Aki 2014 Basho Comments

[dingo 1,160]

Here's the mono-ii explanation for Toyonoshima vs. Chiyotairyu.

They say that Toyonoshima's foot stayed in the ring. I don't really see how, unless the shimpan have a secret camera taped under Toyonoshima's foot that showed them the 1mm that was left between his footsole and the ground.

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

Maybe surprisingly Takekaze has a reasonable chance of remaining in senyaku or even retaining his rank.

What's more, there's a real chance for both Oguruma rikishi being Sekiwake next basho. If that happens, I'm gonna put a framed banzuke on my wall B-) Edited September 23, 2014 by Jakusotsu

[yorikiried by fate 1,989]

Let's find five other dwarves to fill the ranks til M2e.

[Highway 46]

**yep I meant Kisenosato, was looking at the following day and had two thoughts at the same time

But speaking of Kise - another loss today, so he's effectively out of the running. None of the Ozekis are impressing all that much this basho. Hakuho seems to have this in the bag, but let's see if anyone can pull an upset.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Oh, a schedule curveball - they've put the entire Day 13 joijin slate on Day 12. Maybe I've underestimated their assessment of Ichinojo's threat level. :-)

[Propmanoz 1]

And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

By the way, about that Takarafuji win yesterday...

[specialweek 2 136]

And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him.

They might be arranging for Hakuho v Ichinojo on day 13.

[Propmanoz 1]

And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him.

They might be arranging for Hakuho v Ichinojo on day 13.

That would mean giving Hakuho a free run and missing out on an Ozeki. Surely they wouldn't do that.

[Propmanoz 1]

Also, am I putting the moz on Tochinoshin if I draw attention to the fact that only four times in history has a Rikishi completed a Zensho Yusho in Juryo, and only once (Baruto) in the last 50 years...?

Edit: Since 15 bouts became the standard program.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Propmanoz

[specialweek 2 136]

When and/or if was the last Yokozuna vs Shinnyumaku bout?

[Randomitsuki 2,768]

When and/or if was the last Yokozuna vs Shinnyumaku bout?

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_expand=on&rank1=Y&rank2=M&debutd2=on

The 1995 case does not belong into the "threatening youngster" category. It just shows how deep the banzuke back then was filled with Futagoyama-beya rikishi, so that an M7 was part of the de facto top 16.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Randomitsuki

[specialweek 2 136]

When and/or if was the last Yokozuna vs Shinnyumaku bout?

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_expand=on&rank1=Y&rank2=M&debutd2=on

Cheers, I never know how to look these up.

[Masumasumasu 902]

Endo looked good today.

This an attempt at humor, by the way. Try not to be offended.

[Propmanoz 1]

Endo looked good today.

This an attempt at humor, by the way. Try not to be offended.

First time in the basho he has looked assured in victory...

[Propmanoz 1]

I would say that was quite a cheeky hatakikomi from Ichinojo. Well executed though - and ambitious to attempt in his first bout against a sanyaku opponent.

10-1 with Goeido tomorrow. Interesting.

Also, Kakuryu would seem to have a possible hole in his schedule on Day 13 or 14 to fight a high-performing Maegashira, so this may be the plan if Ichinojo is still in the Yusho race come Day 14.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Propmanoz

[Masumasumasu 902]

Takekaze!!!

[luispereira 383]

Ichinojo!!!

:D , I hope he doesn't hurt Goeido ...

[luispereira 383]

Tokitenku just van dammed that bout! yee

[Gurowake 3,919]

I would say that was quite a cheeky hatakikomi from Ichinojo. Well executed though - and ambitious to attempt in his first bout against a sanyaku opponent.

10-1 with Goeido tomorrow. Interesting.

The usual tachiai games from Kisenosato piss off everyone from Hakuho to the new entrants. So it's more like poetic justice.

While apparently Terunofuji's henka was not pre-ordained, I have to wonder whether Ichinojo tried to abuse the notion that Kisenosato makes people matta in order to convince him he was going to go hard in order to make him susceptible to the henka. He may have thought he would likely be at a disadvantage if he did his normal passive game as Kisenosato has a significant advantage in strength and size compared to Ichinojo's previous opponents. It may have only occurred to him after the two matta, but it still seems like a solid plan. He normally is quite patient and seems to play a thinking game (which is something I really like about Sumo) and had a different thought today.

[Gurowake 3,919]

Oh, a schedule curveball - they've put the entire Day 13 joijin slate on Day 12. Maybe I've underestimated their assessment of Ichinojo's threat level. :-)

They're in a position to go with Ichinojo vs. Kotoshogiku Day 13, Kakuryu Day 14 and Takekaze Day 15, similar to how I originally imagined once I saw Goeido-Kakuryu on day 11. It may not have been the same people on the same days, but it was the same idea and leaves the important Y-Y and O1-O1 matches on Day 15 still. The rest of that schedule is:

Day 13: Hakuho-Goeido, Kakuryu-Kisenosato, Takekaze-whoever

Day 14: Hakuho-Kotoshogiku, Kisenosato-whoever, Goeido-Takekaze

Day 15: Kakuryu-Hakuho, Kisenosato-Kotoshogiku, Goeido-whoever

Notice they have plenty of room to maneuver, with a different free top6 every day on top of the Ichinojo bout to take on the likes of Aminishiki or Ikioi. They're leaving the Kakuryu maegashira match for the latest possible day in order to minimize the chance that they actually have to use it against Ichinojo.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Gurowake

[Shikona 139]

And Ichinojo-Goeido tomorrow as well. They clearly want to test him.

They might be arranging for Hakuho v Ichinojo on day 13.

That would mean giving Hakuho a free run and missing out on an Ozeki. Surely they wouldn't do that.

Missing an Ozeki sure, but it actually might make it a tougher run, based on results so far.

[Shikona 139]

Clearly a mistake was made in not challenging Kyokutenho early enough, and it's not right to let a low-ranked maegashira waltz to a yusho. And Ichinojo has certainly looked impressive so far. Kisenosato, after a great start, is looking a little doubtful lately. Could easily lose this match. He does not seem to intimidate opponents at all. Takarafuji couldn't get off the dohyo fast enough against Hakuho; today he's a monster.

Ichinojo again using a strong grip on the back of the neck. Very useful; at his height he will see plenty of neck backs to grab.

If you go back and look at the decisions they made for his opponents, he was matched up with high-ranking guys as soon as it was clear he was in contention. After day 11 when they made the day 13 torikumi, Kisenosato had a 2-win lead over 8 rikishi. You can't put Ozeki against all those guys. Kisenosato lost day 12 (to Tochiozan) and only Tochiozan and Kyokutenho won out of the 3-loss group, so the latter two did get tough matches for days 14 and 15. Kyokutenho did end up facing Sekiwake Goeido and Ozeki Kotooshu and beat both of them, so it's not like it just fell to Kyokutenho without having him beat anyone good at all.

The one match that sticks out is Day 13. Paired against a 5-7 M11. Could they really not come up with anything better than that?

[Shikona 139]

Don't understand the hating on Kisenosato. Yes, he is involved in more matta than others. He is slow at the tachi-ai, taking longer from going to the squat to blast off. Hakuho is pretty deliberate, too, only no one dares to jump early against him. It's not like Kise is twitching or something to intentionally draw guys off. They're firing before he even makes a move to put a fist down. I think they have all caught on that the guy is a head case and it's worth trying to rattle him. Note that in today's action you can also see Goeido launching before Kakuryu makes any move forward. Is this a "game" on Kakuryu's part?

[inhashi 2,363]

did anyone see else this today? Hakuho - hansoku hair pull? or not???

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