Goeido's Ozeki Run

[bettega 388]

Hi all!

Is it possible do Goiedo get his Ozeki run right after this basho? What it would that? Another Jun-Yusho? Or that 8-7 in Nagoya will cost him another double-digits basho after this one (if he gets double-digits now and maybe a Jun-Yusho?)

Baruto gets there with a 9-6 and 2 Jun-Yusho. Kaio gets there with and 8-7 and one Yusho in three basho.

[Andreas21 172]

I assume (Jun)-Yusho status does not count much.

8-7 is normally the deal-breaker, but circumstances may change this, such as 34 wins in three basho. Which would be Yusho anyway.

[Benevolance 2,349]

Baruto missed out on his first Ozeki run despite getting the requisite 33 wins because of an 9-6, even with a jun-yusho in the tournament that made 33 wins. But he went 14-1 in the next tournament to make it definitive with 35 wins in 3 tournaments.

Edit: That sounds a little unclear, because Baruto didn't have to start the ozeki run from scratch. But he had to extend his ozeki run to 4 tournaments, nail a 14-1 and a second jun-yusho in the mix in order to get his ozeki. I don't think Goueido is going to have to work quite as hard.

Edited November 12, 2013 by Benevolance

[bettega 388]

Reading, trying and querying - Sumo Reference is awesome (if someday it needs Linux hosting, call me) - I think that the Goeido`s run will go for another basho.

Only, if only, he could get a 14-1 or 15-0 Yusho he could promoted right this basho

(right?)

Edited November 12, 2013 by bettega

[shumitto 417]

13 would do it, if the promotion committee is in a good mood.

[Asojima 2,844]

Six of his 9 sekiwake basho have been 7 or 8 wins, and nothing yet over 11 wins. Fourteen or 15 wins might get it for him this time. Otherwise, he will have to show more double digit consistency.

[Benevolance 2,349]

The day that Goeido can get a 14-1 or 15-0 result at sekiwake is the day his sumo becomes interesting to watch.

[Masumasumasu 902]

The day that Goeido can get a 14-1 or 15-0 result at sekiwake is the day his sumo becomes interesting to watch.

I was plenty interested when he beat the Hak last time around.

[krindel 671]

With only two ozeki remaining, if he can't make 11 wins this time around to at least keep the run going strong, he's not very likely to ever make it

[ronnie 221]

Am I the only one who thinks that ex-Kotomitsuki's legal team will go absolutely ape if Goeido makes it to Ozeki?

[Doitsuyama 1,157]

Am I the only one who thinks that ex-Kotomitsuki's legal team will go absolutely ape if Goeido makes it to Ozeki?

Why that? Goeido has gotten much stronger the last years, a promotion wouldn't be too surprising really. He's not there yet but at 27 years he could be making the next step right now, who knows. And hey, Kotomitsuki shouldn't say much when it comes to Goeido as he is a whopping 5-6 against him and that was against a 21 to 23 years old Goeido not the current one.

[Pandaazuma 1,287]

I'll bet Ronnie wasn't gambling on that answer! ;-)

[krindel 671]

Am I the only one who thinks that ex-Kotomitsuki's legal team will go absolutely ape if Goeido makes it to Ozeki?

I am guessing you mean because they were both involved in the gambling scandal? The difference is, of course that Kotomitsuki was a 34-year-old active Ozeki at the time of the scandal, while Goeido a 24 year old mid-maegashira.

Goeido making it to Ozeki in the future will not change the reasons for the difference in approach back then (i.e. Kotomitsuki gets no leniency cause he should have known better than a younger, and much less prominent rikishi)

[ronnie 221]

My post had nothing to do with whether or not that Goeido should be promoted to Ozeki, (I hope he does). I merely think that Kotomitsuki's lawyers would try to take advantage of the situation.

As an aside, I think that being 23/24 years of age is plenty old enough to know when you're breaking the law.

[Tsubame 332]

The performance of Goeido reminds me of that from Wakanosato back in ~2004. Quite talented, nice to watch, but in the end not really a candidate for the ozeki rank.

[bettega 388]

Without Kotooshu and Kotoshogiku out, Goeido has a good chance to make a not o hard 11-4 or even 12-3, an in the next basho tryingto make another 11-4 to Ozeki

Chances are better than never to him

[Andreas21 172]

It is not only Ozeki's injuries that pave his path to the new rank.

3 of his 4 wins up to now are against Rikishi he had a quite negative head-to-head record. So that is a clear sign he's done his homework and heading north.

He's now 10 basho at Sekiwake, and quite consistently lately. I don't think they will make it harder for him than for Kisenosato, 32 wins three basho. If he keeps his level and doesn't get injured, he will not even need that much concession to become Ozeki in January.

[bettega 388]

Yes, true, you`re right - one should become Ozeki by himself, not by the absences or injuries from others.

[Tsubame 332]

Yes, true, you`re right - one should become Ozeki by himself, not by the absences or injuries from others.

But that made it all easier. Just remember Asashoryus Tsuna-run: back there, there was no really competion for him left in the bashos and he got two quite easy 14-1 Yushos. But in the end he deserved the rank, regardless of the circumstances of his promotion.

So why should it be different for Goeido?! If he deserves the rank, than I don't care about the how.

[rzombie1988 157]

If Goeido is ever going to make Ozeki, now would be a great time to make it happen with both Koto's out and Kisenosato taking an early loss. I think Kotooshu is also on his last legs and will retire in 2014, so the oppurtunity is there. I could see him getting 11 this time and perhaps 11 next time as well to do it.

[bettega 388]

Everybody agrees that Goeido is not Ozeki material, right? :)

[yorikiried by fate 1,842]

Wouldn't know about the others, but I do.

Then again, conjure away the two Ys and you end up with Kisenosato at the top and Goeido on second tier.

Relativity et al.

Edited November 22, 2013 by yorikiried by fate

[krindel 671]

He's not, I think. He might still make it to Ozeki if a favorable wind blows his way (after all, it only takes a couple of good basho in a row), but his mentality is too shaky.

And while he is still better than those below him in rank, the years have passed and he never took that next step, while people his age have been becoming Ozeki all around him, so its very likely that if he doesn't take it real soon, he'll be overtaken by the next generation of hopefuls.

Edited November 22, 2013 by krindel