dingo 1,180 Posted September 23, 2014 Here's the mono-ii explanation for Toyonoshima vs. Chiyotairyu. They say that Toyonoshima's foot stayed in the ring. I don't really see how, unless the shimpan have a secret camera taped under Toyonoshima's foot that showed them the 1mm that was left between his footsole and the ground. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,824 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Maybe surprisingly Takekaze has a reasonable chance of remaining in senyaku or even retaining his rank.What's more, there's a real chance for both Oguruma rikishi being Sekiwake next basho. If that happens, I'm gonna put a framed banzuke on my wall B-) Edited September 23, 2014 by Jakusotsu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 1,989 Posted September 23, 2014 Let's find five other dwarves to fill the ranks til M2e. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highway 46 Posted September 23, 2014 **yep I meant Kisenosato, was looking at the following day and had two thoughts at the same time But speaking of Kise - another loss today, so he's effectively out of the running. None of the Ozekis are impressing all that much this basho. Hakuho seems to have this in the bag, but let's see if anyone can pull an upset. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted September 24, 2014 Oh, a schedule curveball - they've put the entire Day 13 joijin slate on Day 12. Maybe I've underestimated their assessment of Ichinojo's threat level. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Propmanoz 1 Posted September 24, 2014 And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,873 Posted September 24, 2014 By the way, about that Takarafuji win yesterday... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialweek 2 136 Posted September 24, 2014 And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him. They might be arranging for Hakuho v Ichinojo on day 13. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Propmanoz 1 Posted September 24, 2014 And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him. They might be arranging for Hakuho v Ichinojo on day 13. That would mean giving Hakuho a free run and missing out on an Ozeki. Surely they wouldn't do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Propmanoz 1 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Also, am I putting the moz on Tochinoshin if I draw attention to the fact that only four times in history has a Rikishi completed a Zensho Yusho in Juryo, and only once (Baruto) in the last 50 years...? Edit: Since 15 bouts became the standard program. Edited September 24, 2014 by Propmanoz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialweek 2 136 Posted September 24, 2014 When and/or if was the last Yokozuna vs Shinnyumaku bout? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,778 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) When and/or if was the last Yokozuna vs Shinnyumaku bout? http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_expand=on&rank1=Y&rank2=M&debutd2=on The 1995 case does not belong into the "threatening youngster" category. It just shows how deep the banzuke back then was filled with Futagoyama-beya rikishi, so that an M7 was part of the de facto top 16. Edited September 24, 2014 by Randomitsuki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialweek 2 136 Posted September 24, 2014 When and/or if was the last Yokozuna vs Shinnyumaku bout? http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_expand=on&rank1=Y&rank2=M&debutd2=on Cheers, I never know how to look these up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted September 24, 2014 Endo looked good today. This an attempt at humor, by the way. Try not to be offended. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Propmanoz 1 Posted September 24, 2014 Endo looked good today. This an attempt at humor, by the way. Try not to be offended. First time in the basho he has looked assured in victory... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Propmanoz 1 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I would say that was quite a cheeky hatakikomi from Ichinojo. Well executed though - and ambitious to attempt in his first bout against a sanyaku opponent. 10-1 with Goeido tomorrow. Interesting. Also, Kakuryu would seem to have a possible hole in his schedule on Day 13 or 14 to fight a high-performing Maegashira, so this may be the plan if Ichinojo is still in the Yusho race come Day 14. Edited September 24, 2014 by Propmanoz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted September 24, 2014 Takekaze!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luispereira 383 Posted September 24, 2014 Ichinojo!!! :D , I hope he doesn't hurt Goeido ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luispereira 383 Posted September 24, 2014 Tokitenku just van dammed that bout! yee 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,942 Posted September 24, 2014 I would say that was quite a cheeky hatakikomi from Ichinojo. Well executed though - and ambitious to attempt in his first bout against a sanyaku opponent. 