mar 2014: M1E - 6

May 2014: M4E - 7

Jul 2014: M5W - 8

Sep 2014: M1W - 3

Nov 2014: M8W - 10

Jan 2015: M3E - 2 wins through 8 days (includes Y and Sekiwake, but not Ozeki or Komusubi)

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Hey guys,

does anybody know why Kenjiro leaded the last three! bouts in Juryo? Shikimori Kindayu was sitting at the dohyo, but had no bout. I think that's not normal

On Day 7, Takanoiwa landed on Shikimori Kindayu after being pushed out of the dohyo by Gagamaru. I don't know what injury Kindayu suffered, but Kimura Ginjiro stayed on to officiate Kindayu's scheduled bouts.

Further down the ranks, Jonidan gyoji Kimura Soichiro is kyujo as of Day 8 due to illness.

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Anyone remember Wakakirin?

He was a bit of a slapper!

I really hate to do this again..

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The great Yokozuna Takanohana would rather lose than do anything but classic sumo. He could have done tsuppari, kachi-age, hatakikomi, henka, nodo-wa and the like, but he chose to save face, instead. Had he employed all the above tactics on a regular basis, he too may have surpassed Taiho.

http://youtu.be/4DVh-_G_Sis

Trying hard to get at the belt to get the win. Even when the opponent is trying to take your head off. Classic sumo baby. Takanohana had honor and then some.

Even now, his dohyo-iri puts the current Yokozuna to shame. But who cares about the dohyo-iri, right?

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Endo seems to do fine until he gets to about M4 or higher, at which point he falls apart (as demonstrated this basho). Has he shown his limits - a mid-Maegashira guy - or is it still too early in his career to tell? (or is there something physically wrong this basho?)

I remember the first two times Takarafuji made it into Makuuchi, he had no chance. Now he is looking solid in upper maegashira. It's less than a year since Endo first made it to the joi, so I wouldn't be disappointed in him yet.

This is true. Still, the way he's trending since he made it to the Sekitori ranks (his 3rd basho [July 2013], he made it to Makuuchi the next tournament) doesn't give a lot of confidence, though. He's young, he can still turn it around - unless he gets beaten down first.

Mar 2013: Ms10TD - 5 wins

May 2013: Ms3E - 5

Jul 2013: J13W - 14 (Y)

Sep 2013: M13E - 9 (withdrew)

Nov 2013: M7W - 6

Jan 2014: M10W - 11 wins

Mar 2014: M1E - 6

May 2014: M4E - 7

Jul 2014: M5W - 8

Sep 2014: M1W - 3

Nov 2014: M8W - 10

Jan 2015: M3E - 2 wins through 8 days (includes Y and Sekiwake, but not Ozeki or Komusubi)

I think he is clearly too good for the lower ranks and he looks competitive against everyone else but gets beaten by the greater experience of the top guys. I think one of the things he is having to adjust to is dealing with guys who have both size and skill. Most of the guys he faces at the very top ranks are physically much bigger than him and also have a high level of skill, something he wouldn't have dealt with in the lower ranks as much where big blokes tend to lumber around. He came up so fast that he has had a steep learning curve. He clearly had a crisis of confidence in the middle of last year and it seems to me that what he needs to do is realise he is good enough to compete with the top guys. He seems a bit overwhelmed against the Yoks and Ozekis but had no issues when he faced Ichinojo at the start of this basho, because in his mind I think he felt that were operating on an even playing field. He has some clear advantages in his favour - he is fast and has great balance and needs to learn to utilise that in the same way as someone like Harumafuji who is of similar size. Once he gets a bit more experience and gets his head right I think he will be upper sanyaku material but I think it might take him a year or two.

If you look at both Jokoroyu and Chiyotairyu who had a similar fast rise, you can see a similar story. Chiyotairyu looked like a world beater but has clearly hit a wall and doesn't seem to know how to get over it. He doesn't look interested much of the time and I suspect he probably isn't having much fun (which might have something to do with his personality clashing with that of his shiso). Jokoroyu on the other hand had an immediate reverse when he got to the top ranks and has taken some time to adjust, but has done so well and prior to sustaining the injury this basho, had been gradually getting better and becoming more competitive with each outing. That improvement has been slow but it has definitely been there. I thought he might make sanyaku this year but the injury might slow that rise down.

Endo is clearly more talented than both Jokoroyu and Chiyotairyu, so as long as he can stay mentally strong I expect him to adjust and get to the top level eventually. It might just take a year or two.

