Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

[Kintamayama 45,524]

The talk is of Hakuhou's elbow injury aggravated, forcing him to wear that supporter yesterday and hampering his arm movement. Probably injured it diving into sumotalk's pool.

[aderechelsea 125]

Today Kotoyuki was so certain for his loss against Tochinoshin, after the latter got a grip of the mawashi, that he had to give it a second effort to talk out of the dohyo. (Sigh...)

That was horrible ..... Truly horrible. (Hit the wall...)

[Akinomaki 40,774]

Seems it is dangerous to try to keep on going to win against Ichinojo with sheer power.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Akinomaki

[Asashosakari 19,653]

Day 15 schedule out already. (Lame, why even wait until now?) No surprises in the final three bouts, Takayasu goes against Takekaze.

[Gernobono 467]

unfortunate azumaryu

hurt after what i call "mongolsumo"

should have been an effortless yorikiri i guess

[Fay 1,677]

a bit off-topic... day 14.... does anyone see the cool fish helmet on the guy a few rows behind the west-side salt-throw box? I'm noticing it watching the juryo matches. I need one of those!

Olympia Ojisan changed to koi Ojisan, I wonder what the people behind him think of it

[Taigiin khuu 42]

unfortunate azumaryu

hurt after what i call "mongolsumo"

should have been an effortless yorikiri i guess

Azumaryu's injury looked really awful. He is really great to watch (assuming he survives the tachi-ai) and I wish him all the best. Hopefully its not as bad an injury as it seems to me.

If somebody has information to the diagnosis, I'd appreciate it if you could please post it.

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Day 15 schedule out already. (Lame, why even wait until now?) No surprises in the final three bouts, Takayasu goes against Takekaze.

It was funny watching NHK after the dohyo-iri when they put up the torikumi for the top-rankers, only Takayasu got a "?"

[Kintamayama 45,524]

unfortunate azumaryu

hurt after what i call "mongolsumo"

should have been an effortless yorikiri i guess

Azumaryu's injury looked really awful. He is really great to watch (assuming he survives the tachi-ai) and I wish him all the best. Hopefully its not as bad an injury as it seems to me.

If somebody has information to the diagnosis, I'd appreciate it if you could please post it.

Ambulance to the hospital. "We won't know until he is examined but the big guy (Ichinojou) landed on his knee so it seems pretty serious.." said his oyakata Tamanoi. We will know the true nature of the injury in a few hours.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Kintamayama

[Treblemaker 254]

I don't get it... The way to beat Hakuho is to keep moving, keep him off-balance, keep him away from you, and get him to turn so that he's not square to you, exposing an arm or a leg. Kakuryu had him on the move, and had definite momentum. Speed and agility are the only way to beat this guy. Kak somewhere along the line stopped moving allowed Hak to get a grip on the belt, and when he gets BOTH hands on the belt, it's pretty much game over. And so it was.

I'm not saying there was anything closely related to a script involved, but this is exactly the sort of thing that gets ST people (of which I am a member) insisting that the "help" was on. Why someone with Kak's mobility and strength (and ring smarts) stops moving and allows Hak to "get a grip", well, especially when the match was Kak's to win if he kept the momentum going.... I mean, look at Geeku, Goeido, Toyonoshima, to some degree Yoshikaze, even Rashi. These guys try to keep feet moving, forward motion, lower centre of gravity, the whole "forward-sumo" thing. Especially for the first two on that list, their results are speaking for themselves. Why do people who should know better insist on allowing Hak to go for the belt, knowing that he doesn't have the greatest mobility, and I don't know the statistics, but how many bouts has Hak lost after having control like that? Very few, I think.

And ALL wannabe "pusher-thrusters" should be sat down and shown videos of Chiyotaikai at his peak. Nobody does that right these days. If I'm not mistaken, (and frequently I am,) one should be in close to the opponent, and aim at the chest/face and PUSH off... What I'm seeing time and again are people at arm's-length trying to push the other guy. How can you do this successfully is you're already at arm's-length?? This turns into a bitch-fight.

And are there tacks, nails and logo blocks on the dohyo? So many guys going down as if they've stepped on something.

And there really should be a point system in Sumo matches. For example, if someone wins by a normal move, say, yorikiri, they get 1 point. If someone was in a losing position during the bout and they turn it around on the tawara and pull off a victory, they should get 2 points. If someone falls for a juicy henka, they should have 1 point deducted for stupidity and gullibleness. For getting an opponent tossed out of the dohyo and getting him to land directly ON a judge, they should get 3 points. 4 points for an old lady. 5 points for the guy in the fish hat. And for landing on, and spilling a salt box, they should receive a year's supply of Newfoundland cod.

The way I see it.

[Treblemaker 254]

a bit off-topic... day 14.... does anyone see the cool fish helmet on the guy a few rows behind the west-side salt-throw box? I'm noticing it watching the juryo matches. I need one of those!

Olympia Ojisan changed to koi Ojisan, I wonder what the people behind him think of it

He was just doing it for the halibut....

