Uriahnate 1 Posted January 11, 2014 Any interest in throwing the money together in a hat, cutting the videos and putting them online for free? Not legal but legit. Araibira on youtube has purchased the full coverage stream with money from donations he received. He intends to put up the content . It isn't up yet, but it sounds like it's more of a hasstle to convert it to youtube clips than before . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted January 11, 2014 I can activate NHK (TVJapan) for 2 weeks on my cable system for about $15, and record 15 days of makuuchi on DVD, but I probably won't on general principles. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumodrax 8 Posted January 11, 2014 Hopeful the regular Streaming is free...and i agre with Asojima and Fay: Let's keep our powder dry for now. We soon know how things are or will be...Thanx *!* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 675 Posted January 11, 2014 most Japanese managers don`t give a flying f... about anywhere outside Japan. Only if it really hurts their wallets, they are forced to care. I can't see the hardcore Japanese fans paying this price either, and I'm sure they'll be just as annoyed as we are. the difference is that the japanese fans still have nhk And basically they are being told "You can watch Hakuho vs Kisenosato for free, but if you want to watch Urotora perfect his kaiju fighting skills, you'll have to pay". I wouldn't take it that well if I was a hardcore Japanese fan, I would think that my interest in the lower divisions should be appreciated by the NSK, not exploited. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pandaazuma 1,310 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) This really is a disgrace. At the very least, someone with contact with rikishi or Kyokai people should make their displeasure strongly felt...and actively ask those contacts to tell people higher up the chain that thousands (more likely hundreds, but thousands sounds better) of long-time, faithful foreign sumo fans will suddenly have all their access to sumo cut off by a bunch of robbers. $120 a basho is some kind of sick joke. If Araibara or whoever is able to get through this crap and provide even a delayed service, my humble suggestion is that we all need to make sure he is well rewarded for it, getting together to pay for his access at the very least. I live in Japan and can watch it live, but am nevertheless outraged by this and will happily contribute some cash. For archive purposes too it's important to keep access alive. Let's hope there's been a misunderstanding...but it's not looking good. Edited January 11, 2014 by Pandaazuma 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,515 Posted January 11, 2014 Those current pay-for rates are terrible; that's 50% of the daily admission price. I can get a legit cable channel subscription for less. A local station here does JSTV a la carte for $18 a month. But I gather they'll only do the top division broadcasts, if JSTV is just relaying the NHK broadcast. And I know this sucks, but for all the people complaining about not paying on principle or whatever, it's not like NSK owes any of us anything, guys. They've been hosting a free ride for us for almost three years. And it's been a pretty good ride. The current pricing scheme is terrible, but I doubt they're factoring the wishes of a small group of loyal foreigners into their proposed pricing models. (Laughing...) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted January 11, 2014 Hell, I am even considering to get myself another JSTV trial subscription to at least get the NHK Makuuchi broadcast. please consider that the broadcast ist delayed by one hour in europe on non-daylighttime-basho....a really clever move of nhk that was discussed months ago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Hell, I am even considering to get myself another JSTV trial subscription to at least get the NHK Makuuchi broadcast. please consider that the broadcast ist delayed by one hour in europe on non-daylighttime-basho....a really clever move of nhk that was discussed months ago Right, I remember there was a delay when I tried JSTV once.It was tough to not watch the live scores on the net; so I returned to the free uncommented stream. It's a different situation now. Edited January 11, 2014 by kuroimori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted January 11, 2014 And I know this sucks, but for all the people complaining about not paying on principle or whatever, it's not like NSK owes any of us anything, guys. They've been hosting a free ride for us for almost three years. And it's been a pretty good ride. The current pricing scheme is terrible, but I doubt they're factoring the wishes of a small group of loyal foreigners into their proposed pricing models. (Laughing...)I swore off NHK during the yaocho debacle, and I tend to hold a grudge for a long time. My interest in sumo, in general, and the makuuchi division, in particular, has been seriously waning of late. This move has put a further squelch on my interest. I agree with Asashosakari that a reasonable yearly subscription would be acceptable to me, but this borders on extortion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torabayama 51 Posted January 11, 2014 Very unfortunate news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulch 3 Posted January 11, 2014 There will be some revenue now compared to zero when the stream was free. Minus whatever they pay Ustream for the service, and that's likely to be more than it was for the free version as paying viewers are going to expect to get everything they've paid for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,748 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Minus whatever they pay Ustream for the service, and that's likely to be more than it was for the free version as paying viewers are going to expect to get everything they've paid for. Straight 50/50 split: What is the revenue split? The broadcaster receives 50% of total ticket sales revenue. Ustream covers all transaction and streaming costs. Actually, that makes me think the NSK isn't terribly concerned about the revenues attained here; they might have just wanted to reduce the money they have to pay Ustream (previously something, now nothing). Edited January 11, 2014 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted January 11, 2014 Well. I for one would much rather donate to araibara than pay for a service I might or might not have time to watch anyway. What a shame. They may change their minds if viewing numbers drop sufficiently, unless they're willing to dispense with the stream entirely. