Ack! 433 Posted November 19, 2014 Is it me, or was there a lot of unusual kimarite in Day 10? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekitori 492 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Just hope Takayasu keeps showing his potential...he could be great if he wasn't so inconsistent. That statement could apply to several other rikishis as well--with the exception of course, of Hakuho. Aside from him, they all share, to varying degrees, one common characteristic. That characteristic is inconsistency. For what it's worth, the word "potential" in sports is overused. It actually means very little. All it indicates is that an athlete could possibly have exceptional future success. The problem is that very few athletes showing so-called potential will ever achieve or even come close to having such success. Edited November 19, 2014 by sekitori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asameshimae 220 Posted November 19, 2014 Is it me, or was there a lot of unusual kimarite in Day 10? It sure seemed like it. It sure made for an exciting day if you are into kimarite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakuyobaku 33 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Does anyone know the longest gap between two rikishi meetings is, or at least the longest gap between first and second meetings? Today we have Shohozan vs. Amuru, whose only previous meeting was Aki 2008. Still another one coming up tomorrow, Tochinoshin vs Sokokurai here's the H2H history: 2007.07 Day 8 Ms18w Tochinoshin yorikiri Ms11e Sokokurai 2007.09 Day 5 Ms6e Tochinoshin yorikiri Ms5e Sokokurai 2007.11 Day 1 Ms1e Tochinoshin tsuridashi Ms2e Sokokurai 2014.11 Day 12 M8e Tochinoshin M14w Sokokurai Strange, all right? Met three times in makushita 7 years ago last time. Tochinoshin then simply overtook Sokokurai and stayed in the single digit Maegashira. Sokokurai didn't rise higher than double digit. Which he most probably will with a couple more wins. Edited November 19, 2014 by Hakuyobaku 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Wow... Suddenly Aoiyama has to face only Maegashira, and is in an a position to start an Ozeki run... I'd never have thought it before the basho he'd do so well. Edit: And I am also really happy to see Kagawaki get his KK in his sekitori debut :-) Edited November 19, 2014 by krindel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,478 Posted November 19, 2014 Sokokurai has steadily improved his sumo since his return. He was never on my radar as a rikishi to follow prior to his expulsion, but when he came back he had that underdog allure. It's very unlikely that he'll ever challenge for the joi-in, but his compete level is high. He shows up for every fight, he's always trying to move forward - though he seems too easily pushed around still by the established veterans - and he earnestly tries to win his matches. Every time I seem him fight, I think, "This guy really loves sumo!" and he reminds me why I love sumo. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,919 Posted November 19, 2014 Wow... Suddenly Aoiyama has to face only Maegashira, and is in an a position to start an Ozeki run... I'd never have thought it before the basho he'd do so well. Edit: And I am also really happy to see Kagawaki get his KK in his sekitori debut :-) Kagayaki? Hmm, somehow it looked more than one letter different when I first read it. Probably because it inched closer to my own name. Aoiyama has yet to fall on his face the last couple basho; not slipping like he used to is all he's really needed to do to take it to the next level. And they say the Kyushu dohyo is more slippery... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted November 19, 2014 Edit: And I am also really happy to see Kagawaki get his KK in his sekitori debut :-) Kagayaki? Hmm, somehow it looked more than one letter different when I first read it. Probably because it inched closer to my own name. Well, yes, him, the artist formerly known as Tatsu... That's what rikishi get for getting their shikona after people get to know them with their real name. :-p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shitamachi 21 Posted November 19, 2014 Great bout between Kakuryu and Kise today! Loved watching the gyoji running around trying not to get squashed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mongolith 51 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Tochinowaka is so soft getting manhandled by svelte Amuuru, who has had trouble moving anybody. Too bad his mentality does not match his size. Edited November 19, 2014 by Mongolith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted November 19, 2014 There are so many Hakuho lovers here but none has come to criticize him over his performance today. A lateral tachiai followed by a nasty shoulder to Goeido's face giving us the Hakuho brawler at his best. Actually, the only Yokozuna trying to do Yokozuna sumo today was Kakuryu of all people. Admittedly, taking Kisenosato straight on was a bold and interesting idea, but even the Kakbackpedaling® couldn't bring the win home this time. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adil 232 Posted November 19, 2014 Harumafuji's side-stepping tachiai failed today. I think he may have been stunned momentarily when his head thudded against Aoiyama's right arm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted November 19, 2014 Kakuryu employed "Yokozuna sumo" and lost. Hakuho used "brawler" tactics and won. And in doing so, tied Kakuryu for the yusho race. So tell me, whose tactic was more effective? And my query has nothing to do with being a "Hakuho lover". Sumo is a combat sport and sometimes guys get smacked in the face, get thrusts to the throat or thrown down hard to the clay. It all comes with the territory, no? Criticizing a yokozuna for relying on henkas or pull techniques is somewhat understandable. But criticizing a yokozuna for putting the smackdown on an ozeki? Not so much, imo. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highway 46 Posted November 19, 2014 Harumafuji's side-stepping tachiai failed today. I think he may have been stunned momentarily when his head thudded against Aoiyama's right arm. Yes, lucky but very welcome win for Aoiyama. He needs to work a little but on expecting these kind of tachiai's though, as they're one of the few ways to effectively beat him. Great, great bout between Kakuryu and Kise - I'd love for the latter to really challenge for the cup this time, but with Hakuho tomorrow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 455 Posted November 19, 2014 Great, great bout between Kakuryu and Kise i do not understand what was great about this bout kakuryu on the move backwards as he is 70% of all his bouts and kise chasing him without slipping in the end and therefore winning....that's all.