Kensho for Hatsu15

[Akinomaki 37,057]

61 - the Morinaga-sho as well - and he got them, most ever for a bout - special last bout rule ?

Edited January 25, 2015 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 37,057]

Again it looks like the most kensho ever will be placed for the upcoming basho.

More than the top so far at last year's Aki-basho with 1381.

The basho had 1625 kensho, day 1 and day 8 had 130 each, day 15 with the 61 alone for the last bout of the basho had 137.

Together with the 15 days of man-in onrei this is another indicator of the revival of sumo popularity.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20150125/k10014951491000.html

[Mattjila 0]

61 - the Morinaga-sho as well - and he got them, most ever for a bout - special last bout rule ?

Sorry for a dumb question but what is the Morinaga-sho?

[orandashoho 720]

Wasn't that the candy manufacturer's special prize that wasn't included in the max.50 rule?

[Akinomaki 37,057]

61 - the Morinaga-sho as well - and he got them, most ever for a bout - special last bout rule ?

Sorry for a dumb question but what is the Morinaga-sho?

Wasn't that the candy manufacturer's special prize that wasn't included in the max.50 rule?

Exactly.

A quote from page 1 of this thread:

Hakuho got the 50 kensho on day 1, the 7th bout in (recent) history with 50 or more kensho, the most ever for a day 1 bout. Last time 50 was day 15 of Hatsu 2011 Hakuho-Kaio. Actually 51 are possible, since the Morinaga-sho (only at Tokyo basho) does not count for the 50 kensho limit. This kensho is decided each day by vote from the spectators in the hall and was placed on Endo-Ichinojo for day 1 (usually it goes to the (last) yokozuna bout). Thus that bout had 22, while articles before had named 21.

Sponsors rushed to the sumo kyokai, wanting to place more kensho. The NSK allowed a limit of 60 this time, thus the 61 were possible.

http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20150125-OHT1T50050.html

[torquato 1,075]

Final Day:

1. Hakuho 545

2. Kakuryu 169

3. Harumafuji 160

4. Endo 123

5. Kisenosato 115

6. Kotoshogiku 74

7. Goeido 51

7. Ichinojo 51

9. Osunaarashi 43

10 Aminishiki 32

With these record breaking 61 kensho today Hakuho made an extra income of 30.9 million Yen (EUR 234,337; USD 262,610).

Thanks for reading.

[orandashoho 720]

With these record breaking 61 kensho today Hakuho made an extra income of 30.9 million Yen (EUR 234,337; USD 262,610).

Would that be before paying the heya's cut and taxes, or net?

imho he earned every penny for being the best and proving it so conclusively. An interesting system this, because kensho money can go to the challenger which is a damned good incentive and the best way of saying that a champion must prove his worth.

[torquato 1,075]

It's the net total, Kyokai fees are already deduced. He recieves 16.35 million Yen (EUR 124000) in cash, ie 30000 Yen is actually in each envelope. The rest of 14.6 million Yen (EUR 110400) is deposited at the Kyokai as a sort of pension fund and is paid out at intai, this is 26700 Yen per envelope.

I think I've heard that this money is tax-free, not even income tax shall be paid on this money. But I'm not 100% sure.

Edited January 25, 2015 by torquato

[torquato 1,075]

Hakuho has a real chance of winning over 500 kensho. Has anyone ever done this before? More than 500 kensho in a single basho.

I was just looking into the article on kensho in the Japanese WP for the first time. They provide some record rankings. This senshuraku had the bout with the most kensho ever, this basho had the most kensho ever and Hakuho got the most kensho ever as a single sekitori with his 545.

There was only one other basho before, when a rikishi got more than 500 kensho. 515 envelopes were handed over during Kyushu basho 2010. Guess who the lucky rikishi was. :-)

[teo_heel 33]

Hakuho has a real chance of winning over 500 kensho. Has anyone ever done this before? More than 500 kensho in a single basho.

I was just looking into the article on kensho in the Japanese WP for the first time. They provide some record rankings. This senshuraku had the bout with the most kensho ever, this basho had the most kensho ever and Hakuho got the most kensho ever as a single sekitori with his 545.

There was only one other basho before, when a rikishi got more than 500 kensho. 515 envelopes were handed over during Kyushu basho 2010. Guess who the lucky rikishi was. :-)

Really? Hakuho with 14-1? He's so rich and bad...

[Akinomaki 37,057]

It's the net total, Kyokai fees are already deduced. He recieves 16.35 million Yen (EUR 124000) in cash, ie 30000 Yen is actually in each envelope. The rest of 14.6 million Yen (EUR 110400) is deposited at the Kyokai as a sort of pension fund and is paid out at intai, this is 26700 Yen per envelope.

