Kyushu 2014 - General Talk

[Sumozumo 240]

Ichinojo did a good job, but Tochinoshin very nearly had him completely picked up and moving him out of the dohyo. That was also really impressive. It was a good bout.

[Vikanohara 171]

Tochinoshin-Ichinojo was interesting to anticipate (and predict), to watch as well as to analyse. My initial thought was "Ichinojo must have grown since their last meeting, having been close to a Yusho and after experiences with the best in town" but then I thought "the Georgian knows how to beat him, is on a stroll and his refreshed continuing mood might eventually nail it". Well, it turned out different, but it sure will be interesting to see what will happen next time around, as I expect them to be regular opponents for a while to come.

[kuroimori 1,633]

Tochinoshin-Ichinojo was interesting to anticipate (and predict), to watch as well as to analyse. My initial thought was "Ichinojo must have grown since their last meeting, having been close to a Yusho and after experiences with the best in town" but then I thought "the Georgian knows how to beat him, is on a stroll and his refreshed continuing mood might eventually nail it". Well, it turned out different, but it sure will be interesting to see what will happen next time around, as I expect them to be regular opponents for a while to come.

Well, Kise couldn't solve his Ichinojo riddle today

[kuroimori 1,633]

2 out of 3 Ozeki will start the next year in kadoban status. *sigh*

[sekihiryu 51]

I am disliking Osunaarashi more and more, his forearm/elbow to the face is still there despite him being warned about doing it so often and aggressively. I guess he is desperate right now, but he's dicing with breaking someones jaw, or knocking someone out.

Takekaze took his medicine today, he's a tough cookie, but that blow at the tachiai was the beginning of the end.

I really wish Asashoryu was still about and give him a nice slap to chops as a wake up call. Bring him down a peg or too. Knock the swagger out of his step.

Osunarashi needs some of his own dished back to him, one of these would do the trick

[Tony 16]

Wakanosato is doing an very good perf! What a good news!

[Kintamayama 38,047]

So, when was the last time two Ozekis went kadoban with "real" makekoshis?

[sajmae 0]

So, when was the last time two Ozekis went kadoban with "real" makekoshis?

If my search skills are correct, then it is Kyushu 1993 O2eHD Konishiki 6-9 and O1e Takanohana 7-8.

[Asashosakari 16,229]

So, when was the last time two Ozekis went kadoban with "real" makekoshis?

Never happened before.

[shumitto 402]

So, when was the last time two Ozekis went kadoban with "real" makekoshis?

I've found four occurrences where two Ozeki went "real" makekoshi and in the last three one was demoted. Only in 03.1967 did they both manage to keep their ranks (there were also three Ozeki at the time and three Yokozuna, with Haridashi and all) but the rules were different back then. Yutakayama followed that makekoshi with another one and still managed to retain his rank, so he was not technically kadoban.

(03.1967/07.1977/11.1993/07.2000)

[bettega 338]

I am disliking Osunaarashi more and more, his forearm/elbow to the face is still there despite him being warned about doing it so often and aggressively. I guess he is desperate right now, but he's dicing with breaking someones jaw, or knocking someone out.

I used to cheer for Osuna but I agree that now it's over the top. He could do better sumo - right now he seems a street brawler, not nice to watch, bad sumo and a danger to the other rikishi.

[Shitamachi 21]

Kyokutenhō said he wanted to get double digit wins, but he’s gonna have to win both of his last matches for that, now. :(

It's still possible! But I agree with everyone's comments on his lack of ganbarization. I was curious, so I went through the DB. Kyokutenho is career (juryo/makuuchi) 59-62 in bashos AFTER he got his KK and the last time he did better than 50% was when he won his yusho... I made some kind of neat formulae to see how his record was on the days after making KK and this was the result. Might be interesting to compare to other rikishi.

