Hatsu 2014 Discussion - *contains spoilers

[Akinomaki 39,790]

Day 10, 7878 spectators

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20140122/sum14012205050002-n1.html

On day 12 Endo will be second fastest in his 6th basho to meet an ozeki, without top-knot, after Miyabiyama who had the same with 5 basho.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2014/01/22/kiji/K20140122007438560.html

[Vikanohara 171]

Day 11 lower divisions in a nutshell :

- no 7-0 Yusho in Jonokuchi as Yonamine lost to Daishoki from Jonidan

- bringing Tokkoriki and possibly also others back in the race, though not Azumanami as he lost to Tokkoriki

- apart from Daishoki, Fujiwara is also already at 6-0 in Jonidan, both started a year ago with 2-0 4-3 4-3

- other notable victories from Rikito, Komatsukasa & Yakabe (all 5-1)

- in Sandanme, Horikiri keeps cruising, as well as Kotodaigo & less expected also Kisenowaka

- among the 5-1 group are f.i. Daishoho, Chiyokiryu, Mitotsukasa, Aokishin & Sotenryu

- so no Keitenkai, Kaito, Tamao nor Dewanosato who are dropped to 4-2, Ikeru even at 3-3

- with today's loss, it's official that Kotokuni will drop out of Makushita for the 3rd time in 14 years

- Higoarashi won from Yamatofuji to stay the sole leader

- a couple of others at 5-1 : Amuru, Tosayutaka & Hitenryu

- while Baraki & Tochimaru keep looking for that first win of the basho

- in Juryo, Chiyomaru dropped a 2nd one, to Seiro who now could win 5 in a row

- while Sadanoumi won from Asasekiryu and Terunofuji from Azumaryu, so it's looking good for Sadanoumi

As for kimarite stats :

- Ikeru really is king of diversity, as today he won by ashitori, of which this is a nice example

- Ishiura managed one last september, while Tamao already lost twice by ashitori

- Tsugaruumi on the other hand recently won twice this way

- he's not the only one (f.i. also Oshio), but Uno has a 9-0 record, in what's still a short career and none since 2012 !

- Aragyoshi is at 7-0, though all way back in 2011 ! Furuichi & Kaiho didn't come past 5x.

- I seemed to have missed the one on day 9, but today we had another hikkake, what looks like this

- Aminishiki is on 3-1, Hamaminato & Hakunishiki on 4-0 & Sadanoumi on 5-0 (twice against Masunoyama) !

- Araumi also got stuck on 5 as well as Iitani, Ama/Harumafuji is on 5-1, and Tamaasuka even on 7-0, last in 2009.

- so once again, Takanoyama should be on top with his record of 9-0 !

[Akinomaki 39,790]

The painter who was in charge of the colouring of a b&w photo for the yusho portrait has retired from her work at 85 – from now on a colour photo will be used.

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20140122/sum14012217450003-n1.html

Edited February 6, 2014 by Akinomaki

[Mark.Buckton 68]

The painter who was in charge of the colouring of a b&w photo for the yusho portrait has retired from his work at 85 – from now on a colour photo will be used.

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20140122/sum14012217450003-n1.html

he called me before Christmas on this - more to come out mid-February ;) Very pleasant guy.

[ALAKTORN 346]

Aoiyama finally able to do his sumō again. Kakuryū still only 1 behind, Endō the only one left with 2 losses. I can’t believe Kyokutenhō beat Tochiōzan!

Kotoshōgiku seems safe, but Kotoōshū will need to win all his next bouts, I don’t really see him beating both Kisenosato and Kakuryū… (edit: my bad, he already lost to Kakuryū) if the torikumi were put so that Giku were before Ōsh then maybe with a Giku win Kisenosato might’ve felt generous if then Giku would return the favor… but seeing as he can’t know who’ll win between Giku and Endō I don’t think such a cospiracy is possible.

Shōhōzan shouldn’t be a problem for Kakuryū, going by their previous meetings (6–0). This could be Kakuryū’s best basho as an ōzeki, his current best being an 11-4 in 2012/09.

Edited January 22, 2014 by ALAKTORN

[Harry 67]

"hit by two pieces of diarrhea in the sky", what's the kimarite for that move? LOL

Translators are wonderful. From a Sanspo article re Shotenro's loose mawashi knot:

It is "unclean negative" turning is outside. It's Shoten wolf escaped the worst, but it is hit by two pieces of diarrhea in the sky when, losing record the last decision. Efforts was 58 seconds 5, but it was floated bitter smile, "head went blank and it is said in various ways from the circumference. Felt about. 30 minutes I felt a long time" he said.

まわしが外れれば「不浄負け」となる。最悪の事態を免れた翔天狼だが、最後は時天空の二枚げりをくらって、負け越しが決定。取組は５８秒５だったが「周りからいろいろ言われて頭が真っ白になった。長く感じた。３０分くらいに感じた」と苦笑いを浮かべた。

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[Kuroyama 715]

"hit by two pieces of diarrhea in the sky", what's the kimarite for that move? LOL

Shitatonoggin

[ALAKTORN 346]

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=11840&b=201401

Do we want to talk about this?