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachiyama 119 Posted January 11, 2014 a ticket can only be used on one computer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted January 11, 2014 Actually, that makes me think the NSK isn't terribly concerned about the revenues attained here; they might have just wanted to reduce the money they have to pay Ustream (previously something, now nothing).That could be, but why charge such a ridiculous amount then? This is really exorbitant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,677 Posted January 11, 2014 I don't see NHK agreeing to this. I don't see anyone willing to pay this price-does not make any sense on any level. An NHk satellite subscription costs 20$ I don't see anyone willing to pay at all for a low-def no commentary one and a half camera broadcast. I don't see anyone living in Japan affected by this, as everyone has NHK. This is aimed totally at the overseas audience of Japanese expats and gaijin fans. This was planned by a foreigner living in Japan who convinced someone else that there is a lucrative foreign fan market out there. We have always had a feed' terrible as it was at first. This is unbelievable. At least I'll have more free time.. I still hope in the next 15 minutes this will turn out to be nothing and I will be able to delete this, but I fear tomorrow, I'll be cryin'. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumodrax 8 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I agree with Kuroyama and Kintamayama!!...Why pay for not a good streaming anyway then?? Not say that the stream is good? Not at all!! if this is true, then it is a disaster for us all here :-/ Edited January 11, 2014 by sumodrax Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 11, 2014 a ticket can only be used on one computer? really? it keeps getting better and better... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted January 11, 2014 Actually, that makes me think the NSK isn't terribly concerned about the revenues attained here; they might have just wanted to reduce the money they have to pay Ustream (previously something, now nothing).The Ustream cost for broadcasting a commercial-laden program is close to nothing. Hundreds of individuals do it for general interest purposes which have no hope of financial gain. It is simply a fun thing for them to do and a means of communicating with people of a common interest. The only significant cost to the NSK was the cost of the camera operations and the graphics for the matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,748 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I don't see anyone living in Japan affected by this, as everyone has NHK.I do recall a bunch of articles about irate pensioners when BS2 stopped broadcasting the lower divisions. (This sounds like a joke, but it's not.) Seemed that watching the sumo together was a pretty popular thing to do in some retirement homes, especially out in the sticks; I suspect some/many of them ended up setting up the web stream coverage (which directly replaced the BS2 broadcasts) to go to their TVs instead. Edited January 11, 2014 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,748 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) The Ustream cost for broadcasting a commercial-laden program is close to nothing. Hundreds of individuals do it for general interest purposes which have no hope of financial gain. It is simply a fun thing for them to do and a means of communicating with people of a common interest. The only significant cost to the NSK was the cost of the camera operations and the graphics for the matches.Ah, right, I forgot about the commercials. Well, the new pay stream will clearly be commercial-free...is it possible they received so many complaints about the ads that they've switched to the only other option that doesn't cost them anything? Well, the old Ustream channel hasn't gone online but the new ones have, so we can probably stop hoping that the free one will remain. Edited January 11, 2014 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachiyama 119 Posted January 11, 2014 a ticket can only be used on one computer? really? it keeps getting better and better... This is a question ... if a ticket could be used by more than one IP, you could part it with several people. Don't have to watch it live evey day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted January 11, 2014 can someone sitting in Japan confirm, that it`s still possible to watch the stream via the page www.sumo.or.jp/index please ? cause then it`s all about the IP-Adress thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torabayama 51 Posted January 11, 2014 Well Araibira's videos are already being put up on YouTube so at least we have that for now. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted January 11, 2014 Ok, so I think we can all officially agree that our powder is now wet. Which is too bad. I echo ALL of the sentiments as listed above, and the tone of my original post, all the way up there, stands as written. Screw'em. Just on principle alone. At least I won't have to get up at 3:00 a.m. to catch the action anymore. ............................................... So, waddya want to do now? Anyone bring cards? Monopoly? Scrabble? Netflix? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
