Hatsu 2014 Discussion - *contains spoilers

[Vikanohara 171]

Transposed to the world of chess, Kisenosato is the guy who tries to win against everyone by opening the game with a2-a4.

More like e2-e3, I would say.

And Takanoyama a knight move ? ;-)

[Masumasumasu 902]

As for your assumption that I like to eat pussy, that is very personal and inappropriate.

Whoever liked this post is uptight to say the least.

This is the 21st Century for Ha-Shem's sake. Are y'all orthodox? Do you observe Shabbat and keep the 613 Commandments?

Jesus Christ (insert picture of Mr. Slave here)!

Popularity is overrated. Especially on a 'sumo forum' that has at most one or two Japanese members.

[specialweek 2 134]

Kyokutenho is simple a classy veteran!

Nice move today hurling down Takarafuji using his opponents forward motion against him.

Kyokutenho fought in his 1729th bout of his long career and is now just 2 matches before he catches up with Kaio for 3rd rank of most career bouts on Wednesday.

Kyokai numbers differ. Today he equals Kaio according to their numbers.

[Asashosakari 16,989]

Kyokai numbers differ. Today he equals Kaio according to their numbers.

At which total - 1730 or 1731?

[specialweek 2 134]

Kyokai numbers differ. Today he equals Kaio according to their numbers.

At which total - 1730 or 1731?

Equals 1731 today

[Asashosakari 16,989]

Equals 1731 today

Thanks. Then either the Kyokai is confused or Tenho's 1993.01 fusenpai in the DB was a regular loss... Edited January 21, 2014 by Asashosakari

[specialweek 2 134]

Equals 1731 today

Thanks. Then either the Kyokai is confused or Tenho's 1993.01 fusenpai in the DB was a regular loss...

NHK has it as 1731 today as well.

[Akinomaki 35,671]

Day 9, 7624 spectators

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20140121/sum14012113300002-n1.html

[Akinomaki 35,671]

Mawashi-falling-off hansoku loss at the 2000 Natsu basho day 7 by sandanme Asanokiri against Chiyohakuho, after 83 years again: juryo Otokojima lost his against ms Tomonoyama on day 3 of the 1917 Natsu basho.
http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20140121/sum14012113300002-n3.html

[ALAKTORN 346]

Mawashi-falling-off hansoku loss at the 2000 Natsu basho day 7 by sandanme Asanokiri against Chiyohakuho, after 83 years again: juryo Otokojima lost his against ms Tomonoyama on day 3 of the 1917 Natsu basho.

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20140121/sum14012113300002-n3.html

And we can’t watch this. :( Or can we? Who lost, the mawashi guy, or the guy who undid the mawashi?

[Akinomaki 35,671]

Always the guy who loses the mawashi loses the bout - mawashi untying thus is a winning technique.

[Taigiin khuu 42]

Despite the (relative) inevitability of the Makuuchi yusho, at least the Juryo yusho race is still interesting.

I wanted to ask those more knowledgeable than me (i.e. all of you). What kind of importance is placed on the Juryo yusho by the NSK?

For example, if a rikishi is in contention for the Juryo yusho from a J1 - J3 position, do the match-ups given to that rikishi reflect fighting with lower ranks that are also in contention? Or do promotion/relegation match-ups (fighting higher ranks in makuuchi) take more importance?

I hope my question is clear... This situation could arise during this basho and I'm interested to know what to expect.

And I still hold hope for Kakuryo snatching this yusho or at least taking it to a play-off.

[ALAKTORN 346]

Always the guy who loses the mawashi loses the bout - mawashi untying thus is a winning technique.

So that’s what Tokitenkū has been trying to do!

[Mark.Buckton 68]

Always the guy who loses the mawashi loses the bout - mawashi untying thus is a winning technique.

So that’s what Tokitenkū has been trying to do!

win?

[Vikanohara 171]

2 pretty rare kimarite in Sandanme on day 10 :

- sokubiotoshi by Asanotosa to get to 5-0, which was the 446th entered in the sumo database

- koshikudake victory handed to Wakakeisho, which is entry number 354 in the sumo database

[kuroimori 1,634]

Sekitori milestones today:

500 wins for Kakuryu (in 849 career bouts)

300 losses for Sadanofuji (in 626 career bouts)

200 wins for Seiro (in 369 career bouts)

all those numbers are taken from the base of bases, NSK numbers may differ.

[Asojima 2,839]

Translators are wonderful. From a Sanspo article re Shotenro's loose mawashi knot:

It is "unclean negative" turning is outside. It's Shoten wolf escaped the worst, but it is hit by two pieces of diarrhea in the sky when, losing record the last decision. Efforts was 58 seconds 5, but it was floated bitter smile, "head went blank and it is said in various ways from the circumference. Felt about. 30 minutes I felt a long time" he said.