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

Kotoshōgiku seems safe, but Kotoōshū will need to win all his next bouts, I don’t really see him beating both Kisenosato and Kakuryū… (edit: my bad, he already lost to Kakuryū) if the torikumi were put so that Giku were before Ōsh then maybe with a Giku win Kisenosato might’ve felt generous if then Giku would return the favor…

One thing's for certain: Kisenosato vs. Kotooshu will be 100% gachinko. There's no place for favors in their age-long rivalry. Edited January 22, 2014 by Jakusotsu

[Gernobono 455]

however i expect some big pushing and pulling both tumbling around die dohyo.......100% pachinko ;-)

[krindel 671]

Kotooshu has zero chances to make it, I think. Only question is if he'll retire now, or wait until he drops further

[yorikiried by fate 1,989]

Granted, he looked fierce and determined today before his bout. In contrast to all the many years before, where he looked a bit insecure.

I give him 10%.

[shumitto 418]

When Kotooshu mounts the dohyo the first word that crosses my mind is 「おどおど」, but if he is OK with being a meatgrinder rikishi then he is not over yet.

[Benevolance 2,478]

I honestly think that Kakuryu will benefit most from the diminished Ozeki ranks. It always seemed to fall to Kakuryu in the last few days to play against the ozeki that needed wins. And since most tournaments are fairly decided by someone else on day 12 or 13, those last few days Kakuryu always found a way to lose. He is the best actor in the OBSC club, by far. And I don't think he's yok material. But maybe with those extra couple wins, he's finishing 11-4 or 12-3 and might finally get some kensho...

[Harry 67]

I would love to see Kakuryu go 14-1, Hak lose to Kise in the musubi no ichiban to also go 14-1, ketteisen win yusho for the new and unexpected Japanese yokozuna possibility Kakuryu... but I should really stop dreaming.

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

I would love to see Kakuryu go 14-1, Hak lose to Kise in the musubi no ichiban to also go 14-1, ketteisen win yusho for the new and unexpected Japanese yokozuna possibility Kakuryu... but I should really stop dreaming.

That must really have been some dream...

1) If Kakuryu goes 14-1 he must beat Hakuho, so if Hakuho loses to Kise it's an outright yusho for Kakuyru.

2) Kakuryu will always be of Mongolian shusshin even if he assumes Japanes citizenship which he hasn't (or?)

[Harry 67]

I would love to see Kakuryu go 14-1, Hak lose to Kise in the musubi no ichiban to also go 14-1, ketteisen win yusho for the new and unexpected Japanese yokozuna possibility Kakuryu... but I should really stop dreaming.

That must really have been some dream...

1) If Kakuryu goes 14-1 he must beat Hakuho, so if Hakuho loses to Kise it's an outright yusho for Kakuyru.

2) Kakuryu will always be of Mongolian shusshin even if he assumes Japanes citizenship which he hasn't (or?)

Math and memory challenged... lack of sleep my only excuse...

[Benevolance 2,478]

Hey, if you're going to dream, dream big!

Osunaarashi as the next Japanese yokozuna hope!

[ALAKTORN 346]

I forgot to say, Endō seems to have understood how to fight Gagamaru perfectly today, contrary to what Ōsunaarashi has been trying to do.

[Kuroyama 715]

Kotooshu has zero chances to make it, I think. Only question is if he'll retire now, or wait until he drops further

He'll wait until he has his Japanese citizenship and has secured a kabu.

[Morty 1,480]

I forgot to say, Endō seems to have understood how to fight Gagamaru perfectly today, contrary to what Ōsunaarashi has been trying to do.

He came in with a plan and executed it perfectly. That was beautiful to watch

[Mark.Buckton 68]

I would love to see Kakuryu go 14-1, Hak lose to Kise in the musubi no ichiban to also go 14-1, ketteisen win yusho for the new and unexpected Japanese yokozuna possibility Kakuryu... but I should really stop dreaming.

2) Kakuryu will always be of Mongolian shusshin even if he assumes Japanes citizenship which he hasn't (or?)

this depends on your understanding of 'shusshin' compared to the NSK use and general Japanese comprehension.

There are a number of examples, many prominent, that list one place when another location is in fact correct. Rikishi can, and have changed their 'shusshin' while active. And of course many, if not most expectant mothers in large cities return to their mother's home to give birth only to register birth later elsewhere. (they have 14 days in which to do so)

I think one major mistake in this regard is mixing the Japanese term in with English on the database you have and expecting it to be clear-cut.

As for Kakuryu, he will always be 'from' Mongolia in the English sense, but can change his 'shusshin' tomorrow if he so wishes.

[Mintofuji 18]

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=11840&b=201401

Do we want to talk about this?

Chiyoo just had his 12th yorikiri on the basho, a win this time. The only other occurrence of 12 yorikiri to start a basho that I can find in the database is Masutsuyoshi in May 2009 who was also 3-9, before finishing with 3 non-yorikiri.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=56&b=199905

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Today's head-to-head clinched it for me: Ichinojo is what people were hoping Tatsu would turn into three years ago.

[Asojima 2,870]

Masunoyama has to refine his henka technique. He left himself wide open for a Yoshikaze counterattack.