Basho / Record / Record after KK

1996.03 9-6 1-0

1996.05 6-9 MK

1996.07 8-7 MK

1996.09 5-10 MK

1997.01 7-8 MK

1997.03 8-7 0-1

1997.05 9-6 1-2

1997.07 8-7 0-1

1997.09 8-7 0-1

1997.11 9-6 1-3

1998.01 9-6 1-2

1998.03 6-9 MK

1998.05 8-7 0-1

1998.07 4-11 MK

1998.09 8-7 0-1

1998.11 6-9 MK

1999.01 9-6 1-0

1999.03 8-7 0-2

1999.05 9-6 MK

1999.07 7-8 MK

1999.09 8-7 0-1

1999.11 6-9 MK

2000.01 11-4 Kanto-sho (1st) 3-2

2000.03 4-11 MK

2000.05 7-8 MK

2000.07 9-6 1-2

2000.09 4-11 MK

2000.11 7-8 MK

2001.01 10-5 2-3

2001.03 3-12 MK

2001.05 6-9 MK

2001.07 8-7 0-1

2001.09 9-6 1-3

2001.11 8-7 MK

2002.01 6-9 MK

2002.03 6-9 MK

2002.05 6-9 MK

2002.07 8-7 0-2

2002.09 8-7 Kinboshi MK

2002.11 7-8 MK

2003.01 8-7 MK

2003.03 9-6 Kanto-sho (2nd) Kinboshi 1-0

2003.05 10-5 Kanto-sho (3rd) 2-1

2003.07 6-9 MK

2003.09 10-5 Kanto-sho (4th) 2-1

2003.11 4-11 MK

2004.01 8-7 MK

2004.03 10-5 2-0

2004.05 6-9 MK

2004.07 8-7 MK

2004.09 5-10 MK

2004.11 5-10 MK

2005.01 10-5 2-1

2005.03 6-9 MK

2005.05 6-9 MK

2005.07 8-7 MK

2005.09 10-5 2-1

2005.11 8-7 MK

2006.01 4-11 MK

2006.03 11-4 3-0

2006.05 5-10 MK

2006.07 6-9 MK

2006.09 6-9 MK

2006.11 10-5 2-1

2007.01 8-7 MK

2007.03 4-11 MK

2007.05 0-0-15 MK

2007.07 12-3 4-2

2007.09 12-3 Jun-Yusho (1st) Kanto-sho (5th) 4-1

2007.11 4-11 MK

2008.01 10-5 2-4

2008.03 9-6 1-3

2008.05 4-11 MK

2008.07 10-5 2-0

2008.09 6-9 MK

2008.11 10-5 2-1

2009.01 9-6 MK

2009.03 6-9 MK

2009.05 8-7 MK

2009.07 6-9 MK

2009.09 5-10 MK

2009.11 8-7 0-2

2010.01 8-7 0-1

2010.03 3-12 MK

2010.05 9-6 1-0

2010.07 7-8 MK

2010.09 4-11 MK

2010.11 9-6 1-0

2011.01 7-8 MK

2011.05 8-7 0-1

2011.07 2-13 MK

2011.09 11-4 3-1

2011.11 4-11 MK

2012.01 9-6 1-0

2012.03 5-10 MK

2012.05 12-3 Yusho (1st) Kanto-sho (6th) 4-0

2012.07 2-13 MK

2012.09 10-5 2-5

2012.11 10-5 2-2

2013.01 4-11 MK

2013.03 7-8 MK

2013.05 9-6 1-0

2013.07 6-9 MK

2013.09 8-7 0-2

2013.11 5-10 MK

2014.01 6-9 MK

2014.03 9-6 1-2

2014.05 3-12 MK

2014.07 6-9 MK

2014.09 8-7 0-2

2014.11 9-5 1-4

Edit: Total formatting fail :oP

Edited November 22, 2014 by Shitamachi

[Yubinhaad 10,043]

Wakanosato made his 1,630th career appearance today, tying for sixth place with Aobajo on the career appearance list. He'll pass him tomorrow, of course.