I think I've heard that this money is tax-free, not even income tax shall be paid on this money. But I'm not 100% sure.

The kyokai keeps the 14.6 mil.(26700) as reserve for surplus income tax the rikishi may be charged at the end of the fiscal year, and a pension fund.

Rikishi used to spend their money and then had not enough left for taxes.

Edited January 26, 2015 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 37,057]

I think I've heard that this money is tax-free, not even income tax shall be paid on this money. But I'm not 100% sure.

I would like to see that source. Hardly anything is published about tax details for rikishi income, and hardly any rikishi was in the sports top earners banzuke of the past. Maybe that referred to the NSK, who pays no taxes for receiving the money from the sponsors, none for the part they keep for their expenses and none for the pension fund etc., as long as it is not given to the rikishi.

The rikishi though work for and not as a public interest corporation, there is no reason for tax exemption for anything they earn publicly - this not the state lottery. Some favors from the tanimachi may be left untaxed, ordinary people would have to declare all its value.

This tax office info doesn't help for this - but this one is clear.

This one tells that the NSK like any ordinary employer withholds the taxes at the source for income and likely prizes as occasional income as well and the rikishi makes a tax declaration like any ordinary employee.

Edited January 26, 2015 by Akinomaki

[torquato 1,075]

Thanks Akinomaki for clarifying things. As I said, I wasn't sure myself. The WP article says that the 30 man Yen in the envelope are net income. 懸賞1本当たり手取りで現金3万円を受け取る. Maybe some obscure source erroneously took this for the whole kensho money, or I myself got it wrong from there. So yes, apparently kensho money is subject to ordinary income tax. The only difference with say a salary is that the amount of tax payment can not be estimated in advance.

[orandashoho 720]

Kensho money, earnings from advertising and endorsements, TV appearances... it's all income, in Hakuho's case adding up to a sizeable portion of total earnings, not exactly small change. Surely tax planning is essential, as all the extras may land you in a higher tax bracket as well. I have no idea what the Japanese tax system is like, but I figure that it's like everywhere else: governments know very well how to take their cut of someone's profits.

[Gurowake 3,689]

The amount withheld for pensions may have special tax treatment if there are things similar to the pension plans that exist in the US. I know absolutely nothing about Japanese tax law though.

[I am the Yokozuna 151]

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Edited January 29, 2015 by I am the Yokozuna

[Gurowake 3,689]

That's my experience, not a profound knowledge of the Japanese tax system. I have heard from various sources that is very complex, rather incomprehensible and open to exploitation. Just as an example, I believe the share of Japanese companies that do run at an accounting loss and do not pay taxes on their profits stands at 75%.

The same is said to be true of the US tax system. There are very good reasons the tax code is that way; some businesses have very complex business models whose profit that should be taxed is not easily determinable by any set of rules, never mind an easily comprehensible set.

[Akinomaki 37,057]

Day 15 of the basho had the only 2nd most kensho ever for a day of a basho (137).

For the last bout there were 3 rounds of kensho banners that circled around the dohyo. 60 (turning 61) is seen as the absolute limit.

This basho 9 new sponsors applied for kensho, usually its not more than one or two.

http://www.47news.jp/CN/201501/CN2015012501001722.html

(from other sources as well)

[Akinomaki 37,057]

Kensho number details derived from the Nikkan money banzuke

Kisenosato has 2 more than in the daily standings

Shikona	No. of Kensho
Hakuho	545
Kakuryu	169
Harumafuji	160
Endo	123
Kisenosato	117
Kotoshogiku	74
Goeido	51
Ichinojo	51
Osunaarashi	43
Takarafuji	33
Aminishiki	32
Tochiozan	31
Aoiyama	24
Ikioi	17
Tochinoshin	17
Tokushoryu	13
Kotoyuki	11
Shohozan	11
Takayasu	11
Chiyootori	10
Toyonoshima	10
Jokoryu	8
Okinoumi	8
Arawashi	7
Tamawashi	6
Terunofuji	6
Myogiryu	5
Kyokutenho	4
Sadanofuji	4
Sokokurai	4
Yoshikaze	4
Chiyomaru	3
Tokitenku	3
Kaisei	2
Homarefuji	1
Kitataiki	1
Kyokushuho	1
Takekaze	1
Toyohibiki	1
Amuru	0
Gagamaru	0
Sadanoumi	0

[Mongolith 51]

Pretty funny that Endo is averaging a MK as a Megashira and he is getting more Kensho than the top Jap Ozeki. Ridiculously marketable, I don't get it but more power to him.

Edited February 28, 2015 by Mongolith