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The great Yokozuna Takanohana would rather lose than do anything but classic sumo. He could have done tsuppari, kachi-age, hatakikomi, henka, nodo-wa and the like, but he chose to save face, instead. Had he employed all the above tactics on a regular basis, he too may have surpassed Taiho.

I think nobody wants to deny that Takanohana was a master on the belt and a great Yokuzuna, but saying if he had this and that he might have surpassed Taiho is like saying if he had to fight Wakanohana and Takanonami on a regular basis he might have less Yusho than Akebono. It might have been like that, who knows. And really, who cares?

It won't make Takanohana better in anyones eyes, it won't make Hakuho worse in anyones eyes.

I enjoy Hakuhos style, he has a great feeling for the position of the opponent and seems to have an answer for everything. It is like seeing a genius at work.

That being said, Takanohanas Shiko really is superb compared to Hakuhos. I like Hakuhos Doyho Iri nonetheless, it seems very intense to me (most of the time). But Takanohanas is technically better.

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What about the current chairman of the NSK? How was his shiko?

Actually, it doesn't even matter. The history and backstories are lost on you. Sure, Takanohana was a great rikishi. An archetype in many ways. He was also a poster child for a dysfunctional family, under the spell of a fortune teller, and vindictive towards former stablemate Akinoshima in his post-yokozuna career. Too bad you never got to see his intense fights with Kotonishiki and later Chiyotaikai, for example. He was and is a multifaceted character.

"History and back stories are lost on you."

More ad hominem. I'm not surprised.

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Latin would be more effective if you used it correctly.

What's wrong with ad hominem? I'm rather lost with the surrounding English of all those who like to argue ad hominem instead of on topic...

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Thought Tochinoshin was very unlucky not to get a mono-ii there. And Aminishiki was robbed of a kinboshi.

Or I need glasses.

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Maybe because "ad hominem" is just "to the person" and that doesn't make sense. In that case better to use the correct form: "argumentum ad hominem". Than it is more clear...

And by the way: to stage oneself as an "victim" of an "ad hominem" argument is also quite unnecessary and will not improve the quality of an argument.

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Thought Tochinoshin was very unlucky not to get a mono-ii there. And Aminishiki was robbed of a kinboshi.

Or I need glasses.

His arm appeared to break the plane of the dohyo just before Endo crashed down on his own arm and scuffed up the side of the dohyo with face. And Aminishiki was lucky to get a torinaoshi, as his foot appeared to land a split second ahead of Kakuryu, who managed to tuck his arm in the nick of time and delay touchdown by rolling in midair.

Lol! So I need glasses then!

Yeah, I thought Endo had a case...not sure if this 'breaking the plane' rule is actually followed by the judges, actually (anyone?) but his hand went down so I thought at least they should go again.

And as for Aminishiki, from what I saw, Kakuryu hit the ground first...but as I said, I may well be completely wrong.

Any other offers?

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Am I correct in assuming that today's result kills any chance of Aioyama being on an Ozeki run at the moment?

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Am I correct in assuming that today's result kills any chance of Aioyama being on an Ozeki run at the moment?

I assume you are correct.

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Am I correct in assuming that today's result kills any chance of Aioyama being on an Ozeki run at the moment?

Ozeki run? Mathematically yes, with an 8-7 and a maximum of 9-6 he will indeed need 16 next basho to make it to 33...

But with him needing at least two wins agains Hakuho, Harumafuji and Goeido, I'll be very impressed if he ends up KK...

Edit: As for Ichinojo, unless he manages to topple one of the two Yokozuna he still has to face (starting tomorrow with Kakuryu), he'll need to win all four against strong lower ranked opponents (he still is free to fight Komusubi Tochiozan and Tochinoshin, Terunofuji and Ikioi) to get his KK.

Somehow I think it'll be easier for him to defeat a Yokozuna than to go 4/4 against those guys...

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Maybe because "ad hominem" is just "to the person" and that doesn't make sense. In that case better to use the correct form: "argumentum ad hominem". Than it is more clear...

And by the way: to stage oneself as an "victim" of an "ad hominem" argument is also quite unnecessary and will not improve the quality of an argument.

If I'm making an argument and someone says, "you don't know anything", or, "you're an idiot", does that help anything?

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Xenophobic? You must be joking.

'Rant'? LOL......A 'rant' can be any statement a person disagrees with. More argument ad hominem as far as I'm concerned.

It's obvious that my opinions are feared. Why else would I be censored to the extent that I am?

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Guess this is what happens when your Ozeki run is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Only way Goeido saves his rank is if he reasserts his recent "dominance" over Hakuho. Just hoping this charade comes to an end soon. Glad the Geeku is back was thinking injuries would push him to retire soon.

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