まわしが外れれば「不浄負け」となる。最悪の事態を免れた翔天狼だが、最後は時天空の二枚げりをくらって、負け越しが決定。取組は５８秒５だったが「周りからいろいろ言われて頭が真っ白になった。長く感じた。３０分くらいに感じた」と苦笑いを浮かべた。

Link (page 2)

Edited January 21, 2014 by Asojima

[Asashosakari 16,989]

Equals 1731 today

Thanks. Then either the Kyokai is confused or Tenho's 1993.01 fusenpai in the DB was a regular loss...

NHK has it as 1731 today as well.

Something is evidently different. Until now "bouts/appearances" stats in the press always counted only actual dohyo appearances, which means that fusenpai were not counted. However, in addition to crediting Kyokutenho with his 1731st today, Nikkan Sports also claims that he's 64 away from reaching Terao - who has 1795 wins and losses, but only 1792 appearances.

The problem here is that Kaio has 1731 appearances, but 1747 wins and losses. Any way you look at it, Kyokutenho did not catch up to him today. Somebody in the Kyokai's stats department suddenly doesn't seem to know what he's doing (new person in charge?), and the press aren't catching on to it either.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Asashosakari

[kuroimori 1,634]

Equals 1731 today

Thanks. Then either the Kyokai is confused or Tenho's 1993.01 fusenpai in the DB was a regular loss...

NHK has it as 1731 today as well.

Something is evidently different. Until now "bouts/appearances" stats in the press always counted only actual dohyo appearances, which means that fusenpai were not counted. However, in addition to crediting Kyokutenho with his 1731st today, Nikkan Sports also claims that he's 64 away from reaching Terao - who has 1795 wins and losses, but only 1792 appearances.

The problem here is that Kaio has 1731 appearances, but 1747 wins and losses. Any way you look at it, Kyokutenho did not catch up to him today.

Somebody in the Kyokai's stats department suddenly doesn't seem to know what he's doing (new person in charge?), and the press aren't catching on to it either.

Apparently the Kyokai is lacking a nifty database... (Whistling...)

[Asashosakari 16,989]

Apparently the Kyokai is lacking a nifty database... (Whistling...)

Heh. Actually I doubt that's the reason - until now they always got it right. In fact, it was because of press reports a few years ago (almost certainly using official NSK numbers) that we first figured out that "appearances" aren't simply counted as W+L. And that's when Doitsuyama added the appearances counter to the rikishi profiles.

It seems more like somebody can't read the available data correctly.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Asashosakari

[kuroimori 1,634]

Mawashi-falling-off hansoku loss at the 2000 Natsu basho day 7 by sandanme Asanokiri against Chiyohakuho, after 83 years again: juryo Otokojima lost his against ms Tomonoyama on day 3 of the 1917 Natsu basho.

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20140121/sum14012113300002-n3.html

I am just relieved to hear that no excessive consumption of gummy bears prior to the bout played a role here (Osh...) (Censored...)

[Mintofuji 18]

Apparently the Kyokai is lacking a nifty database... (Whistling...)

Heh. Actually I doubt that's the reason - until now they always got it right. In fact, it was because of press reports a few years ago (almost certainly using official NSK numbers) that we first figured out that "appearances" aren't simply counted as W+L. And that's when Doitsuyama added the appearances counter to the rikishi profiles.

It seems more like somebody can't read the available data correctly.

I think it's likely a press error. I've seen this issue in other sports where the definition of "appearance" varies, among the public at least. When Ryan Giggs reached 1000 professional football appearances, they included his 4 matches for Great Britain at the Olympics (where the eligibility criteria is slightly different). Yet when they showed the appearance counts of other players with over 1000 games, they didn't include Olympic appearances.

[Asashosakari 16,989]

Despite the (relative) inevitability of the Makuuchi yusho, at least the Juryo yusho race is still interesting.

I wanted to ask those more knowledgeable than me (i.e. all of you). What kind of importance is placed on the Juryo yusho by the NSK?

For example, if a rikishi is in contention for the Juryo yusho from a J1 - J3 position, do the match-ups given to that rikishi reflect fighting with lower ranks that are also in contention? Or do promotion/relegation match-ups (fighting higher ranks in makuuchi) take more importance?

Juryo rikishi with good records are usually only placed against makuuchi opponents as long as their promotion isn't assured yet. So if a rikishi from the top three ranks has performed well enough to be in the yusho race, he probably has enough wins for the promotion after Day 11 or 12 already, and for his remaining bouts he will usually face other yusho contenders - or sometimes also juryo rikishi with bad records who are fighting against demotion to makushita and thus make for very motivated opponents.

[Mark.Buckton 68]

without reading the stats in this particular case, the NSK have three people managing their numbers, personnel records etc. All open to the public if you ask.

There are MANY differences to the database linked at the top of SF in methods of counting, reading of (kanji) names, even the existence of several rikishi recorded on 'our' database but not recorded by the NSK.

[Ajisen 15]

Thanks Asojima!

"floated bitter smile, head went blank" is fabulous. Will have "half a haiku" T-shirt made!