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asameshimae 220 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) I agree about the Kaku bout. It was the only bout I watched where I already knew the result and I was disappointed. In his yokozuna test bout against Ichi he goes straight ahead but the plays rope a dope with Ksato until he Ksato finally manages to corner him enough to push him out? I suppose if he'd won it with that "strategy" I'd be singing a different tune, but yeesh. Edited November 19, 2014 by Asameshimae Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asameshimae 220 Posted November 19, 2014 Was pretty nonchalant? I have met very few rikishi who aren't nonchalant about just about anything. I suppose that is why I savor the "chalant" moments. ... Asashoryu went out with a yusho in makuuchi and a fist fight in a car park. That is two bangs. Did he get a yusho in the fist fight? Hopefully at least a KK... It was a KO...On a personal note when I asked him about it, meeting him after the 2009 Nagoyabasho he was pretty nonchalant about not beating Hakuho on the final day which would have meant a Hakuho tie breaker with Kotooshu. He said very calmly and casually that he'd win the next yusho, and he did. He won the one in January as well but my personal impression on meeting, speaking, sharing beer and meat on a stick with him is that his heart wasn't really in it, even then months earlier. He was already thinking and talking about the next things and they weren't sumo related. Photo courtesy of Viki who was so kind as to bring me along on one of her amazing sumo adventures... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 157 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Harumafuji got figured out today. You can't do the same move every match without getting caught. People look so stupid when those types of manuevers don't work. Was sad to see Kyokutenho and Tochi get matched up today. I understand why but I was hoping they'd both let them ride their records out a little longer. 3 guys with 2 losses is more fun to play with. If I were Osunaarashi, I'd leave the basho again tomorrow. No point in him further injuring himself when this basho is a wash for him. His wrap on his knee is reaching Aminishiki levels. Neither a win or a loss is really going to help him much at this point. Back to Juryo for Tochinowaka. Why can't he learn to stop standing up straight? I'm certain I could even push him out of the dohyo with how straight he stands. I don't know what happened at all with Kakuryu today. He just seemed off from the start and looked very different than he has all basho. He seemed to totally give it up after the initial push. I'm very much looking forward to Kisenosato vs Hakuho tomorrow. Kisenosato has a shot at winning this thing if he can pull that one off, because I do believe Kakuryu will have 2 or 3 losses. Edited November 19, 2014 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
torquato 1,075 Posted November 19, 2014 If I were Osunaarashi, I'd leave the basho again tomorrow. No point in him further injuring himself when this basho is a wash for him. His wrap on his knee is reaching Aminishiki levels. Neither a win or a loss is really going to help him much at this point. One further win will make it safe for him to remain in Makuuchi. That's also a question of income aka money. His bout today wasn't actually bad. He had his chances. Hard to tell from that far away as we usually are how it's going with his injury (injuries?). It seems that they are aggrevating from basho to basho now. I'm afraid The Wall will be his health that he is hitting too soon. I'm very much looking forward to Kisenosato vs Hakuho tomorrow. Kisenosato has a shot at winning this thing if he can pull that one off, because I do believe Kakuryu will have 2 or 3 losses. Don't put that much pressure on Kise. You should know that he can't cope with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 157 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) If I were Osunaarashi, I'd leave the basho again tomorrow. No point in him further injuring himself when this basho is a wash for him. His wrap on his knee is reaching Aminishiki levels. Neither a win or a loss is really going to help him much at this point. One further win will make it safe for him to remain in Makuuchi. That's also a question of income aka money. His bout today wasn't actually bad. He had his chances. Hard to tell from that far away as we usually are how it's going with his injury (injuries?). It seems that they are aggrevating from basho to basho now. I'm afraid The Wall will be his health that he is hitting too soon. I'm very much looking forward to Kisenosato vs Hakuho tomorrow. Kisenosato has a shot at winning this thing if he can pull that one off, because I do believe Kakuryu will have 2 or 3 losses. Don't put that much pressure on Kise. You should know that he can't cope with that. Osuna isn't going down to Juryo next basho, so there's no worries there. I'm thinking he ends up around M14. Edited November 19, 2014 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted November 19, 2014 Kakuryu employed "Yokozuna sumo" and lost. Hakuho used "brawler" tactics and won. And in doing so, tied Kakuryu for the yusho race. So tell me, whose tactic was more effective? Effectiveness might be the gold standard for some people, but everyone. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rzombie1988 157 Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Oh and I miss Asashoryu. Past his peak or not, he was a great character and deserved to finish his career on his own terms. There will never be another one like him. Sumo needs more people like him. If I were him, I would have just taken a leave of absence for a basho or two to let the heat die down, then return. Edited November 19, 2014 by rzombie1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monnodo 60 Posted November 19, 2014 Oh and I miss Asashoryu. Past his peak or not, he was a great character and deserved to finish his career on his own terms. There will never be another one like him. Sumo needs more people like him. If I were him, I would have just taken a leave of absence for a basho or two to let the heat die down, then return. I do not think sumo works like this. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted November 20, 2014 Big-time Asashoryu fans not quite understanding how Ozumo works was a common theme around these parts between 2003 and 2010. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mukonoso 273 Posted November 20, 2014 Amuuru's win yesterday was interesting (just catching up tonight). I've never seen someone yank a belt and flip an opponent. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