[bettega 431]

My predictions: 30th Yusho to Hakuho and Sekiwake to Osuna.

[lackmaker 438]

The first would seem more than possible but the second unlikely.

[bettega 431]

The first would seem more than possible but the second unlikely.

If... just if... Osuna wins Myogiryu, with his KK in the meatgrinder plus 2 kimboshi, osuna will be Sekiwake for sure. But (a big but) he must win Myogiryu, who seems to be in the zone and almost back to old form

[Asashosakari 19,653]

If... just if... Osuna wins Myogiryu, with his KK in the meatgrinder plus 2 kimboshi, osuna will be Sekiwake for sure

Takekaze 9-6 > Osunaarashi 8-7. Probably also Jokoryu 11-4 > Osunaarashi 8-7.

[bettega 431]

If... just if... Osuna wins Myogiryu, with his KK in the meatgrinder plus 2 kimboshi, osuna will be Sekiwake for sure

Takekaze 9-6 > Osunaarashi 8-7. Probably also Jokoryu 11-4 > Osunaarashi 8-7.

Even with the 2 kimboshi? For sure? :(

(in you, sire, we trust)

[Kintamayama 45,524]

I don't get it... The way to beat Hakuho is to keep moving, keep him off-balance, keep him away from you, and get him to turn so that he's not square to you, exposing an arm or a leg. Kakuryu had him on the move, and had definite momentum. Speed and agility are the only way to beat this guy. Kak somewhere along the line stopped moving allowed Hak to get a grip on the belt, and when he gets BOTH hands on the belt, it's pretty much game over. And so it was.

I'm not saying there was anything closely related to a script involved, but this is exactly the sort of thing that gets ST people (of which I am a member) insisting that the "help" was on. Why someone with Kak's mobility and strength (and ring smarts) stops moving and allows Hak to "get a grip", well, especially when the match was Kak's to win if he kept the momentum going...

Either we were watching two different bouts or you were watching the BBC version. At no point did Kakuryuu stop his momentum- he was stopped by Hakuhou. After the initial flurry Kakuryuu managed to get that morozashi, but there is one factor everyone seems to always forget-the stamina factor, which simply means these guys run out of steam after 15 seconds, always, unless you are Hakuhou. Kakuryuu was so winded after the bout that backstage he couldn't utter a single word to the TV announcer who tried to interview him. He was spent, if you know what I mean. The energy he needed for those first few seconds just sapped him out.

[sumotalk]And the money he got later in the basement, of course.[/sumotalk]

[Tsubame 368]

The talk is of Hakuhou's elbow injury aggravated, forcing him to wear that supporter yesterday and hampering his arm movement. Probably injured it diving into sumotalk's pool.

Better blame your elbow, that your age... ;-)

[Benevolance 2,511]

Heavy pockets weigh a man down, ya know!

[Asashosakari 19,653]

Heavy pockets weigh a man down, ya know!

Forget pockets, the only reason a mawashi has so many folds is to make it easier to hide all the yen notes.

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Forget pockets, the only reason a mawashi has so many folds is to make it easier to hide all the yen notes.

I'd rather see a mawashi able to hide all the folds of Akiseyama's girth...

[Asashosakari 19,653]

Forget pockets, the only reason a mawashi has so many folds is to make it easier to hide all the yen notes.

I'd rather see a mawashi able to hide all the folds of Akiseyama's girth...

I'm sorry, but the Konishiki model has been discontinued.

[ronnie 221]

The talk is of Hakuhou's elbow injury aggravated, forcing him to wear that supporter yesterday and hampering his arm movement. Probably injured it diving into sumotalk's pool.

That would be the same elbow he led with at the tachiai today then?

Speaking of elbows, was Giku disappointed to be denied the chance of doing a "Suarez" on Osu's?

Osu could have played for Brazil at the WC with that flying elbow!

[Gurowake 4,104]

If... just if... Osuna wins Myogiryu, with his KK in the meatgrinder plus 2 kimboshi, osuna will be Sekiwake for sure

Takekaze 9-6 > Osunaarashi 8-7. Probably also Jokoryu 11-4 > Osunaarashi 8-7.

Basically agreed, quoting for the reply for accuracy.

Keep in mind Takekaze ended up with practically the same tough schedule with one Kinboshi himself, only missing Kotoshogiku due to the latter facing Takayasu; 1 win more from one rank below facing a merely slightly weaker schedule somewhat in league with the rank difference generally gets the nod. Jokoryu's schedule was significantly weaker, but since he'd certainly get the nod if schedule wasn't a factor that would be a matter for the banzuke committee to argue about.

[Kintamayama 45,524]

The talk is of Hakuhou's elbow injury aggravated, forcing him to wear that supporter yesterday and hampering his arm movement. Probably injured it diving into sumotalk's pool.

That would be the same elbow he led with at the tachiai today then?

No, the same one. He didn't lead with it- He lifted it up meekly and Kakuryuu charged into it-nothing like that kaching-age he usually does.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Kintamayama