Kyokutenho would need to keep going until Day 7 (assuming no kyujo in the meantime) of next year's Kyushu basho to break Oshio's record of 1,891. If he can make it that far and be in Makuuchi for that basho he'll be the oldest rikishi in the modern era to do so, surpassing Fujinosato whose final Makuuchi bout came at the age of 41 years, 1 month and 8 days.

[kuroimori 1,633]

Hakuho just cried during the anthem - because the wrong national anthem was played to him for a record 32 times...

[Gernobono 383]

Hakuho just cried during the anthem - because the wrong national anthem was played to him for a record 32 times...

what is wrong with the japanese anthem for a japanese?

[Kuroyama 715]

Hakuho just cried during the anthem - because the wrong national anthem was played to him for a record 32 times...

what is wrong with the japanese anthem for a japanese?

Nothing at all. Now, if only Hakuho were Japanese...

[Gernobono 383]

Hakuho just cried during the anthem - because the wrong national anthem was played to him for a record 32 times...

what is wrong with the japanese anthem for a japanese?

Nothing at all. Now, if only Hakuho were Japanese...

he is not?

obviouslylost track about who got the citizenship...

thx for setting this right

[Akinomaki 31,396]

Kitanoumi had declared that Hakuho won't be given the special ichi-dai toshiyori status as long as he doesn't take on the Japanese citizenship. This Sankei column article demands that he should be made the first foreigner toshiyori when he retires, maybe voices like this will become louder, especially if he surpasses Taiho in yusho numbers next year.

Edited November 23, 2014 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 31,396]

I didn't get to watch the second half of the yusho interview, I hope it turns up on the net later. He spoke quite a while in Mongolian and got quite a decent applause for that - I can't imagine that that many people who understood it were in the hall.

He mentioned that he held the cup 32 times, but the one special basho he had just the flag for the yusho (I guess his name is not on the cup for that either) - so this record he still has to pull even with.

Edited November 23, 2014 by Akinomaki

[Morty 1,352]

That was a really fabulous basho, enjoyed almost every minute of it, some great genki sumo, and some really interesting permutations for the next basho in January - two kadoban Ozeki, Hakuho going for the all time Yusho lead, Kakaryu clearly getting into the Yokozuna spirit and a couple of strong Sekiwake performances that could lead to Ozeki runs in the first half of next year.

Excellent stuff!

[Tsubame 318]

This Sankei column article demands that he should be made the first foreigner toshiyori when he retires, maybe voices like this will become louder, especially if he surpasses Taiho in yusho numbers next year.

Hakusho surely knows that he has to have a japanese citizenship to be an oyakata after his retirement from active sumo. So, when he didn't applied for one until now, I conclude, that he doesn't plan to stay.

[krindel 671]

This Sankei column article demands that he should be made the first foreigner toshiyori when he retires, maybe voices like this will become louder, especially if he surpasses Taiho in yusho numbers next year.

Hakusho surely knows that he has to have a japanese citizenship to be an oyakata after his retirement from active sumo. So, when he didn't applied for one until now, I conclude, that he doesn't plan to stay.

Or he's simply genuinely undecided yet... Its not exactly an easy decision, choosing what to do with the rest of your life, is it?

[Tsubame 318]

Undecided about wether staying in Japan or going back to Mongolia and that totally independed of what to do after retirement? Hardly to believe...

[krindel 671]

Undecided about wether staying in Japan or going back to Mongolia and that totally independed of what to do after retirement? Hardly to believe...

Where did you get the "independent" part from what I said? Obviously his two paths are to become Japanese and stay in Japan as an oyakata, or to go live back home and do something else there.

[ALAKTORN 346]

Kyokutenhō said he wanted to get double digit wins, but he’s gonna have to win both of his last matches for that, now. :(

And he did. :)

I think this yūshō interview was the one where I didn’t understand the most. Wish someone would make a translation.