10-1 with Goeido tomorrow. Interesting. The usual tachiai games from Kisenosato piss off everyone from Hakuho to the new entrants. So it's more like poetic justice. While apparently Terunofuji's henka was not pre-ordained, I have to wonder whether Ichinojo tried to abuse the notion that Kisenosato makes people matta in order to convince him he was going to go hard in order to make him susceptible to the henka. He may have thought he would likely be at a disadvantage if he did his normal passive game as Kisenosato has a significant advantage in strength and size compared to Ichinojo's previous opponents. It may have only occurred to him after the two matta, but it still seems like a solid plan. He normally is quite patient and seems to play a thinking game (which is something I really like about Sumo) and had a different thought today. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,942 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Oh, a schedule curveball - they've put the entire Day 13 joijin slate on Day 12. Maybe I've underestimated their assessment of Ichinojo's threat level. :-) They're in a position to go with Ichinojo vs. Kotoshogiku Day 13, Kakuryu Day 14 and Takekaze Day 15, similar to how I originally imagined once I saw Goeido-Kakuryu on day 11. It may not have been the same people on the same days, but it was the same idea and leaves the important Y-Y and O1-O1 matches on Day 15 still. The rest of that schedule is: Day 13: Hakuho-Goeido, Kakuryu-Kisenosato, Takekaze-whoever Day 14: Hakuho-Kotoshogiku, Kisenosato-whoever, Goeido-Takekaze Day 15: Kakuryu-Hakuho, Kisenosato-Kotoshogiku, Goeido-whoever Notice they have plenty of room to maneuver, with a different free top6 every day on top of the Ichinojo bout to take on the likes of Aminishiki or Ikioi. They're leaving the Kakuryu maegashira match for the latest possible day in order to minimize the chance that they actually have to use it against Ichinojo. Edited September 24, 2014 by Gurowake 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 139 Posted September 24, 2014 And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him. They might be arranging for Hakuho v Ichinojo on day 13. That would mean giving Hakuho a free run and missing out on an Ozeki. Surely they wouldn't do that. Missing an Ozeki sure, but it actually might make it a tougher run, based on results so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 139 Posted September 24, 2014 Clearly a mistake was made in not challenging Kyokutenho early enough, and it's not right to let a low-ranked maegashira waltz to a yusho. And Ichinojo has certainly looked impressive so far. Kisenosato, after a great start, is looking a little doubtful lately. Could easily lose this match. He does not seem to intimidate opponents at all. Takarafuji couldn't get off the dohyo fast enough against Hakuho; today he's a monster. Ichinojo again using a strong grip on the back of the neck. Very useful; at his height he will see plenty of neck backs to grab. If you go back and look at the decisions they made for his opponents, he was matched up with high-ranking guys as soon as it was clear he was in contention. After day 11 when they made the day 13 torikumi, Kisenosato had a 2-win lead over 8 rikishi. You can't put Ozeki against all those guys. Kisenosato lost day 12 (to Tochiozan) and only Tochiozan and Kyokutenho won out of the 3-loss group, so the latter two did get tough matches for days 14 and 15. Kyokutenho did end up facing Sekiwake Goeido and Ozeki Kotooshu and beat both of them, so it's not like it just fell to Kyokutenho without having him beat anyone good at all. The one match that sticks out is Day 13. Paired against a 5-7 M11. Could they really not come up with anything better than that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 139 Posted September 24, 2014 Don't understand the hating on Kisenosato. Yes, he is involved in more matta than others. He is slow at the tachi-ai, taking longer from going to the squat to blast off. Hakuho is pretty deliberate, too, only no one dares to jump early against him. It's not like Kise is twitching or something to intentionally draw guys off. They're firing before he even makes a move to put a fist down. I think they have all caught on that the guy is a head case and it's worth trying to rattle him. Note that in today's action you can also see Goeido launching before Kakuryu makes any move forward. Is this a "game" on Kakuryu's part? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inhashi 2,363 Posted September 24, 2014 did anyone see else this today? Hakuho - hansoku hair pull? or not??? image:twitter 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites