Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted June 24, 2004 I can not justify having a connection whatsoever to this forum any more. I want to get rid of the domain ownership and the financial burden, small as it is. I wish I could cancel most of my connections with Internet sumo community since 1997 but it's impossible and anyone who's interested about it, can see from archival sites I've been involved with all this bullshit called sumo for years against my better judgment. Well, whatever. No big deal. I will pay once more a three month period so you'll have time to think about how to arrange the continuation (if any) of this domain. September 30th will be the day I consider all my obligations to this domain end. I suggest you come up with something well before it if there is any interest. I couldn't care less. I just want out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted June 24, 2004 Now this is gonna cause a ripple or two. Still, shit happens, then you die. Live with it. :-/ :-) For fans who truly need the forum some thinking will need to be done as the ML offers very little in comparison and nowhere else even comes close - but I'd suggest if noone is willing to take over the payments and whole caboodle then a switch to yahoo etc as a freebie. Perhaps now is the time for out Rijicho and Mods to start playing the part several months of practice has provided - said in a good way - and solve this problem. Also, for those in Nippon - start exchanging e-mails NOW to avoid losing contact and so keeping the chance of attending a basho together. (Protesting...) ANR :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted June 25, 2004 how much exactly is this "financial burden"? Whatever a web hotel provider of one's choice charges for a domain with roughly the same amount of traffic as this one (About 3-4 gigabytes monthly? Could it be? Can be seen from the logs, of course.), right to utilize a MySQL database and right to sustain the domain name. After the initial expenses I've been paying 269 euros annually unless I remember it wrong. Very near that sum anyway. Not a big deal as such as I mentioned earlier but this is not about money but about my intent to free myself from as many irritating things in my life as possible. Too long to elaborate and certainly uninteresting to anyone else but me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zuikakuyama 1 Posted June 25, 2004 (edited) I would be willing to contribute financially to this site. Just tell me how. Edited June 25, 2004 by Zuikakuyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Onnagumo 4 Posted June 25, 2004 yes surely a 5 euro a year subscription would be reasonable for everyone. you'd only need 50 people or so. if we sent the money to Kotoseiya Yuichi he might be willing to pay the provider. I agree, 5 euro can't be too much of a problem. Count me in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rijicho 6 Posted June 25, 2004 Forum isn't in jeopardy. No worries about that. Cost contribution by members will be perfectly appreciated but not a decisive factor. Kotoseiya didn't want help in financial side managing the forum and I am sure that was the only reason he has been paying the annual fees fully himself. Sad to see you go like this and shake sumo off so completely in your evident quest to get rid of this irritating nuisance. If you still check your email at all, you could reply to some questions of mine considering the very details of everything related to this domain and connections there. I don't have full details yet. Will send you mail this weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 531 Posted June 26, 2004 Anything to stop the (Censored) griping Kotoseiya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted June 26, 2004 Anything to stop the (Censored) griping Kotoseiya. You don't know the full story. None of you on his/her own does so I'd appreciate I'd be just left alone. Do whatever you please with all this bullshit. I just want out. That's all I ask. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gusoyama 96 Posted June 27, 2004 (edited) Simple solutions can be had by multiple hosting companies for a GREAT deal less than 269 euros a year, if the forum software is free.(if invision isn't, there are tons out there that are, including PHPbb) On Fuitadnet, you can have 25 GB of bandwidth per month, 3 GB hard drive space, and all the bells and whistles for $4.99 US/month. Thats $60/year, or around 50 Euros. Thats dirt cheap. Personally, I use Dreamhost, and they've been GREAT for me for 4 years. They have a similar plan to Fuitadnet, with 40 GB of bandwidth, 800 MB of disk storage, and all the bells and whistles, for $7.95/month US, and you get free domain reg, which might not count for this one, because it exists already. That comes out to $95 US, or about 80 Euros, which is a bit more, but you get more bandwidth. Either of the above choices would more than suit the needs for this site. I'm most definitely not bashing Kotoseiya, I'm just suggesting that if it does change hands, that maybe a cheaper hosting option could be found, to lessen the burden on those who contribute. Heck, I'd put in $5/year, 2 pennies a day? No problem. I'm also sure that there are plenty of other hosting options out there, the trick will be transferring databases, so there is no lost information. (Neener, neener...) Kotoseiya, good luck with your life, and I'll be sure to watch this thread closely. Edited June 27, 2004 by Gusoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted June 27, 2004 I know Nebula wasn't going to be the cheapest alternative at the time the domain was established but it was in such a good reputation (and to my knowledge it still is) I chose it anyway and have had no qualms about it. Later, the update to MySQL based new version of the script nearly doubled the expenses. But anyway this isn't about money as I have stated repeatedly. The prices you quote look very good indeed but hey, this is Finland where a glass of water would probably buy you a pint of beer elsewhere... (Neener, neener...) InvisionBoard is free. Version 2.0.0 is nearing its completion. I guess I'll be in touch with Rijicho later today and we'll discuss about whether to keep the domain on Nebula's server or whether it should be moved somewhere else. Stay tuned. All the details will be told to members well beforehand. There's more than three months before the change (if any) takes place. Thank you for understanding that this is not about me bitching to the world (although I might have given that impression; sorry about that) but simply a part of my efforts to salvage what there is to salvage from my life. Yeah, I know it sounds overly dramatic but my life truly is a mess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 531 Posted June 27, 2004 (edited) I dont have a problem with you expressing your frustrations here Kotoseiya but we also have our feelings and the right to express them in reply. Edited June 27, 2004 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted June 29, 2004 To advance in my talks with rijicho, I'd like to inquire whether someone is interested in running this forum on his/her personal computer or a leased one or whether there should be no changes in this regard and forum be kept on Nebula's server? Any thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodarvus 2 Posted July 5, 2004 Kotoseya, do you have any stats regarding: - The amount ot data (in GB) used for transfers per month? - The disk space required for the web pages - Space used by the MySQL databases (and possibly the growth rate of the DB, so one can plan in advance for the next few months/years) - Whether a specific version of MySQl is needed (for example, if the server is required to run MySQl 4.x) Thanks in advance (Showing respect...) Rodrigo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yangnomazuma 77 Posted July 5, 2004 Frankly folks, he has every right to come on here and say what he wants...it's still HIS forum until someone else takes the financial responsibility and ownership of it. So, go take an iron to you crumpled undergarments and either pony up to the ownership table (as Rijicho II apparently is...) or chill and let this all smooth itself out. It is woefully clear that there are folks aplenty (myself included) who would be willing to help out. That being said, the man just wants some peace love and understanding. Until he can quietly remove himself, please give him the respect he deserves for all he has provided us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 6, 2004 - The amount ot data (in GB) used for transfers per month?- The disk space required for the web pages - Space used by the MySQL databases (and possibly the growth rate of the DB, so one can plan in advance for the next few months/years) - Whether a specific version of MySQl is needed (for example, if the server is required to run MySQl 4.x) As I don't have any more access to the logs, I'm not completely sure about the figures but I think the average monthly traffic was about 3-4 GB (?). Every odd month more, every even less as can be expected. Disc space used must be under 100 MB, I think. Someone with Unix experience (Exil?) could confirm this. The same with the database. PHP 4.0.6 is required and 4.1 recommended. 3.22 required and 4.0.15 recommended are the versions with MySQL. Thank You for your interest, Rodarvus. That said, the current rijicho seems enthusiastic to go on operating the forum on this server it already resides. So unless someone is really, really determined to take over the forum onto another server, I suggest no changes are made technically after all. Thank You, Yangnomazuma. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 13, 2004 Tomorrow I'll pay for the last time for the domain to secure the forum's operation until the end of September and contact the administrators suggesting them Kaikitsune will replace me also relative to them. Unless, of course, someone will come up with something else that convinces me and Kaikitsune to do something else. If not, he'll go on. Anyone feeling gratitude, please direct it to him since without him things would've been a lot more complicated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryunokaze 0 Posted July 24, 2004 I am not surprised. The politics in this place suck. It's one shit fight after the other. People really think that this forum makes them something. What a great joke!!! The Sumo still goes on,though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 24, 2004 I am not surprised.The politics in this place suck. It's one shit fight after the other. People really think that this forum makes them something. What a great joke!!! The Sumo still goes on,though... I never knew there were politics here. Only few idiots thinking they know better how this place should be run against the great majority who never (and I mean never) had any problems with this forum. This forum makes people something. Those who contribute news and other meaningful stuff become valuable information spreaders for those who are less experienced in everything related to sumo. Those who simply lurk here become more informed. Most everyone benefits. I thought that was the very reason for existence of forums like these gathering together people sharing a common interest. You are involved in shit fights? Great, just don't start them with your bullshit. If that's too much to ask, go to hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted July 25, 2004 Ready for your next session on the couch then I imagine Yuichi? :-/ (Nodding yes...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesinofuji 11 Posted July 25, 2004 I am not surprised.The politics in this place suck. It's one shit fight after the other. People really think that this forum makes them something. What a great joke!!! The Sumo still goes on,though... (Sign of disapproval) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rijicho 6 Posted July 25, 2004 The politics in this place suck. Politics here is to eradicate people like you. Hardly ever seen anyone with as repulsive attitude as you have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites